#2520 - Tommy Lee

[00:01] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! [00:12] Are we up? Are we rolling? Thanks for the heads up, so I'm not tripping later going, hey dude. [00:17] Good to see you, man. Yeah, good to see you too. What's cracking? You got a diamond in your tooth? Is that what's going on? Yeah, nice. Nice. That's fun. My friend Cam just got a gold tooth, and I was giving him a hard time. [00:30] I'm thinking of getting a gold tooth. I have a cap. I have a root canal. I think I'm going to swap it out for a gold tooth. Do it. Fuck yeah. I got one back here somewhere. [00:44] It's just that little like I don't know that little pirate thing starts to happen. I know it's just a little little outcast II Yeah, yeah, yeah, so what's cracking brother. How you doing? I'm good man. I'm uh [00:59] I'm stoked to be here to see you. Stoked to have you here. Yeah, man. Shit, I wish I was staying longer now. But we'll make the best of... How long are you staying? How long are you in town for? I'm leaving after... Right after this? After you, yeah. Where are you headed? Back home, L.A. [01:17] My son is getting married. Oh. Congratulations. Thanks, thanks. Which is such a trip, dude. [01:25] You know, like, he's 29... [01:28] And he's getting married. And I'm just, I've been kind of tripping out on that. Like, dude, where the fuck?

[01:35] did that time, A, go? Right. And like, [01:39] I'm so... [01:40] fucking happy for him, that... [01:43] He's been seeing the school for [01:46] Seven years? I'm so proud that he did exactly the opposite of his dad. You know what I mean? Right, right. He knows, and they've been... [01:56] Basically, they've been married, you know, and they're just making it official now. And I'm just so happy for them. Like, I tell them all the time, like, so happy for you, dude. You're like... [02:08] You use some patience and some love and mix it all around and put some time in there. And you know your survival rate is going to be way better than... [02:22] Way better and that makes me really happy and your happiness rate. I think if you're a kid and your dad is Tommy Lee and you leave that fucking crazy chaotic life. He's probably like slow down. Give me a fucking yard and a picket fence and whoa. Totally. Totally. That's why like in you know in you know in the drift of everything. [02:42] I'm really surprised and I'm really happy. He just like... [02:46] pump the brakes. That's awesome. Just, like, make sure that what he's doing is... [02:51] the real shit yeah i mean especially in la with a rock star dad it's like there's so many bad influences there's so many ways you could go where you could just ruin your fucking life it's so easy to ruin your life if you're in the wrong circles dude so easy right because everybody else is doing it too you're like hey i guess we're doing meth i'm fucking just i i mean i know people that are

[03:21] They're not bad people. They're not even stupid, man. They just made a bad decision for whatever reason. And then next thing you know, they're all strung out. And it's like L.A. is the hub of that. There's so much of that going on in L.A. [03:36] Yeah, and if you have any sort of... [03:39] that sort of shit magnet attached to you. Yeah. You know, the shady friends and the, but most people do. You just kind of, of course, all of a sudden, [03:50] You're just fucking. I mean, I don't live in the rock and roll world, but I think that's probably the most attractive to like crazy people like that world. That is the world where if you're a fucking kook, like you gravitate towards that world. You know, it's probably so hard to find like sane, balanced people that are. Yeah. You know? Yeah. They have their shit together. It's like it's almost impossible. [04:20] and you're the fucking drummer in Motley Crue. I mean, how are you supposed to be normal? What the fuck are you talking about? What kind of life is that? That's such a bizarre life. It's the craziest life of all time. You're fucking slamming the drums on stage in front of literally a sea of human beings singing along to your music. Nobody can understand that. I know, man. Yeah, they've seen it all. They've seen it all. [04:50] you know, just so, you know,

[04:52] We could hang out and spend time. They're like, you know, get them a radio. All of a sudden, one of my sons is part of the lighting crew, helping those guys. My other son is like, all he wants to know about is like, Dad... [05:08] I want to be in charge of all things. [05:10] The after show passes. I'll go out while you're playing, and I'm going to hit all the chicks. [05:16] And, like, my son is out there just stack of passes. Come on back afterwards. Come on back. And then watching him, like... [05:26] have... [05:27] Just running it, right? It's just like... [05:31] brings a cheer to my eye, man. That's cool. That's very cool. When you look back, how much of a dream does it feel? I mean, it's got to feel very bizarre that you [05:43] You know, every young guy who plays music wants to be in a gigantic band. They all want to be rock stars. And when it actually happens for you and you're looking back on it, like how – [05:54] fucking surreal does it all feel it's dude i pinch myself still daily and [06:00] Literally. And I'm... [06:03] I'm just fucking, I don't know, man. I'm just lucky to be here. [06:07] I'm lucky I get to do this. I always say to people like there's a couple of things that are involved with that whole thing. There's... [06:16] Some luck... [06:18] some talent, [06:20] timing...

[06:23] And those things kind of all line up. And it happens for you. And it just happens at fucking supersonic speeds where, like, a lot of it's a fucking blur. Right. Like, a ton of it's a blur where you have to have somebody else, like, remind you. You're like, oh, shit, that's right. I totally forgot we did that. You know, like about crazy times. Yeah. Yeah. [06:46] Yeah, it's a trip, dude. I spend a lot of time, like... [06:50] Thank you. [06:50] hanging on right here we go [06:56] Did you get a chance like when you're coming up to talk to any other rock stars? Did anybody give you advice on how to handle things like what it's how weird it's gonna be? I [07:04] No. [07:05] I'm trying to think of any sort of a... [07:08] mentor kind of dude on like how to survive the shit. [07:12] No. Like, pull Keith Richards aside and say, hey, man, how about a few tips? How'd you do this? Oh, he's still here. Bro, I saw them at CODA, at the Circuit of the Americas a couple years back. Yeah. They were fucking incredible, man. Incredible. Insane. They're like, what is, how old is Keith? Dude. Are they like 80? He's gotta be. Mick is like 80? Yeah. Mick is moving around and dancing and singing. Insane. Insane. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. [07:42] In fact, research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist. And trust me, I know I buy one. The farmer's dog. I use it for both my dogs. They love it. They eat it up quick. It smells good to them.

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[09:48] Dude, and let me tell you a fun, quick little story here. [09:54] Motley Crue [09:55] gets to open up for the Rolling Stones. This was on Halloween. I forget what fucking year. We were at some stadium, and I think it was Toronto. We got to open for them. [10:06] And we're so fucking pumped. We're like, dude, are you kidding me? [10:11] We get to fucking do this? Anyway, we play our show back in the dressing room after we're done. [10:21] The Stones tour manager comes into the dressing room and goes, "Tony! [10:26] I was like, yeah. He goes... [10:28] He goes... [10:29] "Mick, Ronnie and Keith would like to see you!" And I was like, "Brad!" I fucking... [10:36] head over there, and dude, this is... [10:39] Mmm. [10:40] 20 minutes before there to go on I go into their their world and they got they bring a bartender around with them and [10:48] So there's a guy set up. [10:50] just slinging fucking drinks. [10:53] Mick isn't hammered, but fucking Keith and Ronnie? [10:59] They were fucking walking on their lips. I'm talking shitty, like, hey, fucking, right. Just falling over with their guitars. 20 minutes before they go on stage. I'm like... [11:12] How are these guys going to fuck? There's no way they're playing. I'm sorry. [11:17] There's no way. No fucking way. And all of a sudden, we took a couple of photos, and it was like, let's go to the stage. And I'm like, oh, I got to see this. I'm walking with them, right? They get up there. Fucking lights go out.

[11:31] Boom. They fucking, I think they started with Start Me Up. [11:35] and [11:40] It was like a switch flipped. [11:42] all of a sudden those guys were fucking money like [11:47] 100% fucking rocking out. [11:49] I was like, how did they just go? They've been doing it for so long that they just, they're masters of the controls. They're like, okay, I guess we can get this amount of fucked up and then we can go. Like, it's okay. I think some guys just. That was a crazy level. Like, I saw that. You could barely talk. And then they went up there and fucking ripped it. I wish I saw that. Some guys just want to be fucked up to just feel the experience. Just to just ride it like a wild bull. [12:19] You know? Just wherever you land. Yeah, that's where some guys like to do it. I mean, and rock, I don't have to tell you, rock and roll music is the heart of that. That's where it really goes down, where a lot of guys like to get fucked up before they play. Yep. You know? You want to see something fucking inspirational? I'm going to show you something crazy. Always. This is, have you seen, Jamie, have you seen Rick Springfield lately? I did just see him, and I was like, whoa, dude. [12:49] your way. This is [12:50] literally bananas. This is Rick Springfield. He's 76 years old. Okay? 76. [13:00] And he's singing Jesse's Girl like he just wrote it. Is this video right here? And he's fucking. Yeah. Put the headphones on. Bro. Put the headphones on and back this up from the beginning.

[13:11] I can't get the... [13:13] Whoa. Well, I just sent it to you on Instagram. He's ripped. [13:17] Click on the other link then, the one that I sent you on Instagram. [13:21] *cough* [13:22] Because you can't, first of all, he looks fucking incredible, like he's working out every day or something. I mean, I don't even understand that. He looks like a 30-year-old guy. Yeah. And he's singing the song like he just wrote it. [13:34] *music* [13:38] Bro, 76. [14:00] Yeah, dude. That's crazy. Fuck. [14:08] Amazing, man. Amazing. That's fucking inspirational. Inspirational. Bro. 76 years old. And passion and enthusiasm is what kills me. This is not a guy who's just going out there and going through the motions. He's singing that song like he just wrote it. Yeah, totally. Fuck yeah, Rick Springfield. Yeah, good job, bro. Fuck yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. I've been sending that to everybody. I'm like, fuck yeah. I saw that. I saw that clip and I was like, whoa. [14:38] A lot of people in their 76 are basically waiting to die. This dude's on stage with no shirt on, fucking crushing life. Dude, I love it. I love it. That's going to be me. Still 10 years from now, fucking just rocking shit. Well, I remember in the 80s, there were no old rock stars. Like, no one was out there touring that was an old rock star. You're right. You're right. And then the Stones released a new album. I think it was like 88 or 89.

[15:08] like wow they're gonna tour again it was almost like aren't they done with this like they're older now yeah and then it started being a thing where a bunch of older guys would like go out on tour that hadn't been on tour in a while and now it's no and people like why are we retiring like why why would i stop doing the most amazing thing that a human being ever gets to do yeah that you love to do yeah no let me stop doing that it was like a thing with hip-hop hip-hop artists too they would [15:38] just didn't appreciate them anymore. It was like a young guy's game. But now a lot of those older guys are going on tour too, and people realize, oh, these guys are fucking dope. Like I saw Run DMC went on, or excuse me, Public Enemy went on with, I think it was... [15:54] I think it was Bruce Springsteen. I think Bruce Springsteen had them go up in one of his concerts. I'm like, fuck yeah, look at these dudes. They're killing it. [16:01] They're still getting after it. [16:03] That's the best, man. You've got to love that. And I think that resurgence, I don't know if you call it a resurgence, or just that style of, like, there are certain things that were – [16:16] that were really great that stood the test of time. [16:21] And I really think that... [16:23] The way shit is now, man... [16:27] There is too fucking much like there's too much music like Spotify releases like 300 fucking thousand songs a day Really? Who the fuck is listening to all this music dude? I'm in the business and if I can't keep up How can a fan of music keep up? So I just I think that the the

[16:49] Thank you. [16:49] The excess of... [16:51] It's just static, and it's really blown a hole through for... [16:57] you know, uh, original stuff, you know, um, [17:02] really good stuff because a lot of the stuff is all kind of sounding the same now. But I just, I think that [17:09] It's been a cool progression that's sort of fueled that. [17:18] I don't know if I'm making sense. I'm kind of getting it. No, you're making sense. You know what I'm trying to say? There's so much static now that the sort of the... Something has to be undeniable to break through. The authentic stuff still fucking holds water big time. Well, there's always like one song that all of a sudden resonates and just goes super viral because people listen to it and go, holy shit. There's always going to be something that's exceptional. But I do agree. [17:48] impossible. There's a lot of great music that I don't know anything about. And then someone turns me on to it and I'm like, how the fuck did I not know this guy? Yeah. Yeah. [17:55] And had your friend not turned you on to that, you'd never fucking know. Well, there's no real radio anymore. No. Right? So how do you find out? When I was a kid, when I was in high school, like... [18:09] a new Motley Crue song came out. It was on the fucking radio. Yeah, right. And then you knew, all right, the new album's out. Let's go get the new album. Yeah. And that was with every major band. It was like, then you got MTV. MTV came along. Oh, the music video's out. The album's out. But now it's like...

