962. - Chris & Jason

[00:00] All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week. Jason, does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. [00:30] on YouTube. At the top, it's just us. How long gone? Back for another fucking podcast. Am I right, them jeans? You're right, Chris. They're not my ads. They're our ads. And we have to do them [01:00] profit from them together. I'm just over here. Let's see, Thursday morning, the clouds of burning lithium ion batteries have begun to sort of clear a path. We have a heat wave going on. [01:15] There's like seven earthquakes that happened yesterday. There's supposed to be an alien was supposed to come at the Brazil game yesterday. I don't think it happened. I saw that. I saw that, and I was waiting with bated breath, but I haven't seen an alien appear yet. No. I mean, I saw some alien-type creatures this morning at 6 a.m. at Newark, but I don't think they were from another planet. You know what I mean? I don't think. You were at Newark at 6 a.m. today? Hell yeah, big bro. Come on. You know how I do it.

[01:45] out. Okay, I didn't know what. So where are you now? I'm in ATL, baby. ATL, ho. So you went down just to just a bull with your fam? Yeah, I'm trying to work. I'm trying to lock in. I got some quiet. Just a politic with you. Oh, this is, are we on a big, this is Chris's writer's retreat. Now don't go in his room. No, I'll just leave the biscuits at the door, sweetheart. You can get him when you're hungry. Okay, so she's going to slide in the Tate's cookies underneath the door [02:15] she's not a cook by any means, but when it comes to dessert, she's kind of sick with it. That's the, you've had a pastry. You've had a brookie. Yeah, of course. I've had some of her work in the cluster space. What she can do with a white chocolate. [02:30] And that's what they call me when I'm home. So it works out perfectly. That's actually named after me. That's what they yell at you as you drive by. Those people on ATVs yell at you. Yeah. When I got my old school out, they called me white chocolate on Sundays. You're probably going to, what's the name of the vegan? [02:45] The vegan restaurant? Oh, Slutty Vegan, R.I.P. I think she's... When you take the old school to Slutty Vegan, everyone's yelling white chocolate at you. Unfortunately, I think Slutty Vegan was, much like Kiki's, has been repossessed by the United States government for lack of... No, no, no. I heard that Slutty Vegan is actually pivoting to AI. And their stock is... [03:04] crazy right now. Surging. Her memoir sold out. The stock is surging every which way. Yeah, we didn't even talk about Kiki's. I mean, but you know why, Jason? You know why, Jason? Because it's a classic who cares situation. I think I've been there once in my life, maybe twice. And I was, you know, it's one of those things that this happens to you too. It happens to all of us, where you go somewhere that you've heard a lot about and you sit down and you're just like,

[03:34] is cranking. It's just this ain't you just know this ain't for me. You need more than fried zucchini and air conditioning to impress you. Honestly, no. That's the thing. Usually, no. That is all I need yet they were unable to deliver that for whatever reason. It's just an audience issue. I know I sound like a social media manager but it's an audience engagement issue. I think it's just not for us. We're too old, I think. It's really what it is. [04:04] in our mind we're like we want to go to a place it's comfortable you know hot crowd food's good enough get a drink you know people treat people can talk like human beings you know we're willing to handle some long jorts if we have to yeah or whatever's going on but it just says yeah i mean so apparently i mean it's just interesting why so many people care about the drama related to a restaurant maybe people are just endlessly fascinated by it but like it happens in la [04:34] just like did you hear that this bowling alley tater tot pop-up is having like issues with like the unionization of wage theft inequality no shit restaurants are houses of cards well i mean i mean one part is no shit but then another part is like [04:51] Who gives a flying fuck? You know, no one's like, dude, the hardware store is having wage theft. No, it's true. Any type of any brick and mortar business, nobody really cares. But when even when a restaurant goes from like a B to a C grade or whatever, you know, we got there's a there's a restaurant.

[05:08] in Dudley's Market, which is, I guess, an Australian place that people go to, but... You're talking about in New York. You're talking about Dudley's. No, no, no. There's one in L.A. [05:18] I don't know where it is. Okay. It might be a different, it could be a different Dudley's. I don't know if it's the same corporation. We don't know those facts. We don't know those facts, but I'm sure I could pull it up. Maybe it was Dudley. Okay. It's okay. Yeah. It was Dudley market in Venice. The word Dudley is so Australian that it could, it could pop up any which way. There's no, that was the name of my professor in religious studies at Perth U. [05:42] So Dudley's market was, Dudley's market was under duress. [05:48] you know, farm to table. This is pole caught tuna. You know, we're not doing any, this is all organic grass fed, you know, blah, blah, blah. I heard about, I caught it. I caught something with a pole too. You know what I'm saying? I caught my wife with this, this here pole right here. Short and stubby, but you know, it does the job. Luckily the water levels were low. [06:18] Fine issue. Okay, so Dudley Market in Venice, they were popped by multiple violations for basically buying fish from dudes who went out into the ocean. [06:31] caught some fish fresh out of the ocean and took it to the restaurant and said, here's, you know, the freshest fish. You know, I think that happens everywhere all over the world. You know, you're in Venice or you're in Italy, you know, you're in Greece, all these places. You see some old guy on some fucking boat that's running on a horse, you know, like a lawnmower engine, shit everywhere. Some nasty motherfucker is smoking three cigarettes, cutting the fish up. And you're like,

[07:01] all these violations, but all it is to say [07:03] you know you if you google dudley fishing there's just like page after page la times new york times sf really all sf gate la mag everyone's like damn dude and just because it's a restaurant but if somebody was like oh this you know mohawk general imported some fucking linen that we forgot to tax at the wharf yeah at the port of miami or whatever like who it's not even a news story but someone [07:33] want to blame how we care i don't want to blame half our listeners but this sounds like a food media issue um and the i mean i will say in the in the world of news i think openings and closings like the action of that really exists in the restaurant world more than any other industry i would say that we sort of you know like grocery stores aren't opening and closing once a week in every neighborhood you've ever been to if that makes sense like i think i think that sort of [08:03] You know what I mean? So you want you got these problematic chefs. It's I don't know why I've never understood why dining out is sexy, even though I love it so much. But it is something that appeals to people who aren't even I mean, before I lived in L.A., I knew about restaurants in L.A. because I read, you know what I mean? It's like it's sexy. It is. I mean, or at least it's sexier than many things we have to care about. But I mean, I don't I don't think that like the fact that every restaurant. [08:28] as you said, you know, girl in jorts and a fucking cuckoo intimates tank top with the ballet flats was taking a picture of the seized sign at Kiki's does, does feel a little extreme, like for, as far as behavior. I was, I was staying across the street at the nine orchard. Shout out to my nine Oh fam. And the gym, the window from the gym looks straight down into that wall with the seized sign. And as I'm, you know, working on my little doing my things,

[08:58] down and every time i looked down somebody on a city bike walking news casters film you know it was it was non-stop everyone had to go and be like damn this restaurant has a sign on it it's it's not even a restaurant that everyone like makes fun of and talks shit on for like being basic as well it's cool that he it's it's cool that the guy who's who's in trouble escaped to [09:28] they've already fled to Greece they're on the beach they're on the beach legs kicked up ponytail and a top knot they're fucking sipping on a they're still spending old feta money over there that money that Manhattan money spends a lot longer over there on the island of Lesbos he sold enough zucchini chips to chicks that don't eat to live for at least five years on an island in Greece travel from village to village [09:58] Telling these grandmas how to cut up a zucchini and fry it for 20x profit. Look, I'm only going to tell you about the food. I'm not going to tell you how to sleep with 25-year-olds that just graduated from FIT. But there's more to these stories, Nona. Well, RIP to Kiki's and all the other restaurants. I get it served a lot, a guy who like... [10:19] covers this in LA on... [10:21] Instagram and every video has he includes this sort of meme thing [10:26] uh clip from the uh hannah montana show before he tells you which which which restaurant is closing oh i know what you're talking about he only seems to focus on west hollywood restaurants that i've never heard of so it doesn't really yeah but if you if you but i've seen it if you see him if you pay attention to him you realize why he's covering west hollywood you know what i mean it's kind of i have no idea what you mean chris well please expand it just feels like his stomping ground you know it feels like he's been a resident for quite a while both at night and during the day

[10:56] Yeah, it's his jurisdiction. Oh. Got him. Christopher. Okay, so he's a gay guy talking about gay restaurants. Is that what we're saying? Is that what we're going to minimize him down to? I guess the only one I'd ever heard of was Connie and Ted's. That was literally the only one I've ever heard of. Or what was that place you went for a little while that was really expensive and closed very quickly that had the table side? Stella West Hollywood. Bro, that place was open for six months. I know, I know. [11:26] Oppenheimer group fucking dumbasses. Hey, we're not going to do that here. Not on how long gone. Just the dumbest people you could ever imagine. And this poor chef is like, yeah, I've imported this grain from a Nona. And everyone's like, [11:43] Can I have another espresso martini? Yeah. Do you guys have pizza? Yeah, I know. If you choose that location, obviously it's a high net worth zip code. So in that sense, it might work. Throw a sexy fish in there. Don't try to put a polygonal peg into a square hole. Wow. I didn't know you knew that. Well, because I was reading about yesterday in the food newsletter we love to talk about, Caper. [12:13] a dive bar story you know like how are we gonna live without dive bars man you know and i'm just sort of like are we losing our dive bars i think we're at risk of losing our dive bars which obviously i love that i mean i'm in atlanta this is i used to eat at dive bars fucking four nights a week like i i love i love the institution back when they before they call it gay ass third space exactly when they used to have jukeboxes that weren't electronic you know that weren't you

[12:43] and all, you know, put on your bebop jam. Back when a vodka cranberry meant something before Olivia Rodrigo ruined it. Go down to the sock hop, put on some chubby checker, and have a slice of apple pie with your dame. But I'm just reading this and I'm like, [12:59] Dude, like, I just at a certain point, I think it's like natural selection is part of our capitalist society for better or worse. It's like some of these places will survive because they're icons and people love them and some of them are going to close. And like everything else, I don't know if we need this sort of blanket in memoriam when it's like, I don't know, man. You can find a dive bar in most cities you go to. Maybe they're less and less. But I think that means because most people don't want them. Yeah, most people don't want them. [13:29] The empire of alcohol and cheap drinking and hanging out at a bar has fallen. And now we are inside of our digital pod, one bedroom apartments with our Philips Skylight [13:41] on the ceiling to simulate natural light. And, you know, alcohol is a poison when I could be going to a peptide [13:49] Virgin mixer in San Francisco and hang out in the backyard and drink some Kirkland sodas and talk, you know, take photos of a jar. Nobody needs a bar anymore. Nobody can afford alcohol anymore. A dive bar, you used to go and get a $5 Miller High Life or whatever and... [14:07] You know, $5 bill in the jukebox and three cigarettes and you and your friends have a great, amazing night. And now that costs $148 and we can't be doing that on a Tuesday. Once the price of Jager bombs went up, that's when I left. I was like, you know what? I can't deal with this inflation. But I mean, obviously dive bars are, you know, I feel the most like I want to do cocaine when I walk in one, which means they are the best places, if that makes sense.

[14:37] places to drink, do drugs, and of course, smoke cigarettes. And you're right. If people aren't doing that as much anymore, then the best places for it might suffer. Yeah, but I think you're right. I think there were just too many dive bars because a bar used to be a really good business, very high profit margins. You got to deal with some bullshit, but if you're okay with that, you can make some good money. And now there's just not enough people. Even weed dispensaries are closing because there were just too many of them. We're just like, bro, I like weed, [15:07] weed stores than 7-Elevens. It's funny that there's a generation of people that don't understand the charm and would rather go into a direct-to-consumer vibe cocktail lounge that feels very soft around the edges. If you're going to go drink, at this point, I don't know where people go. In New York, I think they've ear in and walkers. All the old bars downtown are busier [15:37] They're busier than ever. Walkers is fucking wall-to-wall with cool guys. You know what I mean? It's like the new Finnelli, which is like, that's cool, but you can only have a couple of those. And that's in New York City, for Christ's sake. That's the number one place to do this kind of activity. Yeah, I don't know what's going on over in Tulsa. Or maybe they're like, yeah, we go to the bar every day. That's all they have. That's what I mean. If you go to the Midwest, you go to Texas or whatever. I mean, Atlanta still has—all the places I used to go are still open, surprisingly enough.

[16:07] bit of a major city issue because if you go to Detroit in the winter I'm sure there are plenty of dive bars to drink I guess I mean and you would think that some of these New Yorkers would romanticize those times you know 70s 80s 90s we see on film and television of like [16:21] Every apartment building had a dive bar and a laundromat and a bodega on the ground floor. The bartender at the dive bar, he would get your mail and he would hold your keys when you go out of town. And it was beyond a third space. It was like... [16:41] a part of your actual home and are you in existence you're describing the hit television show cheers is what it sounds like to me no there's many such cases it's a very new of course of course um [16:52] But nowadays people are, you know, you go into a place and they're like, what's the Wi-Fi password? [16:59] what are your upload speeds and they're like what the fuck are you talking about you're supposed you you come here to not wi-fi [17:07] This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian, stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions, but how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points [17:37] stuff than we do that's just a guess the guardian is not some billionaire owned platform they're not afraid to say what they want to say brother yeah rupert ain't sniffing around in in what uh journalists kai wright and carter sherman are up to over there at uh stateside but yeah listen wherever you get your podcast you can watch on youtube it's three times a week and and who couldn't use more news you know especially especially when it's