[18:26] Anyone can just put stuff up, which is great. Yeah, which is cool. Look, it's all overall positive because you have more artists and more people that are doing what they want to do. More people that are making music, which is awesome. [18:41] It's the same thing with movies. Imagine if you had to watch every movie ever made. You'd have to be a million years old. So we'd never finish. Exactly. It's not enough hours in the day. Yeah. It's the same musically, what's happening musically. It's happening with everything entertainment-wise. Yeah. Films, television shows. There's... [19:03] An abundance of like it's just too much. How did how do people I mean people got these you know? I [19:11] uh... [19:12] TV packages where they've got subscriptions 4,000 different places and you still can't find anything to watch. You're like, what the fuck is happening here, everybody? We gotta like... [19:27] peel it back a little bit make it a little easier here well there's so many options it's almost like dating apps right like if someone if some chick is chewing her food with her mouth open like swipe who's next yeah like people get they don't get a chance to know anybody and i think that's also the same thing with movies and tv shows yeah because if you're watching netflix if you get bored for three seconds you're like fuck this movie what else is on bit bit bit you know okay try this one and you watch that for 10 minutes not fuck this i would like to see their numbers

[19:57] people actually watch a show or a movie on Netflix before they shut it off. I bet it's way different than in the past. I bet in the old days, most people watched the movie to the end. Sure. I bet now it's like 20%. Oh, dude. If that. Yeah, I'm just going to say a little bit more. If that. Yeah. It's short attention span life right now. It's very bad for you. Yeah. Sometimes you've got to just take something in. [20:27] I'm dealing with a bunch of fucking six-year-olds here. And if my shit isn't banging within the first... [20:34] Whether it's a movie or a song or whatever it is, whatever your art is, if it's not fucking ripping your face off and grabbing your attention within three or four seconds, you're next. Right. Exactly. When that's just the world we're in. So then that affects people who make the stuff because they really got to put the best shit up front quick or else you're going to lose everybody. 100%. [21:04] Thanks. [21:05] Yeah, but they don't have to give in to that. Nobody's got time for suspense or, you know, ah, fuck that. This summer, the Cup is taking over the U.S. and only DraftKings has you covered every step of the way. Follow every group stage upset, every knockout round thriller, every stoppage time moment that flips the whole tournament. Sweat all the big matches you love in real time with a seamless experience built for the world's biggest stage.

[21:35] connected and in the game with one app. New DraftKings customers sign up with code Rogan, spend five bucks to get 200 in rewards within 21 days. That's code Rogan in partnership with DraftKings. The crown is yours. Bet with DK Sportsbook. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. 1-800-MY-RESET. New York, call 877-8-HOPE-N-Y or text HOPE-N-Y. Connecticut, call 888-789-7777 [22:05] We'll see you next time. [22:23] Well think about some of the songs from the past that would never pass mustard today that are just amazing classics like whole lot of love So a whole lot of love you have a minute and a half fuck sounds with symbols and [22:35] before it comes back to this insane guitar solo. Yeah. Right? Yeah, you're right. Like, you're like, ah, ah, ah, yeah. It's like the most bizarre song ever. Yeah, kind of drum solo-y, kind of... Yeah. Yeah. [22:48] And in classically, Freebird. When Leonard Skinner released Freebird, they're like, no, no, no. This song takes way too long to get going. It's so long. It's like a seven-minute song. This is never going to fly. Meanwhile, it's one of the greatest anthems in the history of the world. And perhaps the greatest guitar solo in the history of the fucking human race. Right, right. You know? Yeah. Freebird, when that dude gets going, and you see it live, and everybody's fucking jacked. The whole fucking place is going off. Going bananas.

[23:18] greatest guitar solos in the history of the fucking human race and their record company was like it's too long yeah people don't have any attention span for this guys god even back then people were fucking hating well it's always the people that are the money people yeah it's all they give a fuck about is money and you're in the creative side of it and the money people are just pimping out the creative side of it and they're just trying to get you to suck as many dicks as they can because they want to buy a rolls-royce they're like come on suck that dick let's go go [23:48] And they don't give a fuck about you or your reputation because then they got fucking Nickelback over here and this guy over there. And there's always a new band. They can push and pimp. Yeah. And so they just want to make the maximum amount of money possible. So they always have shitty advice because their advice is based on making money. Yeah. And for that reason – [24:08] When we were on Electro Records, they were never allowed in the studio. No one from the label was ever allowed. We allowed them once, and he came in and started making changes or suggesting edits and stuff. We're like, out. [24:26] Thank you. [24:27] Out. Yeah. You'll get it when it's done here. Oh, God. So gross. Yeah, dude. And here's some guy making those kind of calls who has no not a musician, has no idea about what key the fucking songs in. All he knows is it's too long. Yeah. And we got to get to it quicker.

[24:57] That's what they sell. That's their business is to sell stuff that's awesome. And somehow or another, they think it makes them awesome. [25:03] Yeah, it's very weird like, you know, Zack Bryan. He's got a great song called the day. I think it's damn cold vampires are cold damn vampires. It's a great fucking song about fucking tongue twister. It's a great fucking song. It's about the music industry and it's about these vampires that are just. [25:21] Just sucking blood out of these artists. And it was a great song, the great line of the song, trying to make an empire. Right. [25:30] Of the things that you create. [25:31] They're making an empire from other people's work. That's what they're doing. But they somehow or another think that they're responsible and that they have an insight. I'm good at my job, Tommy Lee. And let me tell you something, kid. I know music. And that drum solo, 14 seconds too long. I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to show you these statistics. We've got a guy. We've got statistics. We've got the best guy, the best statistics guy. He knows when people are – and when they get to this fucking part of the drum solo, they tune out, Tommy. [26:01] We've got to stop them from tuning out Totally Because I want to get a Conus egg I want to get one of them fucking two million dollar cars These cunts They exist in every walk of life Where one person is like You know a creative type That's not business oriented And you need a business person So the business people come in Someone's got to sell it You're not going to fucking sell it What are you going to do? You're going to make your own record company? You're going to hire your own executives? Get the fuck out of here You can't Yeah

[26:31] So they come along and they get involved and they fuck it all up. [26:35] Yeah. And how many guys have listened to them and ruined their careers because they listened to them? Oh, man. Do you know the Billy Squire story? [26:45] So Billy Squire was the shit when I was in high school. He had that song, Lonely is the Night. Oh, my God. I love Billy Squire. Dude, the stroke. He was fantastic. And he did one music video. [27:01] where it was very effeminate. It was really weird. Oh, was it when he was in his pajamas or something? It was really weird. And everybody was like, nope. Yeah, what is he doing? Yeah, it was really weird. And to this day, I don't know if that was his idea or... [27:17] Or somebody else's idea? They just took a wild chance? I don't know. I pray to God it was his idea. Because at least, like, he's creative, made a creative decision, didn't work out, whatever. Yeah, fine. But if someone tanked his career because they wanted him to act feminine in a song... [27:37] It was like very the reaction was crazy because this guy was like a sex symbol. Yeah. He was like, you know, his shirt down to his, you know, open up down to his pants. Yeah. He was a bad motherfucker on stage. He could sing his ass off. He's a star. One music video tanked him. I think it was My Kind of Lover. [27:58] I think that was the song where... See if you can find what the video was. This is it? This is a documentary someone made on Facebook I found. About it? About this whole thing, yeah. Yeah, this is it. Yeah, so it was very weird. What song is it? Can you hear? I will...

[28:16] Yeah, we're going to have to cut it out, don't worry. [28:18] So it was somebody else's idea? Is that guy with the face? That guy with the face looks like the guy that would tell you. Totally. Yeah, he's crawling around on his knees and his hands on his knees. Yeah. It was weird. It was very weird. Fuck, what song was this? You know, like, if he was like, look at this. Look at him skipping around. It was very odd. That guy. That seems like the type of guy that would give you the bad advice. [28:45] What's the name of the song? I want to... Fuck. I don't know. I'll look up the song. Not familiar with that title. Yeah, I don't know either. But I know... Yeah, I get it. That was it. I remember that. And everybody's like, nope. [28:56] Yeah. That's a wrap. [28:58] And that guy should have had like fucking 50 giant albums. That guy was amazing. Such an incredible singer, man. So around. [29:07] Rock Me Tonight, 1984. Oh. [29:12] I have to cut that out. Yeah, we'll cut that part out. But you can see him dancing around. [29:17] Like, look at this. Yeah. Don't do that, buddy. What is this? He's like. Yeah. Don't do that. Yeah, we need you on the ground, swarming around. Hopefully. Hopefully it was his idea. Yeah. My God, if this was somebody else's idea. Like, I want you to be looser. I want you to be looser. I want you to be more free. Yeah. I want you to be like, I want to feel it. I want to feel your vulnerable side. I want you on your hands and knees. I want you crawling. This is what I want you to do.

[29:47] like this. Like you barely can crawl. Like you're having a hard time crawling. That's what girls like. Girls like a guy who struggles to crawl. Yes, dude. [29:58] Oh my god. What the fuck did you do to him? Oh my god. What did you do to him? I know. [30:04] I hope it was his idea. Despite its major success, the song is sometimes associated with the end of his career as a singles musician due to the music video. [30:12] which is described as one of the worst ever in a 2011 book, I Want My MTV, The Uncensored Story of the Music Video Revolution. [30:33] He has accused Ortega of deceiving him and altering his original concept, which Ortega denies. While Squire remains steadfast that the video was solely responsible for the initial decline of his popularity, other commentators are less certain. Well, I'm pretty certain. I remember it. I remember it. I remember kids in high school going, what the fuck, bro? Yeah. What the fuck is Billy Squire doing, bro? That shit's gay, bro. Because Billy Squire was the man. I mean, he could have been another John Mellencamp. [31:03] forever. For sure. Like, what the fuck, dude? 84. One song, one music video. Insane. [31:12] That is really crazy if you think about it. Yeah, it's nuts. It's nuts. Well, that's the craziest thing about, when you think about the success of Motley Crue and bands from your era, the fact that you guys endured for so long, like still to this day. Bro, if I'm working out in the gym and kickstart my heart comes on, I swear to God I get stronger.

[31:39] Whoa! Fuck yeah! Like, you get pumped, man. [31:42] That song's a drug. Yeah, that one, man, I can't tell you how fun, how rewarding that is to sit back and, I don't know, the Super Bowl's on and the fucking kickoff. Oh, dude. [31:58] Dude, we got to cut it out, but I want to hear it. Throw Kickstart My Heart on. We'll cut it. We have to cut it out for you, too, otherwise we'll get docked with the fucking money people come involved. Meanwhile, we're just promoting music, goddammit. [32:12] fuckers yeah right this is fucking here this fucking song oh is this live don't give me a live one give me the actual one bro that was one of the most american songs that's ever been made ever ever that song is fuel yeah you know that that song is fucking fuel if you were running in a race you're thinking about quitting and that song comes on your headphones you're like let's fucking go let's fucking go you know like songs like that they really do give you energy they're [32:42] Yeah, they're definitely – [32:45] They're injected. [32:47] Yeah, like changes your state, you know? I love that one. Isn't that fucking wild, the power that music has? Like the right kind of song. You know, everybody's different, but there's nothing better than like... [33:01] Fuck like I get yeah goosebumps bro. If something comes along that just any it gets inside you Yeah, it's fucking infectious and all of a sudden you're like dude. It's taking over my whole body. I'm fucking tingling. Yeah Hair standing up and you're like, what is that? Yeah, what the fuck is that like I want to fucking? bottle that up and try to recreate and

[33:25] whatever that is. Yeah, it's just an encapsulation of emotion with sound frequencies that just changes your physical state. It does something to you that's like, it's one of the most amazing creations that human beings have. [33:40] have ever done. One of the most amazing accomplishments that human beings have ever done is to just make incredible music. [33:47] Because it's one of the things that it affects us in a way that like nothing else. And you can hear them over and over and over and over again. Like a great joke is awesome the first time. [33:58] But after you hear it the second time, it loses a little of its power. The third time, it gets a little boring. [34:02] A great song. I can listen to it. Sometimes when I'm working out, I just put something on repeat. I'm like, I just want to hear this one song over and over and over again. And just wear the fucker out. Wear that fucker out. I don't care. It's so good. I don't give a fuck. I just want to feel it. Let's let it fucking go. And every time it comes back, I'm like, fuck, yeah. And we're back. You know? It's like... [34:23] It changes the frequency of your actual soul. Yes. Your body gets moved by it. You feel different. I want to ask you a question because you're into all this fucking crazy shit. [34:38] I saw somewhere... [34:40] recently, and this just goes along with that feeling, that euphoric feeling you get when the right notes or frequencies hit you. I saw that through sound... [34:54] Certain frequencies like some dude in China some doctor in China or is it Japan? has

[35:01] is this close to healing fucking cancer through sound. [35:08] Through frequency. Really? Have you seen any of this? I haven't seen it, but I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't either, because... [35:16] You know, it just fascinates me because there is those frequencies out there that you know about them, 432, 432 hertz. You heard about that stuff? Explain to people. [35:31] There's some weird, what do you call it, conspiracy theories about... Originally, our music like Bach, Beethoven back in those days was tuned... [35:44] to [35:45] 432 Hertz. [35:51] And this is the conspiracy bullshit part about it. At some point, and people say Hitler changed... [35:59] the tuning, the pitch of music. And now everything was raised to 440 instead of... [36:10] 432? Instead of 432, now it's at 440. It's up, and the frequency is more aggressive. And it was said that it was done to give the soldiers more fucking angst, and it would crank this music. Well, they were also given a meth. Excuse me? They were also given the meth. Between meth and Kickstart My Heart, it fucking's over. Imagine if the Nazis had Kickstart My Heart would have been a real problem. Dude, no.

[36:40] No. Kickstack, my heart, in German? Yeah. [36:43] This episode is brought to you by Dodge. I recently had the chance to get behind the wheel of the new gas-powered Dodge Charger Scat Pack, and it reminds me how much I love cars that give you an adrenaline rush the second you hit the gas. First thing that got me was the sound of the performance exhaust. It sounds awesome. Paired with a twin-turbo, six-pack gas engine. Mind-blowing. I love cars that sound like that. And then I tried launch control. It's fantastic. [37:13] horsepower, then goes from 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds with a top speed of 177 miles an hour. [37:21] And it's comfortable. [37:22] It's nice to drive. [37:24] Another cool thing, you don't have to choose between control and performance. You've got all-wheel drive when you want the grip, but you can switch it to rear-wheel mode and just have fun with it. Totally get why people are so excited about this car. I loved it. Check out the new Dodge Charger SCAT Pack. Learn more at Dodge.com. Dodge is a registered trademark of FCA US LLC. [37:45] This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. If you're looking for a new tent, jeans, gear, or anything really, there's millions of options to choose from. And finding the right one can take days or longer. At least when it comes to hiring, ZipRecruiter has a solution. Check it out for free at ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan. ZipRecruiter uses powerful matching technology to find exactly who you need fast.

[38:15] Their latest feature introduces qualified candidates who are very interested in your role first. [38:22] Cut through the standard. Get to the standouts with ZipRecruiter. Four out of five employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. And now you can try it for free at ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan. That's ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan. Meet your match on ZipRecruiter. Oh, my Lord. Yeah, that would have been a real problem. I'm just curious because I know that you're into that kind of stuff. [38:52] any sound [38:53] therapy or healing through frequencies if you've heard any of that. Well, I know people do sound baths where they'll do these meditation experiments where they lie on their back and they have someone that is making sounds. And there's something to it. But just think about what we're saying with Kickstart My Heart. When you hear a great song, it changes the way you feel. It changes your feeling. It gives you more energy. It really does. So obviously sound has a profound effect on the human body. [39:23] It's not just like you – there's a lot of aspects to a great song, right? It's the sound. It's also the messaging that's in the lyrics. It's like there's a lot going on. The voice of the singer, the visuals of everybody fucking rocking out on stage. Sure. That also contributes to it, but the actual sound itself is affecting your body in a very profound way.

[39:53] Sickness, I'm sure. I mean, if you were lying in a hospital bed and you felt like shit because you just had surgery, but you're listening to some dope music, wouldn't that be better than just listening to people moan in the next room? Like, ugh, fuck, get me out of here. Yeah, you're inputting something. Yeah. Something bad. [40:10] Nice. It should be a part of your recovery. Yeah, for sure. Getting positive vibes in, getting things that give you good feeling and good energy. I do that all the time, man. I'll sit at home when you're in the mood to not really listen to music but hear music where it's just playing in the background. And I'll just put – there's these YouTube videos of these beautiful Japanese gardens in Kyoto or whatever. [40:40] high-def shots of these just beautiful bonsai trees, koi ponds, big Milwaukee bonsai, like... [40:51] And it's just... [40:52] So chill. [40:53] And with that music, and I just put it on, and it's kind of on a lot, actually. And I find myself, that's where I go to like... [41:01] Just like, I don't know. [41:03] Yeah, it puts you in a different state. It puts me in a different space, you know? Yeah. I dig it, man. You got really into bonsai. Yeah, dude. How did that start? [41:13] All the times that we've gone to Japan, every time I went there, I always went to the Japanese gardens or the temples. And I'd walk around and just be like...

[41:26] my jaw on the floor. Like I've never seen anything this fucking peaceful and beautiful and, and, [41:34] Just like, I don't know, it just came over this feeling. Every time I went, it came over me, and I started studying. This is like eight years ago. I was like, I need this in my life somehow. I don't know what this is, but let me go down the tube here and figure out what that is and how I can get some of this into my life. And I found some fucking videos on doing bonsai work on trees, and I started, [42:04] stopped and it's been hands down the coolest fucking thing I've ever gotten into man like I'll be out there for hours every day like I'll start my day just being with nature and being with the trees that I'm working on and I got like a workshop dude it's like a there's like in progress works on the bench there's other ones I'm bending there's ones that I'm you know [42:31] uh, [42:32] treating for pests, you know. It's a whole world, wiring everything, training it to where you want to go, pruning. It's just, it lets me escape everything for a couple of hours. I just... [42:48] I just... [42:49] I don't know, man. I just check out. How many years have you been doing this now? I've been probably eight years now I've been doing it. Eight years. [42:56] And so is a bonsai tree a regular tree that would grow big if you didn't fuck with it? Yes. Yes. Okay. And then you can get it to this incredible, beautiful, artistic shape. Right.

[43:09] And it's small. Yes. You're basically, you keep kind of dwarfing it, and everybody gets this confused. And they just think bonsai is like... [43:23] That's the tree. Bonsai means... [43:26] tree and pot. [43:28] That's what that means, actually. It doesn't mean the actual bonsai tree. It means tree and pot. How long has the study of bonsai, how long has the practice been around? Dude, fuck. I have no idea. And you find that other parts of the world, now that you get into it, I mean, there's in Taiwan – [43:47] China there are some fucking insane bonds and I think it actually originated in China and the Japanese took it and [43:56] altered it in ways and did it sort of their version, but I think it originated in China, if I'm not mistaken. Something like that, yeah. 6th century China and they brought it back. Yeah. Ah, see, look at that. Bam. Fuck, dude. [44:10] Wow. Fucking Wiki Lee over here. So don't you have a tree that's 300 years old? Yes, I do. Over 300. Wow. I have two of them that are over 300 years old. So someone was working on them over 300 years ago. [44:27] Well, I... [44:28] Either that or it was collected maybe 100 years ago, and then over that time it's just constantly been cut back and cut back. But it's a part of a tree that's 300 years ago. Yeah, it's still the same tree, but it's always getting its roots cut. Is that it? Is that your tree, the 300-year-old tree? No, no, no. That's just a small juniper that I have.

[44:58] The 300-year-old one is a Redwood. [45:02] It's fucking trunk on it's like this and it's smashed into a pot about this big. That seems rude. It's about that way. For Redwood, it seems rude. Because if you go to like Northern California and you go to the Redwood Forest, they're fucking spectacular. [45:19] Those things are wild. Insane. That redwood forest is so incredible. There's the one that you drive through. Yeah. They caught a hole in it in the 1920s or whatever. It's really fucked. I can't believe they did that. But the tree's still alive, and you drive through the tree. [45:36] It's so crazy. [45:39] Yeah, that one I showed... [45:41] not too long ago in an exhibition. Oh, so you go to bonsai shows. Yeah, I just started entering some of my trees that I've been working on. I've done two so far. Just now, like just this year, entered a couple of trees. That's awesome. The rest of these other seven years or eight years of practicing is just learning, you know. What a cool hobby. Yeah, it's fucking rad, dude. It really is. It's also like the complete opposite of being a rock star. [46:11] Totally... [46:13] Like, what a great balancing tool. You know? I know, man. It's interesting because a lot of, you know, my peers, musical buddies, like, all of them are super interested. They're like, dude, what's up with the bonsai? Like, they're curious. They want to know. Yeah. Because maybe they've seen me, you know, maybe change a little bit over the years. Or they've seen how much joy it fucking brings me. Yeah. I think I want some of that.

[46:43] Well, there's something about like a Zen garden that you associate with like bonsai and peacefulness and clarity. Yes. You know, just peace of mind. Yes. Just clean mind. Like your mind is pure. You're like, you're really in the moment. [46:59] rather than just... [47:00] being a fucking mess ordering uber eats you know what i mean yeah it's like there's something that that's very spiritually attractive to people about the those practices yes and and that and that's it too it it really has a lot to do with sort of the the the culture of all of it like when you start going down that hole about design and all that stuff you start to you start to realize that [47:30] is with such fucking purpose. Like, you'll notice, you know, and I didn't notice this stuff until later. I was like, oh, I get it now. There's serious rules about how they build a Zen garden. You'll never find a straight path. [47:47] Ever. I don't care how far you look, you'll never find a straight path going through a Zen garden. They specifically and strategically curve the path. [47:59] to slow you down. When you get to, when you get, as soon as you walk into a garden, the number one problem [48:06] objective is to [48:08] get you to slow the fuck down. [48:11] and there's no straight path and everything you don't nothing becomes revealed to you until you come around that corner so you're always even if they're if you're going across a lake or a pond there's never a straight very rarely a straight bridge it's either arced or the bridge zigzags

[48:34] across [48:37] There's never a straight line. And what that's meant to do is get you to stop at each point. [48:44] corner [48:45] and look out and just take it in and fucking be present. And that's, to me... [48:51] It's like that's the deeper meaning of all this for me. It's really got me to slow the fuck down because everything is just kind of all the time. [49:05] that [49:06] It's just... I don't know how to explain it. It's hard to explain that state, but that's what I get from it. And every day, it's the best way to start. Start your day, man. It can only... [49:20] get fucking amazing after that because you're you kind of set yourself up for having a fucking super rad day like i do know what i mean like yeah yeah like i'm good let's go right well it makes sense i mean there's something about those zen gardens it's so attractive to people yes it's obvious there's something going on with that design with that flow of nature and the way it's artistically pieced together it's very exciting to people and you see it man i don't know if you've [49:50] You see it in a lot of them like newer architecture a lot of fucking designs and homes are being built with that sort of very minimal Japanese [50:02] flavor that is just meant to have your home be a peaceful place and not like a fucking museum or this or that.