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[19:32] H-E-L-P.com slash howlong. All right. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Poshmark. Jason, I know you've used the site before. It's a really easy way to shop, and it's one of my favorite fashion resale marketplaces. I don't know if you're into brand names. I can be, depending on how I'm feeling, but you want to talk Levi's, you want to talk Blundstone, or you want to talk Chrome, you want to talk Prada, you want to talk Mew Mew, you want to talk Bottega. We got it all at Poshmark, [20:02] look for less, as they say. Yeah, I'm a big hunter. I like going on eBay and digging around, and sometimes stuff isn't there. Same thing with Carol and my wife. She's a wardrobe stylist, and she's like, you know, the real shit's on Poshmark. For the real heads that know, you can find those, you know, little grail pieces that you can't find anywhere else, some kind of archival stuff going on, but also, you know, the day-to-day regular kind of staples, [20:32] Poshmark. And when you're ready for a closet refresh, you can earn some real money selling the pieces that you're ready to part with. Reaching more than 80 million users on the platform. I like that sound of that, Chris. Is there something that you're trying to track down on Poshmark specifically? I'm actually in the market for a new dop kit, a secondary dop kit. Backup dop. Probably LV to keep with my suite of products or maybe a Prada nylon

[21:02] Okay. [21:04] I feel good about it, but because new deals and styles are listed every single day, so do not wait. Download the Poshmark app today. Use code HOWLONG when you sign up and get $10 off your first purchase. [21:18] I think a big part of it also is probably the cashless movement. Because obviously you're making much less money and it just feels like if I walk into a place like that, I'm trying to pay with cash instinctually. Whereas a 26-year-old is not ever trying to pay with cash instinctually, unless they're buying, even if they're buying drugs, they're transferring Bitcoin on Signal or whatever. Yeah. And dive bars used to go there to cash your checks. Oh, I've cashed a check. Dive [21:48] I used to cash my check at the liquor store in Little Five Points and go right to the bar with that. I mean, that was the ultimate. You put 40 aside for Coke. Boy, you sound like a damn John Cougar Mellencamp song right now. I mean, dude, I had my sleeves rolled up. My boots were dirty. I put the acoustic down. I put the mark down. I would do the same thing. I would get my little check from Anthropologie. I would go to the liquor store across the street from the Lab Anti-Mall in Costa Mesa. [22:18] $471 and then you know [22:22] whatever 80 of that goes to parliament lights a rack of fucking bodding tins you know a bottle of something hard and then you know whatever is going in on the bag you know i need an e-pill that's it's literally there was no luckily rent was so cheap that that was the third or fourth thing on the list you know that you're worried about paying you would pay your rent in cash i've paid rent in cash many many times yeah it's it's interesting it's an interesting thing to lament but

[22:52] that people want to write 20,000 words about. It's sort of like, this is kind of common sense as to where the world has been headed. Yeah. But... [23:00] I'll pour one out. Even the drug dealers don't want cash anymore. They're like, it's like a whole thing. Can you just sell me? It's so crazy. It's so crazy to me that you would buy drugs on Venmo. It feels wrong. I mean, I guess the Bitcoin thing, but that's so dorky. That's a bridge too far unless you're buying bulk. Yeah, unless you're doing some of that Silk Road fish scale. There's no reason or excuse to use Bitcoin. There's a lot happening in the tech space this week. [23:28] Wow. I don't know if you saw. Takes a selfie with Zuck once. Well, I wasn't even talking. We should get into that because I feel like it's. We will. We will. [23:36] I went to, I was invited by the Meta Corporation to go to this launch party of the new Meta glasses. The Kylie's. Of course, well, they had like, it's like 20... There's so many more silhouettes, but, you know, she's the main star so far. Yes, so I go to Chelsea, and it's, you know, of course, it's like as far as it possibly could be in Chelsea, and it's like an unmarked building with blue doors, you know, Facebook blue, and... [24:03] I walk in. They escort me over. There's like two sides. One feels like it's a little more public, and then one feels a little less public. I go to the less public side... [24:13] And I didn't really know what to expect. I was just like, yeah, I want to check this out because I need to see this. This is interesting. And I walk in and it's sort of like, you know, it feels like a very, very nice hotel lobby with an insane sort of meta logo flower creation. A bouquet would not do it justice. A botanical expression of the meta logo. Exactly. It was the size of a fucking table.

[24:40] I run into several people I know, a lot from a publishing media world, but also I know the guy who left Apple to go work at Meta to make these glasses, so I saw him. Timmy was there. He didn't let them photograph him. He was off-cycle just there to support. But I did, unfortunately, see him wearing a New Yorker Nowhere hat, which I hate to report that from ground zero. Do you really hate Chris? [25:10] I was like, all right, maybe he's just laying low that takes the hood off. I see why you're covering that up. You grabbed the wrong hat. You grabbed the wrong hat on the way out of the fucking high rise. Even Timmy knew it. Even Timmy knew it. I'll give him a pass. [25:23] We're at this thing and I'm like, oh, this is like a party and there's no, they don't have the, you know, it's not like some weird thing where the glasses are sitting out everywhere. It's literally just a party. It feels like any party we've ever been to. Is there a bar? Is there an alcohol situation? There's a bar. Yeah, there's a bar. There's past, you know, there's many lobster rolls. You know, I, again, it feels like every party I've ever been to except the biggest star in the room. [25:46] is not Kylie Jenner. It's Zuck. Like you could feel that energy where Kylie's there. You know Kylie's getting paid 20 million for this or whatever. She looks great. She's wearing the glasses. She's taking selfies. She's having fun. Corey Gamble, my hero from the Kardashian clan, was there, but I was too nervous. I was too nervous to dap him up. Is that the one who's piping Big Mama? That's right. The goat. The real goat of all this shit. He said, y'all can fight over the daughters. I'm going to the real boss.

[26:16] the mob at the top. I also... [26:19] Corey Gamble, born in 1980 in Atlanta, Georgia, and I love his Google profile. [26:26] He's listed as a business executive. I bet much like Scott Disick, they're maligned in the public for being... But Scott Disick makes a fortune. I bet Corey Gamble low-key is beasting doing something. I'm not saying the Kardashian connection doesn't contribute to that. He was a tour manager for Bieber under Scooter Braun's tutelage. Never mind. I take it back, Queen. Dude, you're tour managing Bieber. That's one of the hardest jobs in the world. It's real shit. That's how you can handle all these chicks. [26:56] at this party and and eva chin is there who i know and she's you know she's mentioned before she like i want to introduce you to mark i'm like yeah great let's let's fucking chop it up with mark i go i have a i have an eight minute conversation max with with zuckerberg and mel ottenberg and eva we take a picture and i go talk to other people and i leave you know and i'm sort of like you know [27:26] world. Obviously, I'm not a guy who's going to wear these. I'm not the target customer by any means, but [27:33] I just, I feel like... [27:35] I went to this because I felt like this is a wild experience to have and this is sort of my job. But then I was questioning because I have this funny selfie of me with Zuck. This funny selfie where I'm wearing the Kylie sunglasses. And he's telling me about how the hinges work and shit or whatever. What he told Sundberg. And I was like, this is so fucking funny. I think this is so funny. And then...