[50:12] Yeah. Yeah. It's more it's more peaceful in the actual design itself versus like some house with big, giant ass fucking windows overlooking the big city and fucking rocks everywhere. And like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I've had that. I've done that before with the house on the top of the hill with the views. And I mean, the view is just kind of view doesn't really do anything. It's very different than having, you know, a beautiful winding. [50:42] sanctuary to cruise through. [50:46] I think nature is very therapeutic. And if you can put nature in an artistic form like a Zen garden, it's very therapeutic. [50:54] But that's a way better view. The view of nature is always a way – look, whenever I go to New York City and I'm staying in a hotel and I'm in the middle and you'll see all the buildings, like, wow, this is crazy. You're in the center of it. This is fucking dope. But I don't want to live there. Right, right. I like to visit. I don't think it's good for me, at least. I don't think it's good for my headspace to live there. I like to see trees. I like to see nature. I like to see green. I like to see things that are alive. That makes me feel better. Yeah. It's funny, dude. [51:24] I think I was a fucking tree, like in a past life, because I'm like, maybe you were a tree, too. I'm like you. Like, I don't know if you're like this. [51:36] gnarly about it but every time I go into a city the first thing I look at is the trees

[51:44] Like, whether it's a big city, wherever, I'll find the tree because that's the first thing I'm looking for. I don't look at the buildings. I don't look, you know, up and down. I'm always like looking for the tree. [51:59] Yeah. It's just... [52:01] I don't know, man. Well, human beings are very connected to plants. We're very connected to nature, period. It's one of the most brilliant things that the designers of New York City did is make Central Park. [52:10] have that giant park it's an enormous park in the center of the city i was staying at a hotel last year and it was like on the edge of the park and like from the window you look out you see the whole park like straight like this is fucking incredible that they did that because it's so big and it's it's just trees it's just trees and paths and little lakes and everything and go wander around like hey get the fuck out of these buildings for a while and it's like for a person [52:40] is gigantic. I don't know what percentage of people take advantage of it, but they should all, it would make them all better. It would all feel better. It's a little center retreat, man. Wow, an amazing one. It's fucking huge. How many acres is Central Park? [52:55] Let's find that out. Let's guess. I'm going to guess. 1,000 acres? 1,000. [53:03] If I had to guess, maybe 2,000 acres? How big is it? [53:07] 843 acres. So it's this amazing, huge park in the center of the biggest city in the world.

[53:16] And you see all these giant, crazy fucking buildings, and then none of them in the center. It's beautiful. Fucking props to those people or whoever that didn't sell that space. Because how many fucking vampires are trying to take over that and put a big, shitty-ass building in the middle of it? We don't need 800 acres. 500 acres is plenty. Plenty, plenty, plenty. We'll just make those 500 acres even better, and no one's going to complain. Put all a bunch of money to the fucking feet of the homeless and whatever we're going to do. [53:46] Whoever like held that down. They've lost a few parks. That's one of our shows that we do with the [53:53] Ari Shafir, Shane Gillis, and Mark Norman is Protect Our Parks. Oh. But we're not really protecting parks. We're just getting drunk and talking shit. But it's called Protect Our Parks because Ari, on one of the early episodes, was ranting and raving about they're going to fucking take down this park and turn it into apartment buildings. And they wound up doing it. They killed the park. Fuck. [54:12] Oh, man. Vampires. They just want to suck out all the trees and just make money, these dirty bitches. Oh, man. Pretty soon everybody's going to have no place to go, man. Yeah. Well, I think Central Park is safe, and that's the greatest park in the world. It really is. The greatest park in any city in the world. It's so crazy you mention that, because on the way here, I was flicking through Instagram, and I saw... [54:35] I... [54:36] I'm sorry that this happened. Some dude got killed. [54:42] One of the horses took, you know, the horse and buggy thing. Just fucking...

[54:47] launched and you see the dude that the horse flips the cart [54:52] Oh, no. And the dude gets flung out, and then he dies. He died on the way to the hospital. Why did the horse freak out? Do we know what happened? I don't. It didn't show it. It just showed, like, somebody else has had footage of it, like, just the horse freaking out. Oh, shit. And then peeling out, and you'd see the thing flip over, and you're like, oh, man, dude. You know, I love horses, and I'm not a fan of horses walking around the city. I think it's fucked. [55:22] of a buggy with a horse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's not right. No. A horse is supposed to be in the fucking fields and the mountains. A horse is supposed to be running around and eating grass. Clicking around on the asphalt. I don't know, dude. Fuck all that. I don't like it. It's just a gross touristy thing. I mean, it's cool to see them every now and then. Yeah. I know cops like to use them when they're breaking up riots and shit, which is kind of crazy. Yeah. But the reality is a horse is not supposed to be there. Just like a cow is not supposed to be there. [55:52] You'd be like, why the fuck is this cow here? This was likely an accident because the driver, yeah, the driver, I guess they call him, wasn't in the right spot, like left his seat. [56:03] What? Yeah. He left his seat. They're never supposed to leave his seat. It says to take maybe a photo of the passengers in the carriage and when the family was climbing back in. [56:10] Horse got spooked. [56:12] Oh, no. It happens very fast. Yeah, the driver's not in it. The driver's not in it, dude. It just peels out. Oh, fuck, man. And you see it just go and just make kind of a hard right, and the buggy just flips over. I don't fuck with horses, man. Yeah, dude. I don't ride them. I have ridden a horse before. I don't like it. Dude, same here. I've done it. I got my ass thrown off on. Yeah.

[56:42] I'm good. [56:42] I'm cool. [56:43] It's just not good. It's just – I mean, look. [56:47] If you're a cowboy and you're riding horses and everything, that's kind of a different thing. Sure. You know, if you're doing it every day, that's a different thing. But for me, it's like... [56:55] I don't need to ride them. I get it. For entertainment purposes. It's like I went to Thailand and we rode elephants. We had to ride elephants. And the elephants don't mind because you establish a relationship with them first. You feed them sugar cane and you pet them and you hang out with them. And they decide whether or not you're cool. And if you give them peaceful, gentle, friendly energy, they're like, sure, come on up. And they lift their leg up and you step on top of them and you climb on their back. And they gently take you through the jungle. But I'm like, I didn't need to do that. [57:22] I could have just hung out with them. That would have been plenty cool. I'm happy just feeding them. I don't need to ride them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like King Chimp. I'm King Chimp on the big-ass fucking elephant. Look at me. It's very weird. Yeah. It's weird. [57:37] But, you know, people like it, and they're beautiful animals. Oh, my God, they're beautiful. I don't need to ride animals. [57:44] I get it. People like to do it. I don't have a problem with people doing it, but it's not me. Yeah. I'd rather look at them. I'm with you. Yeah. But horses and people have like a crazy relationship. You know, people that have horses, like they're bonded to that animal like no other animal. Oh, yeah. [58:02] I know a few that are just like horse whisperer kind of shit, where you're like, whoa, this is... [58:09] This is some next level love. Yeah, they do a lot of... There's a therapy with that, too. They do decline therapy for a lot of people. I did that one time. Did you? At a rehab. They took us to have like a...

[58:21] couple of days just with horses, [58:24] And it was cool, man. [58:25] I get it. [58:26] Yeah. You get it. Well, again, it's like just like the trees and the forest. It's like something peaceful about horses. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Most of the time, especially if they're broken, they're pretty chill. They just want to hang out. Yeah. Yeah. You come up and pet them and they like it and it's like, wow. Like, oh. Yeah. Puts you in check. Their big-ass teeth freak me out when you're feeding them. Oh, yeah, dude. You don't want to get your fingers in there, dude. People have been bitten by them, too. Chompers. Someone's a dick. You get a horse annoyed and they bite you. [58:56] Bro. Oh, dude. [58:58] Yeah. That's got a fucking – can you imagine? All that jaw power. Dude. The size of their fucking head. Yeah. Just clamping down on your hand. Fuck you. I want a carrot, bitch. [59:12] Give me the fucking carrot. [59:17] That's so rad. You can smoke in here. Yes, you can. [59:20] Yeah, I smoke cigars. Of course. I'll fire up with you. All right. [59:26] how long you been smoking god [59:32] forever. You ever try to quit? I have, and I quit... [59:36] for [59:37] This is a few years ago. I quit for like... [59:41] Fuck! [59:42] Thank you. [59:43] I almost made it a year. [59:46] And then I was like, [59:48] I feel like after a few months, you're out of the woods. Yeah.

[59:52] I don't know. It just didn't last. It just didn't fucking last, man. What brought you back? [59:59] Um... [1:00:00] Oh, no. [1:00:01] You know what? [1:00:03] Probably because I was drinking at the time. Like, they kind of go hand in hand. If you're having a cocktail or a beer or whatever, you're having a smoke. Chances are. Right. Right. [1:00:13] and [1:00:14] I don't know, man. It was just, you're sitting there and you're having a drink and you're like, [1:00:19] Where's the cigarette? It's just I don't know. It's like rock and roll. They just go together for some reason. So I failed. [1:00:28] Well, why did you quit originally? What was the... [1:00:31] What was the thought behind it? [1:00:33] um... [1:00:35] I [1:00:36] *sigh* [1:00:37] Thank you. [1:00:38] I think I was just trying to quit fucking everything. You know, you're just like, that's it. Fuck everything. Yeah. [1:00:44] I'm just going to take a break and fucking hit the reset button on everything. I think I was going through that phase. [1:00:49] Because I hadn't ever tried that tried everything else but nothing um [1:00:56] uh, [1:00:57] And yeah, I don't know, man. [1:01:00] It's the last vice of a lot of people in recovery. Yeah. And then you got guys like Keith Richards who's just ripping cigarettes still. And I'm like, he's fine. [1:01:13] I've gotten my fucking lungs and done the whole like ProNuvo body scan to see all your shit. Yeah.

[1:01:24] They're like, "You're good." I'm like, "Are you sure? Wait, let me see the paperwork. Is this a different Lee's or a different guy?" Because that's fucking impossible. They're like, "You're good." [1:01:41] I was like, all right. So there's really no reason to quit. Well, it's actually a very small percentage of people. Well, first of all, it's a very small percentage of people that get lung cancer, the general population. And then when you add in cigarette smokers, it's a small percentage of cigarette smokers that get lung cancer. Oh. But – [1:02:04] More cigarette smokers get lung cancer than regular people. And so that's why when you look at the percentage of people that get lung cancer that smoke cigarettes, that's why it looks so high. So if you like, let's find the numbers. Put it into perplexity, please. What percentage of cigarette smokers get lung cancer? Yeah. [1:02:26] And I think it's less than 5%. I think it's a very small number. And then you've got to think, people that are smoking cigarettes, how many of them are smoking two, three packs a day? Oh, yeah. That's crazy. I don't know. And how many of them are smoking just a few cigarettes a day? I bet a lot. I bet a lot of people that are a little hesitant, they only smoke like a half a pack or a little bit less. [1:02:48] Yeah. So what does it say, Jamie? [1:02:50] And [1:02:52] It's still calculating? No, I was just typing it. Oh, sorry. Isn't there something about nicotine? When COVID happened, they were like, if you're a smoker, you're good. And I never got fucking COVID. Yes. And I was like, yay, nicotine. Well, there's something about smoking cigarettes that's supposed to be really good to prevent COVID. It's really confusing to people. So crazy. Yeah. 10 to 20% of people who smoke at some point in their lives will develop lung cancer.