[28:00] after thinking about it more, I forget that people think this guy is evil. They put this guy on the level. I think a lot of people put him on the level of Elon Musk. Maybe I'm wrong. You're not wrong. I mean, maybe not as severe as Elon because he seems to be a little more level-headed and he's able to speak like a human and he's not actively overdosing on ketamine in government [28:30] are very upset with what Zuck has done to the internet landscape and, you know, some irreparable damage to humanity for his financial gain and power. But that's another pod because we're just taking a funny pick. Well, no, I mean, I think that some of that is true. And if it wasn't him, it'd be somebody else kind of thing. Like, I just don't, I don't think that these, I think this tech stuff is not my, under my purview necessarily, but I think it's funny to, I always find the irony [29:00] are shitting on this guy on the platforms that he owns that and that you use every day all day this goes back to the bezos thing of course bezos is a bad guy but the percentage of you that have canceled your amazon prime subscription is minute i couldn't see it i couldn't see with fucking a magnifying glass yeah you don't like hail hitler but you're still wearing them yeezys but it's just like do i is it like i don't like this is one of the most interesting maybe interesting is wrong

[29:30] maybe more than anyone in a lot of ways. You know what I mean? Like negatively and positively, like his creations, the thing that he's done are things that have affected the world in maybe the biggest way in like our lifetime for our generation. And if I can't chop it up with that guy for five minutes, like what's the point? Like that's like, I mean, you know, it's like I don't have any interest in talking to Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos because those guys to me do seem bad in a way that like- [30:00] I just thought it was all really funny and interesting. And like, this is what we do on how long gone is we do stuff when we talk about it. And then I was sort of like, Oh wow. The response to this is actually crazier than I thought. And of course these glasses all, you know, there's all these issues with this shit. We're in a surveillance state, Bob, you know, I, all that shit. Like, I don't really care about that. There's truth to it. And, and that that's just a fact, you know, but I think that like watching, you know, [30:25] 'Cause he did the first interview, I guess he's laid low for a while, and he hadn't done any interviews. So he did this interview for Feed Me. He did the guest lecture series, which she does, which I've done before, which is where people write in questions. [30:36] for the subject, and she picks the questions from that lot, and then the person answers them. So he did that, and people are like, you know, there's a newsletter called Status, like, we got a scoop. You know, Mark Zuckerberg dodges, they don't ask him any hard questions over, you know what I mean? He does this softball, you know, and it's like, dude, what, like, what do we think people are doing? Like, what do we really, like, do you really think Mark Zuckerberg, at this stage, is going to do anything

[31:06] him at risk like do we really think he's going to go in and let anybody he's you think he's going to go just let anybody ask him whatever he wants [31:13] I just don't like, what's the reality of this? I guess. Why are people so, why are people so unable to see the reality of a situation and, and not let that play into it? I guess is my question. Yeah. I think a lot of people who have issues with, with Zuck or any of these people who are being served softball questions. [31:35] They're thinking like, oh, well, you know, if I was there with this person, whoever, you know, from Zuck to Olivia Rodrigo, whoever is being interviewed a lot this week. If I was there, I'd be asking them the real hard questions. I'd be asking about this. Yeah. But, you know, you're not. And the reason why this person is asking any questions at all is because... [31:58] We've been vetted and we had a convo before that, you know, I'm going to talk about some stuff. I'm not going to talk about other stuff. And that goes across the board for anything. For when Wemby is being interviewed, if he's going to, you know, work with a, you know, Coca-Cola. He's like, I'm a basketball player. Let's talk about basketball. I don't want to talk about this bullshit. You're allowed to choose what you want to talk about when you want to talk about it.

[32:28] deposition interview and let's have fun [32:32] And talk about your favorite watch and stuff. Emily's newsletter is not the New York Times. It's not 60 Minutes. No, I mean, pre-Barry. It's not the Guardian. We're talking about more fun questions. We're asking Gwyneth Paltrow about what her favorite whatever pajamas are. And we're asking somebody about makeup routines and whatever. It's not like, what are we going to do about Gaza? This is my whole issue, though, is that people think because you have a platform that you... [33:01] should be asking those questions. And those are two different things. Like if you own the platform, you choose the tone that you want to take. That is your decision. And if you gain a large audience from that, why on earth would you change your tone because of the person that's appearing that day? You know, it's like, that's, that's not what people are coming to you for. I don't, I just think that if those questions are going to be asked, they should be asked by somebody who has been covering whatever the tech world for 30 years for the New York times or the wall street journal [33:31] of [33:31] I just I mean, it's just so baffling to me that like that's what's expected all the time now. And it's like I don't think anybody was asking whoa, Vicky hard questions, you know, like let's let's not fluent in English. So that one doesn't work out so well. Well, I think I think the main issue, I think the main issue and we'll talk about a little bit. [33:51] I think people have a lot of issue when you have somebody like Azuc who, like we were saying, he's not, you know,

[34:00] Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos level of, you know, evil billionaire in the world. But he is a light version of that. He's the Coke Zero version of, you know, doing bad stuff. And to sort of have a fluffy... [34:14] you know, superhumanizing, fun, little kind of chit chat thing, your integrity could be taken into account because you're so willing to, or you so want to be, [34:27] talking to [34:29] a famous person... [34:30] whoever it may be, that you're willing to sort of, you know, flog them and fluff them and kind of, you know, jiggle the balls a little bit and have, you know, [34:40] Not that we're not guilty of the same thing, but. Of course. Well, this is what I'm getting at. It's like, obviously, part of the reason I went to this event is because we would like to have Mark Zuckerberg on How Long Gone. And that could happen. You know what I mean? That's not out of the question. That being said, we don't let people see questions. We don't do that. And I wouldn't do that for Mark Zuckerberg. It's not that important to me. [35:10] what we, that's why we do this job. That's why we have this podcast. You know what I mean? Is like to talk to people like that about stuff that might seem innocuous or silly or stupid to, uh, people that want hard news. And that's just like, that's what I guess I'm, that's what I'm saying. It's like, once we started blurring those lines, I think it became, I mean, it's partly because, you know, they think Joe Rogan, you know, influenced the election, which he did to some extent, but it's just like, that's the part I get lost on is like all these guys do bad