[1:03:19] with many studies landing about 15%. I thought it was a lot less than that. A large study estimates that 15 out of 100 current smokers will get lung cancer. But that's estimated from a study. Another analysis found roughly one in seven current smokers develop blood cancer. [1:03:36] Thank you. [1:03:37] People who never smoke have a 1% to 2% chance of... [1:03:40] or a lifetime risk of lung cancer. Wow. Yeah, people who never smoke. Overall, only a minority of smokers get lung cancer, but smoking still causes about 80% to 9% of the lung cancer deaths. Oh, this is something we talked about yesterday, Jamie, that we forgot to look up. [1:03:57] There is some sort of a study that's connecting people that live in Europe that have high polyphenol diets. So they have – they use a lot of olive oil. Oh, yeah. And olive oil seems to protect – it's a very controversial statement because people think, oh, my God, you're promoting cigarettes. I don't think they're promoting cigarettes. They're just looking at data that these people that have high olive oil content in their diets seem to not have any problems with cigarettes or not have nearly as many problems. [1:04:27] Oh, wow. Yeah, which makes sense because olive oil is so good for you. You've got to think it's got to balance out a lot of the free radicals and bullshit that you're getting from life. It makes sense that it would apply to smoking as well. Totally. Yeah, I heard that. So smoke them if you've got them. Fucking A, dude. Get some extra virgin olive oil. Let's fucking go. Dip them. [1:04:49] Dip them like Sherm. Have you ever tried Sherm? A long time ago. Did you? Whoa. Yeah, fucking high school days, man.

[1:04:57] Thank you. [1:04:57] People in Europe who eat high polyphenol diets but smoke still face the full, very high health risks of smoking. Diet cannot cancel out cigarette damage. It can only modestly improve overall risk markers. But there was an article that I had read that they were connecting it. [1:05:16] They were talking about Europeans... [1:05:19] Yeah, here it is. Especially Mediterranean-rich plant diets consume substantial polyphenols from fruits, vegetables, and whole grains, tea, olive oil, and wine. Polyphenol intake is linked to better cardiovascular risk profiles and lower long-term heart disease risk and overall mortality in observational studies. Because that's the other thing about cigarettes. It's not just cancer. It's also heart disease. [1:05:43] And so polyphenols have antioxidants and anti-inflammatory effects, but current evidence does not show they can neutralize the cardiovascular cancer or lung damage risk from smoking. [1:05:56] What it means for smokers. Oh. Eh. Haters. [1:06:00] you have to have some vices [1:06:05] Most of the people I know that in Alcoholics Anonymous, they fucking drink coffee every day and they smoke cigarettes. Yeah. Big percentage of them. Ripping cigarettes. Yeah. Because it gets you a little high. Yeah. But it's like a very manageable high. Yeah. Like the cigarette high is like, oh, I'm all right. Yeah. It's just like a little lightheaded. Yeah. Okay. But also like good for cognitive function. [1:06:26] You know oh

[1:06:28] Like, you know Pink Floyd, when they wrote the wall, they were high as fuck on cigarettes. Those guys smoked cigarettes all day long. What? Yeah. Yeah, those dudes smoked a ton of cigarettes. Get out of here. Yeah. Oh, is that coffee, dude? Yeah, get in there, dog. Fuck yeah. Thank you, bro. My pleasure. Yeah. [1:06:43] Yeah. Tony Hinchcliffe told me that, and he's a giant cigarette fan. [1:06:48] Stephen King said that too. When he stopped smoking cigarettes, it affected his writing. Oh, whoa. Yeah, his synapses just didn't fire as fast anymore. Whoa. It's like that was one of the things that I really noticed when I quit smoking. [1:07:02] That's wild. Yeah. [1:07:04] Huh. [1:07:05] Doesn't that make sense, though? It does. I remember quitting for a short time there. I remember everything tasting better. [1:07:14] I'm sure. Oh, shit. Yeah, like everything just tasted better. Yeah. Of course. Pounding a cigarette immediately following every single meal or drink. It's got to numb the inside of your mouth in some way or dull your senses. Something. You're caking it with smoke. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Clog up the old taste receptors. Yeah, dude. Yeah. [1:07:36] But a lot of creative people swear by cigarettes, man. [1:07:40] Mmm. [1:07:41] I think there's some benefit to it. Yeah, hopefully. No, I think there is. I think there's some cognitive benefit. There's just way too many super creative people and a lot of intelligent people, a lot of professors use tobacco. David Gilmore says he never smokes cigarettes.

[1:08:00] David Gilmour. But didn't Roger Waters? This goes on to say that some of the band did smoke cigarettes, but it's more about their marijuana and hashish smoking than tobacco. So Tony Hinchcliffe spread misinformation, and here I am repeating it. He could have been told, though. Yeah, I'm sure he was told. Well, Roger, we all did hang out with Roger that one night. [1:08:22] That was pretty dope. We got to see Roger Waters live and we came on the podcast, we hung out and then we went to see his concert. It was insane. It was insane. I bet it was fucking rad. He is another legend was still like full power on stage. It's incredible. That's the best. The show was amazing. And it's like he has these enormous screens behind him. So the show is like it's the music, but it's also these incredible visuals that you're watching while the music is playing. [1:08:48] And his is so politically loaded, so you see all this crazy shit while he's singing these songs. When they're playing The Wall, it's like, fuck. Yeah, I remember seeing one of those tours. Maybe it was. I don't know. But The Wall is slowly building over the whole set. It's fucking crazy. And when we went to see him, Ari was high as fuck on acid, and he's crying. In the middle of the show, he's crying. Like, man, he's weeping. It was fucking phenomenal. Oh, my God. Dude. [1:09:18] I don't know if I could handle that. [1:09:20] Yeah, I don't know either. Jesus. Get the fuck out of here with the acid. We're just going to go see the concert. I'm not doing that. Yeah, dude. [1:09:28] Fuck. Around all those people? I know. I'd probably...

[1:09:31] I don't know if that would be a good one. Probably not a good one, but Ari's an experienced passenger. You know what I mean? He could ride some waves. Good boy. He could ride some waves without throwing up. [1:09:45] Do you ever look back and just say, God, it's a... [1:09:48] wonder I'm still alive. Dude, I told you earlier, I pinch myself on a daily basis. [1:09:54] I really do. [1:09:57] Like, I shouldn't technically be here. [1:10:00] Right. Right. [1:10:01] maybe you shouldn't I don't know who knows [1:10:05] We all got our thing, but, oh, man, I'm really lucky to be here. [1:10:09] And I think it's because I want to be here like [1:10:13] um... [1:10:14] You know what I mean? Like, I want to be here. Like, I want to fucking see... I'm kind of pissed because... [1:10:21] I feel like we're not even close to where we should be. [1:10:24] I mean, the year 2000, where's my fucking spaceship? [1:10:37] They're extremely late or it's never going to happen. I think there's a real problem with people flying around. They lied. The problem with people flying around is you've got to catch them. [1:10:48] You know what I mean? Whereas if they're on the street, just close off the street and then you catch them. Right. Yeah. If people are flying around. Way too much freedom. Like if someone drops a bank and they go brrrr. Yeah. And they just go off. Like, no, no, no, no. You can't have that for everybody. Yeah. You've got to have people corral in nice, like very clean lines. We can block these lines off. Very obvious paths. Use lights to start and stop. Fly over them in helicopters.

[1:11:18] Spotlight down on them. So you follow them around. That's what people like. They don't like this idea of the jets and... Like, that's not... Fuck! I want that, dude. I want my own little... Well, they do have flying cars now. I saw some of those. There's a couple. There's like one company called Jet One. It's like this little... It looks like a little... It's like a one-man drone for helicopters. I'm like... Yeah. Me and my manager were always like, should we fucking get a couple of these? You don't want to die that way. [1:11:48] Let those things get worked out for a few years. Yeah, it probably needs a little bit more time for it to be soup. Yeah, man, because think about how glitchy early cell phones were. You know what I mean? Dude, right. Let that shit get ironed out. Yeah. Let the eggheads work on that for a little bit, polish it up nice, fix all the bugs. Yeah. I don't know what happens when those things crash. Do you get a warning when they're about to die? Do they run out of batteries? [1:12:18] Is it allowed to run out of gas? Can you just be an asshole and just fly until you run out of gas and die? Yeah. Or, you know, I think I could make it home. Like, how many guys have done that in their cars? I think I could make it home. [1:12:32] When I was in high school, my friend picked me up in his buddy's 1970 Chevelle. It was fucking amazing. Oh, nice. It was so dope. And I remember he ran out of gas, and we coasted perfectly right to the gas station. No way out. It was like we shut the car. We got out. I was like, that was amazing. Because, you know, we were 16. We ran out of gas at the pump. I was like, this is perfect. No pushing. No nothing. But if you're in one of them little drones, and that shit goes on E...

[1:13:02] Yeah. [1:13:04] It's fucking parts. Yeah. Yeah, not good. Did you see that documentary that they did about that kid that stole a plane? [1:13:16] He stole a plane. He was like working at an airport and he stole a plane and hijacked it and then flew it and crashed it and died. Yes. But he's like having conversations with them. Yeah, he's talking to them going like, I don't know what I'm doing, man, but, you know, this one's for the, I don't know. Yeah. He's just, and they were just like, I could run it, dude. Well, they were trying to get him to land it. They were trying to, but they were trying to get him to land it. But the reality was, like, he's no way he's going to figure out how to land that thing. He's a dead man. The moment he got off the ground, he's a dead man. [1:13:46] and he just stole the plane and there's a whole documentary about it [1:13:50] It's apparently very interesting. [1:13:52] This episode is brought to you by Squarespace, the home of my website, JoeRogan.com. If you want to level up your business, you've got to improve your website. Squarespace gives you everything you need to get a fully custom website, offer services, sell products, and get paid all in one place. [1:14:22] Rogan to get 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. [1:14:27] This episode is brought to you by Visible. It's officially summer, folks, and boy, what a summer we are having. It feels like one of those good old-fashioned summers where you just want to enjoy every moment and keep up with the action. Your best companion this summer? Visible Wireless. Visible gives you unlimited 5G data and unlimited hotspot powered by Verizon for just $25 a month.

[1:14:57] It's unlimited wireless designed to always keep you connected with no contract to tie you down. Switch today at Visible.com, plan start at $25 a month, or get our premium Visible Plus Pro plan and save $10 on your first month when you use promo code ROGAN. Terms apply. See Visible.com for plan features and network management details. [1:15:27] I'm trying to talk him down, and he just seemed like that wasn't an option. He just seemed like this was – He was ready to wrap it up. He was taking this – that one flight. Yeah, ready to wrap it up. Yeah. Hope your insurance covers this. Okay. [1:15:46] But, yeah... [1:15:47] I think flying cars will probably be a thing one day. [1:15:51] For 70 minutes, the world watched in disbelief as a stolen Horizon airplane soared over Puget Sound for crashing on a remote island. Now a new Hulu documentary reveals the man behind the controls and the quiet struggle that led him there. Oh, I got to watch this. What's it called? Sky King. It's what? Sky King, it's called. Sky King. [1:16:10] Poor dude. Oh, damn. [1:16:13] Well, at least they gave him a rad title. Yeah, well, the unfortunate thing is that might encourage other people to do it as well. Yeah. People are very stupid. Dude, people are stupid. I just released a song called Stupid World a couple weeks ago, and that's exactly what that's about. It's literally we have gotten to a place where everything, to me, like we are at just epic, stupid proportions,

[1:16:43] goes by where i'm like that's fucking ridiculous that's stupid like how stupid like how stupid can we get anyway i wrote this track it's called stupid world well you live in la which is one of the stupidest fucking places on earth dude i know it's fucking insane i'm like and i'm doing the same thing too like why do i live here i mean i love i love it there but in the same amazing [1:17:13] places on earth. The weather's perfect. Yes. Most of the people are very friendly. [1:17:17] Most of the people are cool. You know, it's like... [1:17:19] It's only a percentage of the people that suck. It's a large percentage, but it's only a percentage. The majority of the people are cool. The problem is it's like slowly becoming a new Detroit. [1:17:32] It's like slowly the film business is like dried up. [1:17:37] Yeah, like completely dried up television, completely dried up. [1:17:41] Late night TV, it's dried up, man. And that was fueling a giant... [1:17:46] part of like what made LA special. I know. And it's just dried up, man. Nobody has to be there anymore. And they make it intolerable. They make you seem like you have to be there. So they just punish you with taxes and they punish you with regulations. They punish you. They make it everything. Very difficult to conduct business. Very difficult to be safe. Very difficult to just feel fucking normal. Yeah. And they get surprised when people leave. Like, what do you want? Yeah.