[35:40] we. They're just doing it at a very large scale. And that's why it's so damaging to society. And you said the lines are blurred, and they are, but I feel like our job as funny interviewees or whatever, media, culture, [35:56] talking heads or whatever content creators you are you know there's a vast spectrum of topics and subject matters and things that you could tackle that are between you know what's your morning routine king or like you know what tell me about your favorite watch and then on the other side you know [36:17] Let's talk about teen suicide rates and Cambridge Analytica and misinformation spreading or whatever. There's so much in between where you can kind of like... [36:30] find some real humanity, learn some things about somebody, maybe learn how they thought one way and they change their mind as they've gotten older. You know, I feel like that with, um, like people used to ask us who is our dream guest and we don't really have a good answer. I used to say Kanye for a while. [36:48] Not because I want to platform him, not because I want to humanize him, not because I want to attack him, but because like, wouldn't it be a good challenge as somebody who does this for a living? [36:59] somebody who interviews people and has conversations for a living to have a new conversation with somebody like this that doesn't involve, you know, the two spectrums that are so easy that doesn't involve like what's up with the Hitler stuff and, you know,

[37:13] dude, you're so awesome. Runaway is a good song, you know, full glaze fest. Yeah, there's an in-between. And that's... Yeah, let's figure out those other parts of Zuck's brain that haven't been discovered. That's your job as a journalist. But I think that's the term that is so scary. And that's why I think this stuff has gotten so confused, is now person who asks questions with large audiences is considered a journalist. And I don't think those two things are necessarily the same. I would never call myself a journalist. I don't think you would either. And I think that's it. [37:43] Journalist. No, I'm a role model. That's a two. That's but that's what I'm saying. It's like because someone has a shitload of followers and eyeballs, that doesn't make them a journalist. That doesn't like we I think this goes back to like media literacy, like we as the audience need to understand the difference between those two and expect one from one and expect the other from the other. You know what I mean? And that's the issue. I'm like, I just felt a lot of because [38:13] this happened, I had an offer to do something with meta glasses that was pretty well paying. And I said, no, because I was like, that just, that just doesn't feel like me. Like I wouldn't do that because I wouldn't, I don't think I would wear these glasses and it doesn't feel like the right thing, but going to meet Mark Zuckerberg and see the glass, like see the new glasses and whatever. Like, I don't, what's the, I just don't understand what the, like Emily asked him about his favorite watch or us asking him about his fucking, you know, what bones he's broken to an

[38:43] face full of fucking sunscreen is like that's fine i gotta i just it's fine you know what i mean yeah yeah i just think i think it's all because these people i mean i just think again the word platforming journalist all these words have been totally misconstrued and applied to the wrong places and it makes everything feel crazy it makes everybody act insane how much was the meta bag i'll bleep it i'm not no i'm not saying that [39:11] I don't trust you. Smart not to trust me. I don't trust you. I don't trust you. But again, I'm saying this as a guy who uses every meta service possible happily every single day of my life. I'm the guy who sells a Facebook account. I don't give a shit. That's not like this. And you've never used Marketplace once, just to be clear? No, never used Marketplace before. I just check it out, man. I just click around. That's my job. Use it to see how many kids my old high school fatties use. Exactly. Exactly. [39:41] think that like everyone it's it's and then you got the you know then we got this can lion stuff going on and it's like i gotta watch a video of fucking scott galloway on a motor boat in the south of france telling me how creators are taking over the world and it's just it's just sort of like man all of this stuff is so confusing and bad and it's just like i don't even know what i i barely know what to think like can lion is is something i don't care like no one has talked

[40:11] And I hate to give Scott credit, but he's right. It's because all these fucking content creators, they're hosting panels for agencies and talking about themselves and their work. And they're the ones documenting it and they're the ones distributing it. Can Lion didn't have to do anything. And can the film festival, you know, as a consumer who's, you know, stuck at home. [40:33] on the rowing machine looking at my phone, all I'm seeing is, okay, here's a bunch of movies that I don't get to see because I'm not there. And I'm probably never going to see because they're just like random, you know, foreign films that are... [40:48] whatever critic darlings you have a bunch of celebrities who are trying to actively hide from photos they don't they don't want to be there nobody's you know and then it's all about standing ovations for the 11th year in a row how they're getting longer it's boring nobody gives a fuck anymore and can lion we got fucking mumford and sons hopping up on the dgb i mean i mean all that is i mean i'm joking but it's like [41:14] The can is like, it's become so exclusive that nobody even cares anymore. It's just like, okay, great. Now there's this actor and he's going to take a photo and his movie you're never going to see. Got an ovation for 11.9 minutes and great. But then you go over to Can Lion. Here's all the people you know who actively want to be there. They're sharing it. They're talking about it. [41:38] And it's more of an inclusive thing. And maybe that's the problem. No, that's definitely. Canline is too exclusive. That's totally the problem. But I also think that, like, once again, people love to forget that we, for better or worse, live in a capitalist society. And if your job is to get sponsors to get eyeballs on this festival that you throw, then you are going to let Spotify do whatever the fuck they want. Because Spotify is going to write you a check that numbs your eyeballs. Like, that's just what it is, you know?

[42:08] But I just, it's really, look, we live in a difficult time, I will say, because everything is sort of bad, but... [42:15] the only way to get through is to kind of think it's funny, but some people don't accept that is kind of where my head's at. Yeah. We've been laughing our way through life's pains for decades now at this point. But we talked about before with Marty Supreme, how people are more interested in the marketing campaign and rollout than the actual film itself. So it only makes sense that the marketing and advertising wing of Cannes is becoming more popular. [42:45] and interesting. It's the same thing. All this stuff. The dorks have taken over across the board. The dorks have taken over. And I think that is because now I think our celebrities are... [42:59] Fucking... [43:00] asshole basketball players like wimby or tech guys those are the celebrities now like of course there's actors and actresses and blah blah blah but the they don't have like an actor and actress can affect like foreign policy you know what i mean it's like that elon musk is literally in the white house doing a fucking bump a cat with his feet on the desk you know it's like that is that it's a different thing and that's why he's bad it's like it really affects something whereas like [43:30] a fight with a non-binary french person outside of a hotel about connor's story like that's fucking funny but that doesn't affect our lives at all no there's no there's no downside to that there's no data scraping there's no fucking betting on everything that happens in our lives it's literally harmless to everyone and that's it's fascinating but that's i i think those are the that's kind of the binary we have now it's either like evil guys doing evil or the dumbest shit you've ever possibly seen that makes you laugh and you can't believe it exists what a great segue to

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[47:03] And soon... [47:04] So do not sleep on it. Get out your fucking wallet. It's time to talk about rocket money, baby. I'm trying to save some money. I was talking to a friend of the show, Bryn Walner, yesterday. And she was saying if you look at your subscriptions, you could be living like me. That's what she was saying. She was saying if you use rocket money to find out which subscriptions you were paying for without your knowledge, then maybe you could be in Switzerland like me. You could be in Geneva. You could be at F1. Yeah, it does make sense. I think it really boils down to everyone knows it, but they just don't have the time. They don't want to do it. [47:34] knows they can go clean all the clothes out of their closet, sell them, and then take that money and buy a dream vacation or a trip to Geneva or a new Rolex. But you just don't do it. You don't have the time. It's too much work. Luckily, nowadays, places like Rocket Money do it all for you. They're happy to do it for you. So then all that money that you're saving, we can turn that into truly whatever it is that you want. Just make sure that you're not just taking all that money and resubscribing to the same services that you didn't use before. Okay? [48:04] done anything like that. Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. Let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster. Join at rocketmoney.com slash howlong. That's rocketmoney.com slash howlong. One more time, rocketmoney.com slash howlong. [48:23] you [48:24] I need to shout out Mitchell, her publicist, because it's one of the most unbelievable runs I've ever seen. Like, whoa, Vicky doing a fucking English as second language level poetry reading in like a dime square bubble from five years ago, getting the most amazing press. And I do think I understand why she is captivating to people like in some regard, like her her story is pretty crazy. I don't know what poetry has to do with that, but everybody has to find their medium.

[48:54] to her good PR as to why we have so many, you know, think pieces and cover stories in major publications about [49:03] How this, like you said, an ESL person who just tweets about how gay people are wrong in the eyes of God, you know, has a poetry reading full of gay guys? [49:13] Yeah, I don't. And this is getting more coverage than, you know. [49:17] Clive Davis passing away. It's just it's just it's just internet shit like she's been on the internet for a long time. We've seen a lot of ups and downs and now she's a Christian who write who has poetry and but she's still a thought. It's confusing. But yeah I mean you know it's like a lot of people are glazing you know and I'm sort of like obviously again this is a low stakes thing but it is pretty surprising. It is pretty surprising to see this in Vanity Fair and [49:47] And if the battle is for eyeballs, whoa, Vicky has those and that's what we all need. Yeah, and I forgot who else was talking about this, but... [49:54] Maybe it was a podcast. I remember. Sorry if I'm talking about it and I didn't shout you out, but about how these sort of niche-ish Twitter or social media celebrities, these people that you have maybe been following for years, you know, and like, whoa, Vicky has, you know, 100,000 something followers. She's not huge, but she's been on Twitter for, you know, 10 years writing this bullshit.

[50:24] 5,000 followers whose tweets you've been following for 10 years versus like a true celebrity in public, you're going to be more captivated by that niche Twitter celebrity just because they're a part of you and what you're doing. And you sit there and you look at their social media engagement and you wonder how is it? People are like, is this person just like... [50:47] An idiot savant like a little bee kind of person where like yes, they're really bad people but every 17th tweet is just like pure poetry just like amazing soup something really funny or really wry or or just like whatever it is. Or do they have, you know, a team of gay guy interns who are writing all these really funny tweets are this are the typos. [51:13] intentional or I believe I believe in this case that whoa Vicky is authentic I think she's doing this herself I think the typos are because she don't type good I I actually believe all of that to be true but I think you make a great point it's like for a certain kind of person whoa Vicky seeing whoa Vicky buying you know fake Chanel bags on Canal Street is bigger than seeing DiCaprio bellying up to the bar you know what I mean because it because she feels like a real person [51:43] that feels more real than the movie or television. If I'm walking on the street... [51:49] On the left side, Ayo Adebri from The Bear. And on the right side of the street, Amanda Bynes. I'm looking at Bynes.

[51:59] I'm more, I'm clocking by. That's, that's, but it is a really interesting. That's no slight to AO, friend of the show. That, that, no, that's a good point though. It really is. It's like, that, that really is what it comes down to that these people, like someone like this, especially if you're like a logged on, you know, Tumblr shorty, this person has been famous since your brain was developing. And so to see, be able to go see them somewhere free of charge, you know, read their poetry or whatever it is, there's a level of starstruck that is maybe undeserved, but still that you can't, you can't say that. [52:29] That experience is exclusive to everyone. The same way if I see the singer from the Jayhawks at the coffee shop, most people don't give a shit, but Chris does. We all have our whoa, Vickies. Yeah, you said, there you go. Brendan Flowers from a band called The Killers. When's Brendan coming on the pod, by the way? Solo album out soon? Dude, I've had the solo album for like a month now, and it is really up my street. It's good. [52:59] on it hopefully fingers crossed i mean i've been trying to brandon flowers has been a since day one project for us um well for me i won't i won't throw you under the bus with me but i'm here for you new single comes out there's a lot i feel like the wife of the husband who's really into fishing and we're gonna go on the fishing trip together and like it's not [53:18] You know, it's not for me, but I still get pleasure out of it seeing you have such a good time. There's a lot of good. I mean, we get a new Phoebe Bridgers song tomorrow. [53:24] We get a new Brandon Flowers song tomorrow. There's all kinds of new shit. We got Chanel beads. We got all kinds of new shit coming out, bro. We're about to be eating, actually.

[53:36] Beed. What is this somebody called who makes beads? What do you mean? You know, like a beadsman. You're talking about me when I was 14? I'm trying to come up with a stand name for Chanel beads listeners. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. [53:54] Hammerheads are going to eat this summer or whatever, or Racists Addison Rae. I see what you're saying. I just want there to be a good name for the Chanel beads stand-up. Let me think about this. Let's come back and do this. Yeah, damn, there's a new—yeah, the new Brennan Weedle came out. The new Blonde Shell came out. There's new This Is Lorelei coming out. It's really—it's guitar season is real, bro. Okay, a bead maker or a person who's crafting with beads is typically called a beader. All right, put on your wife beaters. A little on the nose. [54:24] We're going to see the show. So beaders are going to eat this June slash July. Got it. Chanel beaders. That's our Discord group. And speaking of Chanel, thank God none of these luxury fashion brands flew me out to Paris this week. Because boy, does it look hot out there. Shout out to all of our friends who are wearing shorts in public for the first time. If I see one more person posting a screenshot of the weather when they don't need to be there for any business. Unless you are getting paid to be there. Call them out. [54:54] about the weather no you can't post about the way it's too many honestly my timeline is unbelievable i did see someone today though posting how much it would cost to leave early on delta one on their close friends which i did like that was he knows who he is he's not listening to this but he knows who he is and it was very funny but yeah i mean i think it's 104 degrees in paris and you went there to go to parties and now you're like damn it's like 104 degrees what are we gonna do let's go

[55:24] I mean, it's really, when you really think about it, it's like when you see what the models are having to wear, you know, in this heat, that's who I really feel for. All of the plastic jeans that are meant to look synthetic, all of the Loewe textured latexes, that's tough. To be fair, though, the fellas are probably eating out there because you know these chicks ain't wearing much. You know what I mean? If you're a fella, put on your jorts and your fucking wife beater and sit outside the Emily Dawn Long showroom and just let them come to you, bro. [55:54] You ain't got to do nothing. Well, you said the jorts and the wife, Peter, but there seems to be a bit of a protest from the fellas who are saying like, we are in sundress season across most of the globe, but all of the shorties are literally wearing denim shorts from Walmart and a tasteful whatever, Haley Williams tea or something like that. So the fellas are not eating, [56:24] more pornography use, ladies, get those sundresses going. You can put shorts on under the sundress like you're in black pink or something. What if I said to you, but what if maybe this is something, this is more sinister? To me, this could be a sign that tits are back. Do you know what I mean? Because with the jorts or the basketball shorts or the lacrosse shorts or the Adidas soccer shorts, usually those are paired with some sort of see-through top. [56:54] You know what I mean? Whereas the sundress, to me, always felt like something was accentuating the rear end a little more. Wow. Can you tell which one of us is from Atlanta?