[1:18:16] think you're doing to that place? You guys can see the statistics. Stop fucking gaslighting the world. You guys fucked this place sideways and you'd want to keep doing it. And the weirdest thing is, you know, like, you know, you hear and you see, oh man, fuck, a bunch of people are leaving LA. And part of me is like, fuck yes. Get the fuck out of here. There's too [1:18:43] Nothing's really changed and I don't really notice that people have left. [1:18:48] Traffic still the same? [1:18:50] A bunch of shit's exactly the same, and you tell me this many people left? I don't see it. And I wonder if that's... [1:18:57] Not maybe a, I don't know, a hyped statistic. Yeah, it's not a scientific analysis. No, like the numbers are real. People have left L.A., but it doesn't matter. You could lose 5 million people and L.A. is still too big. The traffic's bananas. Dude, it's fucking retarded. It's bananas. If you want to go to Orange County at 4 o'clock or shoot yourself, that's a real decision. Drive to Orange County at 4 o'clock in the afternoon. [1:19:27] fuck am I doing with my life? This is crazy. Yeah. And don't even think about hitting the 405. No. At all. Like, no, no, you're going to have to go some sideways. Yeah. You're going to have to go some, you're going to have to use ways. Yeah. And even then you're fucked. Even then it's an hour and a half. If you live in like Irvine and you commute to LA, good. God bless you. Dude. God bless you. Yeah. How do you do it? I don't know. People do it every day. They just

[1:19:57] Yeah, just try stuff. But I got to work in L.A., fuck it. I'll just drive in every day. Just fucking mad and just hate. I would get up at 5 in the morning and just go to the gym. [1:20:07] That's what I would do. I'd get up five in the morning, drive to L.A. I'd get a membership in L.A. at the gym. That way I'm driving with no traffic at least one way. At least getting there, I have no traffic. Yeah. And then you deal with the home commute. Doing it both to and from, fuck you. Fuck you. I'm not doing that. It's too gnarly. I'd rather get up at five in the morning. [1:20:29] I can't imagine even doing it once a day. But there's a lot of people that do three hours a day minimum in their car. [1:20:36] They really live 20 minutes away. If they didn't have traffic, they would be there in 25 minutes. [1:20:44] That's pretty crazy when you realize all we have here on this planet is time, and you realize that kind of time... [1:20:53] You're wasting. Wasting, and you're never going to get back. And you're like, if I do this consecutively every single day, I wonder what – add that time up over, you know, whatever – [1:21:06] however many years and I'll bet you people would freak the fuck out yeah you lost years I just lost years of my life in the fucking car yeah [1:21:17] But the good thing is one thing you can do in the car is listen to books on tape. Yeah. And books on tape are amazing. And, you know, podcasts, too, for some people. Yeah. But for me, it's a lot of it is books on tape because, like, you'll get lost in a book and it doesn't even really bother you that much.

[1:21:36] And one of the crazy – if you have a Tesla, my Tesla does auto driving. So if I want to, if I'm leaving here and there's some crazy traffic for some reason, I just go doot doot. I just turn it on and it goes. Right. [1:21:50] I don't have to hit the blinkers. I don't have to change lanes. I don't have to stop at red lights. It does. [1:21:56] Everything. De-strust. And all I have to do is just keep my fingers on the wheel. [1:22:01] Just like this. Oh, to make it look like you're awake? No, you're supposed to stay in contact with the wheel and just keep your eyes on the road. But you don't have to think at all. [1:22:09] You can't do that. You're not supposed to do that. It probably would still work. I don't even know. What happens if you just go to sleep? I think it shuts down after a second. It probably recognizes that you're doing that and shuts down. But the reality is, like, that as a stress decoupler, [1:22:23] There's nothing lying there. Oh, man, the best. You just put your fingers on the wheel and just chill. And now all you're doing is sitting for an hour and a half. Instead of like constantly hitting the brakes, constantly hitting the gas, constantly hitting the brakes. Now you're just chilling and you can get to just like listen to your book on bonsai. Right. [1:22:38] Yeah, no, that is nice, man. I don't know about you, but like if I start like... [1:22:43] you know you start reading a book [1:22:45] Just, you know, your eyes focusing and reading. They get tired. [1:22:50] So you get more in listening to it, an auditory version of it, rather than, for me at least, sort of eye-stressing on reading and doing all that. I get tired and then fucking lose interest. Yeah, there's definitely something to that. Reading always makes me want to go to sleep. Yes. Especially reading at night helps me fall asleep. But there's also something about reading in your head.

[1:23:19] Because you create the voices and you create everything. Like you use your imagination when you're just reading that doesn't exist with books on tape. But with audio books, I don't have the time. So for me, it's a time thing. Like if I have a guest coming on and the guest is like an astrophysicist that has some very bizarre theory about something, I need to absorb the information and I have a limited amount of time. So I listen to audio books in the gym. I listen to audio books in the sauna. [1:23:49] the way to work. And so that all together is a couple hours in a day. So I can do that and get a lot of information in where I wouldn't, I don't have the couple hours to sit down and just read. I just, I don't, I wish I did. I don't. So I can still get all that data and that information, but I have to be very diligent about actually listening. That's the thing. Cause especially at [1:24:14] You can get a little... [1:24:16] just distracted, and you're like, what the fuck did he just say? And you have to back it up. When that happens, generally, I just shut it off. I'm like, this workout's too intense. I can't really pay attention. Yeah, you're going to... [1:24:26] What do they say? Do what you're doing when you're doing it? Yeah, yeah. People think they're multitasking. Right. That doesn't fucking exist. You really... [1:24:37] Yeah, whatever. You're sort of multitasking, but you're robbing from Peter to pay Paul. Thank you very much. Yeah. You're taking away some of your attention on what you're doing to pay attention to this other thing, and it's definitely making you less good at either one of those things.

[1:24:51] And if one of them is very simple and it's like it doesn't matter, okay, you could be distracted. Right, right. But if it's two important things, you're robbing each important thing. You're robbing attention from these things. Yeah. There it is. Yeah. There it is. Well, I've always found that, like, my best workouts are in silence. [1:25:08] It's like, you don't, it's so hard to work out. Like you really need to only be thinking about what you're doing. Yeah. And if you add in a bunch of stuff. [1:25:15] Except music. [1:25:16] Music is always fuel for workouts. That's different. Sure. But books, it's like music you can listen and then stop listening. You could be in the middle of a set. It doesn't distract you with lyrics. It just gives you some energy in the air. Yeah. Music is the ultimate companion for working out. Yeah. No doubt. No doubt. So much so that David Goggins doesn't use it because he says it's cheating. Right. [1:25:38] what he goes he's cheating you know because he's just a complete total psycho is that that like uh is that that like uh ultra marathon guy yeah okay i thought it was the live forever guy the oh no no that's brian johnson that's the guy who like has his son's blood injected into yeah that dude i'm sorry i'm confusing david goggins is a totally different guy he's the navy seal who uh run he i think he [1:26:03] How many ultra marathons did he run in a month? [1:26:05] something insane [1:26:07] He runs 100-mile races, and he's like an insane fitness freak. Oh, wow. And when he works out, these workouts were like famously he'll take professional fighters, and they work out with them, and they can't keep up, and they're just throwing up. They just can't believe how much this guy works. And he's doing it easy where he's just talking to them the entire time, and they can't keep up. He finished eight 100-mile marathons in eight consecutive weekends.

[1:26:32] So he ran 800 miles in eight weekends. [1:26:38] *pfff* [1:26:39] He's a nut. Fuck. And he does like – [1:26:41] He'll be at home and just decide, I'm going to do a 60-mile ruck right now. [1:26:48] and just throws on a backpack, gets outside, and starts rucking. [1:26:52] And they'll just do 60 miles. And so he'll go out there for hours and hours, just decides, this is what I'm going to do, and I'm not stopping until I'm done. And he does it all the time. Whoa. He's in insane shape. And he's 50. [1:27:03] Wow. He's in... [1:27:04] Good for him, man. He also has no knees. His knees are completely destroyed. All from pounding on them. They're bone on bone. He's had a ton of operations. Doesn't care. Keeps going. [1:27:12] On bone on bone. [1:27:14] Like, but it's just a maniac. It's a complete and total maniac, but he doesn't use music because he says it's cheating. Wow. That's amazing. But that just shows you I like to cheat. I like to use that music. I like to cheat. I need to cheat to get that energy extra. I mean, I can do it myself, maybe, but why would I when I go, I mean, give me that fucking, give me that fucking music. Yeah, man. [1:27:44] that yeah that's that's that's not cheating i don't think of it as that's called an inspiration yes it's an awesome supplement that's what i call it there you go but for him it's all about mental strength and so he considers it cheating to use that mental strength like to your mental strength should be right from your brain he goes you can't always count on that music that music's not always going to be there like okay

[1:28:06] I guess so. He kind of has a... I get it. Do what you're doing. For what he does, he kind of has a point. [1:28:13] Yeah, I could see that. He's focusing. Yeah. No distractions. Yeah, he says he's gaining knowledge. He says, I'm gaining knowledge. I'm acquiring knowledge. I believe him. I believe him because he's thinking he's going into the dark realms of his mind. Whoa, dude. Intense suffering, running 100-mile races eight weekends in a row. He's doing some serious other work while he's running. That's the real deep introspective work. [1:28:43] run eight 100 mile races in eight weeks imagine those conversations you're having with yourself what the fuck am i doing no dude you got this you got this no dude you're an idiot no bro fuck yes [1:28:57] I think he probably used to have those conversations. Now it's just battling demons. It's all just demons, just crushing down negative thoughts, crushing down weakness. [1:29:08] You know? [1:29:09] I know. [1:29:10] Fuck. There's a lot of different kinds of people in this world, Tommy. Yeah, there are, dude. It's pretty crazy out there. And I bet you've met every variety of them. Just about. Oh, my God. [1:29:20] That's funny Wow, I know there's some crazy people in this world. Yeah, there is but we need all of them You know, we need our Tommy Lee's we are David Lee Ross. We need our you know, we need our David Goggins We need all those people. That's what makes the world beautiful is that there are so many different people you can meet someone like fuck I never met a guy like him. That's nuts. Yeah, that is what it is wonderful. I

[1:29:45] Isn't it wonderful? I mean, you must have met every fucking human being that's ever lived, practically. Dude, I feel like it. [1:29:53] Just about. [1:29:54] Ha ha ha ha. [1:29:56] I mean, you've been famous since what year did Motley Crue really break out? [1:30:02] 80. [1:30:03] That's nuts. Yeah. Boy, that world was a different place. Bro. [1:30:10] The world was a different place. No internet. No cell phones. Who was president in 1980? [1:30:16] Uh... [1:30:18] Was that even Reagan yet? [1:30:20] Uh... [1:30:21] Mm-hmm. [1:30:22] Almost. When did Reagan become president? Yeah. [1:30:25] Yeah, fuck. Reagan was president when I was in high school. Who the fuck? That was in the 80s. [1:30:33] What year, Jamie? Started in 81. 81. So 1980, Reagan wasn't even president yet. Fuck, who was president? Had to be Jimmy Carter, right? [1:30:43] That sounds right. Wasn't it Jimmy Carter before Reagan? [1:30:46] Yeah. Yeah. So is Jimmy Carter. [1:30:48] And Ronald Reagan. [1:30:50] Whoa, dude. Wow. Isn't that nuts? Mm-hmm. 1980. Mm-hmm. What was that scene like? [1:30:56] Bro. [1:30:57] That was still to this day. [1:31:01] um... [1:31:03] Motley did... we did this movie called The Dirt and it's... [1:31:09] based on our autobiography, [1:31:13] from certain years, from this year to this year. And it kind of like, it shows how it fucking was and...