[57:05] No, I'm sheeing. Okay, so what you're saying is, I mean, wishful thinking. I think you have a good attitude and a positive. I'm trying to spin it. I'm trying to spin it. I'm not going to lie. It's a silver lining on a JNCO cloud, but you're saying we're bullish on the breast. [57:24] After years of ass, I think at least we're reaching a more equilibrium. We're reaching a more equal point, I would say. It's Juicy J's memoir title. After years of ass, actually not him. He a faker, but real ass gutter. Lamar Odom. Yeah. Something like that. I also wanted to- Yeah, so ladies, if we're going to do the jorts on the bottom, give the fellas a little something up top, okay? Yeah, that's all. That's all. Especially when it's hot outside. It's better for you. It's better for us. It doesn't have to be a Skims nipple shirt. [57:54] It doesn't have to be just like a full mesh. It doesn't have to just be an upside-down bikini so the titties look sideways. You don't have to go that far. But just don't have it Billie Eilish on top. Just don't go Billie Eilish on top. Whatever you do, don't do the Hermes scarf tied as a top. Nothing worse than that. Don't get the Rough Riders 3XL tee, okay? You got to pick one. Don't get the funny Twilight tee, nothing. You know, I want to say the vintage T-shirt community is also eating because Zendaya wore... [58:23] vintage Spider-Man tee, and nothing else on the red carpet with the lubes. Period. So I want to shout out. I just love Chris Black saying a vintage Spider-Man tee. I'm just glad that, look, Westside. For a fashion credit. Unfortunately, I did see Westside Gun is doing a Saucony or a Brooks running shoe that is Spider-Man themed, which that doesn't, I don't love that. But the Zendaya big shirt. Westside Gun is doing a Spider-Man shoe. Spider-Man Saucony. Look it up.

[58:53] Look it up. [58:54] I don't know. These joints are kind of hard, though. [58:58] There's a scorpion on the back. Spider-Man is only in quotes. It is not official Spider-Man gear, but it's in quotes. It's Webby. West Side Gun ain't paying for the IP. The Spider-Man IP ain't going up to Buffalo. Not to be confused with rapper Webby. Zendaya looked beautiful in the t-shirt. I honestly thought it was a very cool... I like when people... This is happening more and more now. [59:24] to the film or the TV show. And I think it's cool. I think it's, I mean, it's more interesting. Supporting your man. It's just more interesting than like, oh, here's another full look from XYZ Designer. You know what I mean? Like it's a little more fun. And is this Law Roach? Yeah, this is Law. From the mind of Law? Are we coming back around? Luxury Law was at the meta thing, as you can imagine. We didn't. I can just imagine the fucking cunt off that you two must have had. I didn't. Like going to hold the door open for him and then letting go of it at the last minute. Oops. [59:54] oh no i didn't even ask him which flat iron he uses i kept it to myself i kept it pressing when law was in my orbit did you catch the name of the horse who grew this hair for you honey it looks beautiful i'll say that um but yeah the vintage t-shirt but i mean yeah dude it's it's hot in paris and and don't jump in the river this is when the conversation comes up once again of like you know oh air conditioning so bad it's american you guys are fat blah blah blah yeah i bet you i

[1:00:24] Put down that corked Barolo and get in some fucking AC. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Okay, well, speaking of Paris Fashion Week, let's talk about... [1:00:36] Pharrell's red vans. Look, I say this all the time. [1:00:41] There are probably five shoe silhouettes that are the baseline of shoes and everything else. Vans, Authentics, or Eras. Converse, Chuck Taylor, Jack Purcell. New Balance, 990, 993. And Air Force One, obviously. Maybe we'll do a Wallaby Clark in there. Yeah, a Clark. That's not technically a sneaker, but a Wallaby is definitely... This is what designers have done for decades. [1:01:11] a fucking repeto. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't, Pharrell doing his version of a Vans and Vans having fun with it on social media is, that's just great for everybody. I even got an email from Converse yesterday. Yeah. [1:01:24] with red low top yeah um all stars just being like we also have red shoes i just think it's like i just think people maybe don't realize that like pharrell doing this is an homage to vans and van sales are probably 10x since this shoe came out so it's like everybody if you can't afford the the vans which most people can't or excuse me if you can't afford the lv then you go get the vans i i don't know i just think it's um i don't see an issue here really and that was i will say the [1:01:54] anything for me but that was one of the coolest fashion show sets i've ever seen yeah

[1:01:58] Unreal. That seems to be the opinion of every single person in the world. Unreal. Yeah, the beautiful set. [1:02:05] I would say if Apple, take note. It was a great job, but the clothes just look like golf wang for older people. Yeah, for sure, which is fine. Not bad. That's manageable. Tyler hit first. But I do think it's interesting that he premieres music during the show, and it's crazy because it feels like a real sign of the sort of [1:02:31] how dormant hip hop is. It's like he premiered, I think three new songs that he produced one with Quavo, one with a little baby and maybe one with someone else. And I haven't heard anybody talk about it at all. [1:02:41] Like that is not part of the conversation at all. I didn't even know that happened at all. That's what I'm saying. And also, if I own Louis Vuitton, am I like... [1:02:49] you're like using the company platform a little too much like you're well that's why they hired him they're happy to gain access to this throwaway quavo song that no one's ever going to listen to versus you know whatever i'm going to do this really ethereal techno mix yeah i mean i would rather hear my models stomping like unless you get the goat unless you get somebody really you know i i don't need to hear the fret again soundtrack but that's another conversation but like you know [1:03:19] and dance music cool but if you have pharrell at your fingertip one of the greatest ever living producers you got to let him take his shot no matter what like who cares true i mean i guess but i mean do you do that for jay-z as well or do you say like hey maybe you play fucking grinding instead you know play one of your good ones instead of i mean you know the new one with

[1:03:40] party next door and you know, so we tea or some shit. Don't come for PND, bro. Don't come for PND like that. Well, you know the song of the summer. You know the song of the summer, what they're saying. What? That new young Miami. Oh. Spend that. D-A-T. If you haven't heard this, this is apparently this and shebang that. [1:04:01] are going head-to-head in the streets for Song of the Summer. I told you Shebang is the one, not your little Janice. I think Janice numbers are actually bigger, but I think Shebang is more of a cultural movement. I'll take movement over numbers. Spin that, though. I got motion. Spin that you might. It's for the scammers and get-money bitches, so you'll like it. That's kind of your... That's sort of how I think of you. Yeah, and it's apparently... It's in conjunction somehow with four shooters only. So, okay. Is that a producer or is that just a movement? You know... [1:04:30] I'm gonna guess it's probably a t-shirt line for drug dealers. Okay, well, that could also be a producer. You know what I mean? Like, they could do all. I also, I don't know if you saw this, but I think it might finally be time for me to purchase a guitar. [1:04:49] Who's going to play it? Johnny Marr Auction. [1:04:52] 100 guitars oh like shit like i wrote the queen is dead on this shit that one i'm not going to be able to afford of course okay but johnny mark collection so you're saying you might be able to pull up and get a cheaper one i could get an epiphone i could get a hollow body something light get it what i can get you an epiphone today for 12.5 you can drive off the lot today in the epiphone you get no capo included but you we can get you out of here we got the rickenbacker 60 to 80

[1:05:22] for like five we got anything for five we got the uh the hollow body es 355 that one she going one to 150 that's a juicy little bit i mean that's that's a guitar that's gonna go high regardless of the mar uh okay we got an ugly kind of green telly 20 to 30 we got a gibson acoustic 20 to it doesn't look like it's going under 20 to 30 okay okay that's fine you can get the epiphone casino [1:05:51] For 20, 30. So I got to put a little group together to buy in on one of these things. Wait, wait, wait. [1:05:59] We got a Fender. Okay. Well, this one is 8 to 12. Okay. Looks pretty nice. It's a little kind of Dijon Jaguar. Oh. But it's priced like made in Mexico. We're going to have to dig deep. I don't want to get two in the weeds. And then also we've got... [1:06:16] another jaguar this one's kind of a cream colored sparkle and that is eight to twelve thousand i sent that to you either of those would look handsome of the samsung flat screen i think i would go dijon if i had a gun to my head this is yeah it's such an interesting i i mean johnny marr definitely doesn't need money i feel like he i feel like he might much like no i think he might be in my position where his wife is like he sells 80 guitars for an average of 40 grand each like [1:06:46] you know that's a tidy little some yeah yeah but i'm saying i think this is the kind of shit where his wife is like all right bro you got 200 we got to get rid of 100 like you got like there's this this shit is taking over your life like it's od you're 70 like what are we doing yeah the kids kids and school it's crazy there's no amps because i would have definitely a little fender oh a little one of those little guys that you have to use the di for i don't that'd be nice as like a little side table don't don't be talking about a little di box little fender twin little fender twin is a

[1:07:16] all right well lastly because it uh because of the musical connection i wanted to talk about uh taylor swift the uh the wedding people are mad that she's getting married in new york city on the fourth of july i still think that's interference up the streets but also doesn't everyone leave new york on the fourth of july i mean it's one of those classic cases where like everyone that lives there leaves or wants to leave but everyone else comes you know what i mean that [1:07:46] You know, when everyone is like, this wedding is inconveniencing me for whatever reason it is. Like, why is this happening? Like, I remember the game five of the Knicks finals. There was like weddings, a bunch of weddings that weekend. And people were like having to decide between going to their like... [1:08:05] cousin's wedding or watching game five at a at a b-dubs is there are there going to be a lot of people in new york who are like i was really planning on going to turks and cake maldives or just the hamptons this weekend and now i got to stick around in the city on the fucking fourth of july like a plebeian you know is that going through some of these folks's brains i still think this is all an interference i i still think this is completely she's getting married in rhode island [1:08:35] I know that she is a Swiss cheese brain, but getting married at Madison Square Garden is one of the corniest things a human being. I have to give her more credit than that. I have to. Until it's true, I have to believe it that it's not. Yeah, but also what's worse, getting married in MSG or faking that you're getting married as like a psych out to the public to do a crazy flip-flop? Well, actually, I don't think it's necessarily a psych out. I think it'll get used.

[1:09:05] for the wedding party and all you know what i mean she's got fucking what if that was where they had the viewing party like where san antonio goes to the stadium even though the game's in new york it's i i could see it being like you know antinoff and the the fucking bleachers band you know and everybody gets up and sings a song situation if you're taylor swift you can't do that at electric lady you got a little too you got too many people for that and happy birthday rachel antinoff heard it was a great great fiesta yeah um anyway shout out to all those [1:09:35] Kids, congrats on your marriage. And RIP to Big Mama Trash Can, the J.P. Morgan employee who was fired. Apparently, I heard that she was like, somebody said she worked at the infatuation. And then after they are acquired, they twisted it to be her. She's a J.P. Morgan executive. She looks like she works at the infatuation, if you know what I'm saying. What's your beat? Grilled cheeses? Got it. [1:10:05] Mostly just empanadas, actually. Just cheese empanadas. Do you remember when, do you remember macaroni and cheese was peaking? That was kind of my thing. The bacon one, especially. I kind of was on the front lines of that movement. I wrote a book about bacon, macaroni and cheese food trucks in 2007. It got a little buzz. RIP also to Clive Davis, the legend, problematic legend, who came out as bi at 80. And thank you to everyone who sent me that and said, ha ha ha. [1:10:30] you know referencing that that's my future so that's that's your equivalent of when people are like yo

[1:10:37] Jeff Bezos didn't, he didn't get, he was poor until 43. You still got plenty of time or whatever, you know, like this athlete didn't go pro. Yeah. Yeah. [1:10:47] Maybe I do have time to... Clive didn't start sucking until he was 80, so you still got a chance, big bro. Well, he didn't admit to start sucking until he was 80 when he needed a little... That's true. [1:10:58] you know, a little compassion going his way. Remember when we saw, remember when we went to that? It's good that he's dead not to be a hater. We were at La Dolce Vita in Beverly Hills, me, you, Pauly, and Al, I think when that restaurant opened. Guess who had to bring their dog? [1:11:14] to a sexy little Italian restaurant. We saw Clive struggling through that restaurant, and I was starstruck. I really was. He had like a walker and a couple people with him and a little tiny dog at a Beverly Hills Italian restaurant at 10 p.m. And I was like, only Clive could do that. Only Clive could do that. Only Clive can do it. Rest in piss, CD. Rest in piss. All right, thank you guys for listening. How Long Gone, howlonggone.com is the website. And we'll talk to you next week. [1:11:44] Outro Music.

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