[1:31:23] One of the coolest things ever is when I see emails from fans or questions from fans, and they're like, dude. [1:31:35] Was it, and these are from like, you know, 18-year-old kids are like, was it really like that? [1:31:42] when you guys were rocking shit like that. I was like, [1:31:45] 100% they're like [1:31:48] Fuck. [1:31:49] We're... [1:31:51] And they're bummed. They're like... [1:31:54] We will never die. [1:31:55] ever get to experience that. Fuck! It was just full on till the wheels fall off. You could get away with fucking murder. Literally. There's no phones and no... This was... [1:32:13] at a time where anything [1:32:17] Anything goes. [1:32:19] Pretty much. [1:32:21] How old were you in 1980? In 1980, I was 18, 18. [1:32:27] Jesus Christ. 18, 17? So you're blowing up at 18 years old. How the fuck did you manage? I know, dude. Look at that picture. That's crazy. That looks like a picture from like... [1:32:43] 1940. Right? It's like a fucking world. I know. Even the font from Motley Crue looks ancient. Totally. Wow. [1:32:53] God, dude. Does that even seem real when you look at that picture? Um...

[1:32:58] Look at our fucking little cheesy cloth backdrop. That's dope. Those are the wrinkles in the fabric. That's the whiskey. The whiskey. Too fast for love. [1:33:07] Fucking great song. And that fucking drum riser, that... [1:33:12] Right there with the lights in it and stuff. [1:33:15] my dad fucking, and my dad, myself, and my drum tech, we built that riser, dude. [1:33:23] Like it had fucking switches. [1:33:25] My dad was a mechanic. [1:33:26] All right. [1:33:27] And so my dad built, he, you know... [1:33:31] He's like, you need a drum riser? All right, let's go. I mean, dude, he would, my dad would build us pyro. Fucking he, like, drilled out these, or cut these big blocks of wood, ran electrical prongs up through the wood, and then you take a little small wire and you connect the tube, put a pipe over it, fill it with gunpowder, and we'd be out in my backyard, dude. [1:34:01] in the neighbors and be the all sudden is like [1:34:03] Fire! [1:34:04] there's these fucking mushroom clouds in my backyard and the neighbors are like what the fuck is going on and my dad like he just he loved it he's like making bombs lighting rigs drum risers and he would drive me he would drive me to the gigs and uh [1:34:24] In his van with all my shit. Like, I had the best dad fucking ever, by the way. That's awesome. Yeah. And here's a mechanic, okay? Look at this fucking setup, bro. This is nuts. Oh, dude. Right? The hamster wheel? Yeah. Yeah.

[1:34:38] That is crazy. Yeah, that's nuts. Bro, you were doing drums like halfway upside down. Dude, the thing was gyroscoped. It went around, you know, right to left, back to front. [1:34:49] What is it like trying to play the drums from that position though? That's got to be very weird. Dude, it is insane like I had to [1:34:56] Like I had to change so many dynamics like think about it instead of gravity Instead of gravity pulling your hand down right right now you've got to push and [1:35:11] Oh, yeah. You're upside down, so it becomes three times harder physically, and also you had to make adjustments. So I don't know how much you know about drums, but on your pedals, they're flip pedals for your bass drums, right? Well... [1:35:27] And those are chain-driven things. [1:35:29] pedals, footboards, so when you go upside down, [1:35:34] They fall. [1:35:35] So I had to put springs underneath the pedals to keep them taut so they would stay up. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. So I had... And with cymbals, they... [1:35:47] They're meant to hang a certain way. They're not meant to hang upside down. So I had to make all these crazy adjustments technically to pull it off. But we figured it out with the hi-hat too, because the hi-hat would, you know, the two cymbals, they would just, if you're upside down, they just... [1:36:05] They just go open. Right. So I had to do another spring as well to keep that closed so I could manually drive it. It's all this crazy shit. Why did you decide to do that? Like, what was... It just...

[1:36:17] something rad? You know what? That all started, and it's kind of been my thing throughout history, and every year I do something fucking different and crazier, of course. Everybody's like, what are you going to do next year? What are you going to do next year? Um... [1:36:32] That's sort of like that's where it all started and it really started when I went to go see it was fucking crazy [1:36:41] Pat Travers. [1:36:43] Do you remember Pat Travers band now boom boom? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, they're anyway They're cool, and I want to go see them and [1:36:53] and Tommy Aldrich was the drummer. And this is before Motley. I'm just like, whoa, dude. I'm like a fucking kid standing on the chair. Fuck yeah. Right. And it's drum solo time. And he's a badass. And he's fucking ripping, dude. All you see is sticks flying and hair fucking going. He's shredding. And I'm looking around. [1:37:16] And I'm watching people go get a beer, people going to pee, going to get a T-shirt, going out to the lobby to fucking smoke a joint. I don't know, whatever. Everybody's kind of leaving, and I'm like... [1:37:29] Where the fuck is everybody going? That guy is murdering the fucking drums right now. And y'all are like... [1:37:36] He failed to capture their attention. And from that moment on, I went, I need to figure out, A, how to give the audience a better view of what you're actually doing there because people can't see. It's not like a guitar where you can see.

[1:37:55] Oh, that's the roller coaster. That's the crucifly, dude. That's so dope. That's the latest one. That thing went from the front all the way to the back of the fucking arena or stadium. That's crazy, dude. And then it starts... [1:38:12] It starts twirling as it's going down. Oh, my God, you're upside down. That's so sick. Look at that, dude. That is so sick. [1:38:21] The audience must go bananas. Yeah. At one point, the roller coaster comes down, and it's literally almost over. They could almost touch you. Wow. Look at that shit, dude. I think that is the worst. How do you not get a crazy head rush when you're upside down banging on the drums? Dude, it is so gnarly. I'm wrecked. It's nine minutes total. Must do a lot for your core, too, right? Hold yourself. [1:38:44] Dude, I'm on the oxygen bottle. When I finish, I go all the way out and then I do it all backwards. Whoa. I go back and do it backwards. And by the time I get done... [1:38:56] I'm sitting there with the oxygen going... While Mick does a guitar solo, I just need a couple seconds because I am fucking done. I can imagine, man. It's incredible cardio. It's insane. It's like shadowboxing for minutes at a time. Hardcore, super fast. Yeah. I've always admired the physical fitness. Or on the punching bag. Yeah. Just constantly. And you know what that's like, man. After a fucking minute of that, you're like... [1:39:22] I know. The physical fitness involved in playing drums must be really crazy. If you didn't play drums for a few years and then picked it up again and started again, it would probably take forever to get that endurance back. Forever, dude. When you're going off, dude, you're so fast. It's so fast.

[1:39:42] Everything's fucking moving. You're pounding your feet and everything. Like, fuck, man. It's one of the most athletic things in all of music. It really is, man. [1:39:52] I was like, [1:39:54] Okay, how come I've weighed the same weight since fucking high school... [1:40:01] till today. Right. And I'm like, that's fucking weird. And I eat kind of whatever the fuck I want to eat. Like I don't just know I don't like diet or have some strict, you know, regimented food program. I was like, [1:40:15] I got a C. I got one of those. This was years ago. It was like a pedometer. You clip onto your shoe like joggers would use it. It was like the old version. You just clipped it on your shoe and it told you how many miles you did. Like a little tachometer. Not a tachometer. Yeah, I know what you mean. Pedometer. So I'm like, I get one. [1:40:39] I clip it on. I'm like, I'm wondering what, how many fucking miles I'm doing after a two-hour show. Right. [1:40:47] I don't know. Fuck. Who knows? I know I'm sweaty as fuck. And I'm after the show. All I hear is ringing in my ear and I'm fucking wrecked. I'm done. And I fucking took it off after the show. And I looked down and it said 13.3 miles. And I was like, so that's why I don't fucking. That's why I'm just skinny. Fuck. And like, I just I'd sweat it out.

[1:41:17] Parker, same deal. Same deal. Yeah, I mean, he works out a lot as well, but it's like same deal. Yeah, yeah. [1:41:22] It's like incredible amounts of cardio. The amount of I wonder how many calories you burn in a two hour show. It's got to be off the charts. Yeah, that I haven't measured just because it's not just jogging. It's not like you're running 13 miles. Obviously, you're sitting still. But the pounding of the arms. Yes. Yeah. And the breathing. You need to get a fucking. Yeah. It's like, God. Yeah. Everything's going, man. You're firing on a whole cylinder. For sure. The most athletic thing in all of music, for sure. [1:41:49] Nothing even close. [1:41:51] Right? Yeah. No. I mean, playing guitars, you're moving your hands and everything, but it's not nearly. Drums are like a... It's more like a sport. It really is. [1:42:01] Like, you don't see a really out of shape drummer. No. You know? It's almost like you can't be to keep up. No, I know. And everybody's... You're kind of like... [1:42:11] you're the fucking heartbeat man you you're really everybody's coming you know people say you're you're only you're only as good your bands only as good as your drummer and that's really fucking it's really true and I'm not just saying that because I'm a fucking drummer but the drummer has a lot of responsibility man everybody you all the people that you see out there that are fucking moving [1:42:34] I'm I'm responsible for a lot of that I'm not saying it for all of it right you sort of set the pace you know [1:42:43] And and you you're making people physically move yeah, it's like not that's that takes It takes a lot of work, you know, so the amount of energy you're putting out you're getting back and you're seeing it You're like fuck I'm driving here and

[1:42:59] Yeah. And that's a that's a cool place to be. But it is a responsibility and it is physical and it's training. But but it's fucking right. I live for it. Did you take lessons to learn how to drum or did you learn on your own? [1:43:12] I... [1:43:14] I didn't really take lessons. I learned on my own. [1:43:18] Until, I mean, like kind of early in high school, I played in the marching band, but that wasn't really like drums. That was like more like drum corps stuff, like rudiments and like, you know, [1:43:33] drum corps shit, not really the whole kit. Until later, I got to school, my high schooler let me... [1:43:41] or sorry, my grade school, to let me borrow the jazz drum set at the school. [1:43:48] bring it home and then i started just like listening to my favorite shit and i would just play along and so i never really took any physical lessons i just it was just in me man i was just like i'm really good at hearing something and going oh okay i got it did you have to learn how to hold the sticks do you hold the sticks in a conventional way that like like you're taught or did you just figure it out on your own um just i just figured it out on my own just [1:44:14] probably just moved on from the forks and the spoons. It's interesting how many great musicians learned on their own. Yeah. Like Hendrix. Hendrix taught himself to play guitar. That's why he played it upside down, left-handed. He just made it work. Yeah. Yeah. Just figured out how to do it on his own. It's really interesting how, like with, you know, when you just get an instrument and listen to other people use it and learn how they're doing it and just kind of fuck around with it and figure it out.

[1:44:44] way, of course, and then, whoa, then you got your own thing, which is wonderful, man. Well, if you think about early rock and roll versus the way drums are played like you play or like Travis plays, like some elite drummer plays, it's like drums are so much more powerful now than ever before. I know, man. And then that thing happens, I don't know if you've ever been around like a drum circle, [1:45:10] the more drummers there are, like, all of a sudden, it just becomes this thing. It grows into this tribal, like, dude, everybody's just being moved by rhythm. Yeah. And, fuck, it's so powerful. It's like, you know, I don't know. That kind of... It's a more aggressive power than the kind of power where you can make somebody fucking cry playing the piano. Right. Playing the right chords. Right. I'll watch them cry. Yeah. Right? Yeah. [1:45:40] fun man there's nothing better than than rhythm man [1:45:44] That's... [1:45:45] I live for that shit. No, I can tell. I was getting in trouble all the time in school because I'd always be like... Always, always. Can you stop tapping on the tables? Yep. Yep. [1:45:57] Sorry. I'm going to sit back in the back of class and be like, [1:46:01] *punch* [1:46:02] *sad music* [1:46:03] making like water drip noises. Everyone's looking around for a leak. Class clown. Well, there's something about drums that it's like a part of like tribal culture, like from the beginning of human time. Like people pounding on drums.

[1:46:20] For war. Yeah, they pounded it on ships to keep pace with the rowing. You know, there was a guy that was the drummer on a ship. Yeah. You know, to make sure everybody keeps pace. It's kind of wild. Isn't that cool? [1:46:33] then there's something about the sound of drums that's important. [1:46:39] The heartbeat. Do you ever fuck around with bongos? [1:46:44] Oh, sure. Yeah, those, a lot of handed instruments, mongos, congas. I just, the last couple of years, been playing a hand drum. People call them a hang drum, hand drum. You know them? Have you seen them? They're like, they look like a fucking flying saucer. [1:47:14] and depending on how the instrument's tuned [1:47:17] stuff but that's been a lot of fun that that's cool like [1:47:21] sort of [1:47:23] a different kind of rhythm, but... [1:47:26] It's a soothing one. It's a total opposite of the aggressive shit. Right, right, right. Well, I mean, it must be fun since you've been playing drums for so long, just experiment with different things. [1:47:39] Mm-hmm. [1:47:40] I love that, man. I [1:47:43] I'm always searching [1:47:45] a new sound, you know, a new percussive sound that moves you, makes you fucking...

[1:47:53] I don't know, that gets inside you. [1:47:55] Right. [1:47:57] I'm always on the hunt dude. I'm such a tweaker like you know find something that sonically sounds like a drum It could be a drum. It's not and I'll make it I'll turn it into something that sounds like a drum and all of a sudden, you know, I [1:48:11] that, you know, I don't know, hitting on these elkhorns or something sounds like [1:48:16] A woodblock... [1:48:18] But pitched way, way down, it more sounds like a note going, oom, oom. I don't know. I love percussion and rhythm, so I'm always fucking around trying to find... [1:48:31] find something that [1:48:33] moves us, you know? [1:48:35] That's my job. Yeah, that's a cool fucking job. I'm here to move you, man. It's a cool fucking job. Yeah, I like it, man. It doesn't suck. No. It doesn't suck. No. When you're working on a new song, when you're creating a new song, what is your process? Do you have a beat in your head? Do you sit down and just start fucking around until something comes to you? Like, how do you do it? You know what? It's always different. I wish I could say I had like a... [1:49:05] thing. I really don't, man. Like, you know, it'll be something that happened to me or something I'm experiencing. Well... [1:49:14] spark a word or a [1:49:16] chant all of a sudden [1:49:19] You know, then I'll pick up a fucking guitar and be like, oh, this is killer. Or sometimes they come with a beat. I'm like, oh, this is a fucking killer beat. This would be great. And then I'll start with a beat.

[1:49:29] and then add guitars. It's never really, there's not really like a format. I just kind of go with whatever sort of inspiring me at the time that I feel like I need to write about. [1:49:42] um [1:49:44] Yeah, there's not really like a way. I know a lot of people have a methodical way. Like, well, I start with the lyric first. Always the lyric first. Nothing else is important. Okay, dude. Why don't we get people to move first before you try to seduce them with these fucking crazy words? Actually, no one's going to even... Spoken like a true drummer. No one's going to even get to these fucking words if you can't get them to... [1:50:10] Stay listening right or to move it. They're like oh, this is nice There's nothing like is not the key moment when you're like, ooh, I [1:50:18] This is cool. Before you've even heard a lyric or a melody... [1:50:23] That's kind of my... [1:50:27] My priority is like, is it moving me? Yeah. Okay, let's go. It seems like having a bunch of different methods to get there is probably better anyway. Yes. Because there's all sorts of different paths to get to the prize. Right. And having a bunch of different methods of creativity is probably better. It's going to freeze you up more. It's going to give you different results, right? Yeah. Instead of being, okay, well, it's going to start to sound the same if you keep using the same method. Yeah.

[1:50:57] Yeah, yeah, yeah, paper. [1:51:00] Yep. [1:51:01] Do you ever write on a computer or do you ever just write in your own head? I use the computer a lot, too. [1:51:08] A lot for demos, that's a really quick way where I can... [1:51:14] I can present a song to the band where, you know, fuck, I play guitar, sing, drums, bass. So I'll bring in demos that... [1:51:23] Totally created by you. Yeah, just sound finished. You know, it's like, okay. And then, you know, and we'll go from there. So, yeah, I always try to, like... [1:51:35] you know, not finish everything entirely because... [1:51:40] When you're in a band with three other guys, also create, kind of leave it open for that. [1:51:46] But yeah, I'd use the computer a lot to sort of compose the ideas and get them recorded [1:51:51] Thank you. [1:51:53] sort of produce them. [1:51:55] It's really beautiful that – [1:51:58] Motley Crue hit in 1980, here we are [1:52:01] 46 years later and you still love it. [1:52:06] I know. That's so awesome. Isn't that crazy? That's what everybody wants in this life. [1:52:11] Something that they're passionate about that remains... [1:52:15] passion. [1:52:16] It stays, and if anything, grows as a passion. [1:52:20] Still exciting, still enticing, still captivates you. [1:52:27] I know. The world was a different place.

[1:52:30] Think about where we were in the universe in 1980 and how the entire solar system is spiraling through the galaxy, which is spiraling through space. Like, we've moved how many fucking million miles? I don't know. [1:52:47] Since 1980. I know. That's hard to think about. You know, have you ever seen what the... You know, we always want to think about the sun being in the center of our solar system and the planet spinning around it. But have you ever seen what the whole solar system looks like, like moving through space? The whole thing's moving through space. It's not stationary. It's not like we're sat there and we're just spinning around. Yeah, and everybody else is just sitting there. [1:53:17] So in 1980... [1:53:19] We were in a totally different spot in the universe. [1:53:24] That's crazy. [1:53:26] That is crazy. The world was different. People were different. Information was different. Our version of reality was different. Everything. Everything was different. Fuck. Fuck. [1:53:39] And you wrote it out from answering machines to pagers to fucking sidekicks to iPhones to the Internet to everything. Like, remember the Motorola brick phone? Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude. You were a pimp if you had one of those. Look at it. This is what it looks like.

[1:54:00] This is – see, most people think our solar system looks like, but this is what it actually is doing. [1:54:06] Oh, it's how our solar system actually moves. [1:54:09] So look, the sun's hurling through space, and all the planets are spinning around it as it hurls through space. Isn't that crazy? Where is Earth there? [1:54:18] Earth is the third planet from the sun. Oh, yeah. [1:54:21] The blue one right there. Dude. So just think about that. How many rips have we done? Yeah. How many rips have we done? [1:54:28] since 1980. Bro. We're in a different place in the fucking universe than we were in 1980. [1:54:36] How far? Let's ask this. How far has the solar system moved through the universe since 1980? Let's ask perplexity that. [1:54:46] Oh, my God. This is one of the best uses of AI, stupid information like this. Yes. Yeah, it is. [1:54:54] It is. [1:54:56] I'm going to guess. [1:54:58] 100 million miles. [1:55:01] Just a wild guess. [1:55:05] I have no idea. I might be off by 100 million. [1:55:09] Well, let me see what it looks like. [1:55:16] Roughly two to three. I think a light year is a trillion miles. [1:55:20] Whoa, dude. Two to three light years through space. Okay. How many miles is a light year? [1:55:26] Put that in. [1:55:27] I didn't say miles. Right, but how many miles is a light year?

[1:55:37] I think it's a trillion miles. [1:55:41] Fuck, we're going in. [1:55:43] Oh, a light year is 5.88 trillion miles. [1:55:46] Dude! Okay. Okay. [1:55:47] So think about that. [1:55:50] Think about how many trillions of miles... [1:55:54] Earth has traveled through the universe since Motley Crue bust out onto the scene. Dude. Think of that. And a trillion is a thousand billion, right? Yes, a thousand billion. How many thousand billion miles has the Earth traveled? [1:56:11] move through. So it was like two to three [1:56:15] It was two to three light years? Mm-hmm. Okay. [1:56:18] And each light year is how many trillion? [1:56:21] 5.88. 5.88. How about that? So you're dealing with roughly 15 plus trillion miles? Dude, we're old. [1:56:34] Old as fuck. 1980, I was in junior high school. I don't know about old, but fuck we've traveled. We have fucking traveled. Yeah. We have fucking traveled. Damn. But that's a freaky thing to think about, how far... [1:56:48] We're in a different place in the universe. [1:56:51] Well, I thank you for that bit of information. That's nice to... [1:56:55] to [1:56:56] I don't know. Just to think about it. Dude, you know how many miles I fucking traveled, bro? Yeah. Yeah. [1:57:01] 15 plus trillion just since Motley Crue bust out onto the scene. What was it like being that famous at 18? That ought to be nuts. Yeah.

[1:57:11] It's fucking bizarre, dude. [1:57:13] Like a [1:57:14] Don't even know how to explain it. Just imagine having the [1:57:20] the fucking... I don't know, the keys to the fucking... [1:57:26] Ah. [1:57:27] pretty much anything you wanted to do try what was the first crazy thing you bought when you first started making cheddar for first thing I bought was uh at was my a fucking dream car it was a fucking 82 Corvette t-top nice tops popped out what color it was a champagne color ooh nice it's kind of silvery gold kind of yeah [1:57:55] Fucking rad, dude. Like, all my whole... I don't know, when you're a kid... In 82, the Corvette was one of the only American cars worth buying. [1:58:04] Because in 82, they were still dope looking. Pull up a 1982 Corvette. [1:58:09] Yeah, they're still fucking rough. Mustangs looked like hot dog shit in 82. They looked fucking terrible. They looked terrible. Camaros looked like shit. Everything looked like shit. They were all like plastic garbage. That's still dope. Yeah. That's still dope today. That's the color I had, dude. Look at that. That's the one. Look at that. Make that bigger. Look at that. That is a fucking dope car today. Yeah. It's one of the only American cars from 1982 in 82. [1:58:38] that looks dope today. [1:58:39] Like pull up a 1982 Mustang.

[1:58:42] Mm-hmm. [1:58:44] The 1982 Mustang is going to make you want to vomit. Oh, dude. [1:58:48] I know a lot of people that are like fans of the Fox body. Oh, hell no. Look at that. What is that? Garbage. Bro, that looks like a gremlin. It looks like straight horse shit. That's whatever the fucking Russians did to us to make this fake car. [1:59:05] Or really the Nixon administration by fucking blocking drugs. Look at how ugly that is. That is fucking disgusting. That is, dude. Look how fucking disgusting that is. Now I want you to do this. [1:59:18] Pull up a 1969 Boss 429 Mustang. [1:59:23] Put up the pinnacle. The pinnacle of muscle cars. Look at that, motherfucker! Yeah, right? Right? [1:59:32] Look at that. Fucking A. Look at the difference between 1969 and that fucking dog shit 1982. Extended hemlock. Look at that motherfucker. Look at that thing. God damn. Marka. That's a real car. That's badass. But they blocked the drugs. They kept those car makers from having drugs, and they all make garbage, except Corvette. Corvette still stuck with that style, because Corvettes were fiberglass, so they weren't [2:00:02] of like the shapes you know they had those cool swervy lines to them and they kept those until oddly enough the 90s they started getting shitty in the 90s yeah look at you dog yeah there it is look at you dog wow that's crazy that's nuts dude i wonder who's got that car

[2:00:21] I don't know. Somebody has Tommy Lee's 1982 Corvette. Somebody. [2:00:26] They have to. [2:00:27] You know that thing's still running. [2:00:29] Yeah, probably, hopefully. Yeah. Well, a lot of those, they take them and make resto mods out of them now. They put like a modern engine and modern brakes and everything so they handle better and modern suspension. Yeah. I immediately fucking... [2:00:43] Me and my buddy just took that car and fucking put a fucking blower and an injection on it. It was fucking insane, dude. In the glove box. This is before, like, now we have, you know... [2:00:59] a bunch of super rad tuned exhaust, you know, uh, you know, straight pipe shit loud as fuck. This is before that. And we, we made a couple of cutouts and in the glove box, like if the cops are to come, you just open the glove box and take these two, they're like choke levers and you pull them, pull them out. [2:01:20] And the flaps would disconnect them and just go straight from the headers out and bypass the mufflers. Oh. So it would just be like, ah, ah, ah. [2:01:31] And if the cops are coming, you just push these to choke. [2:01:35] levers in and back to the mufflers all quiet yeah they have switches for that now a lot of cars like custom-made cars they have exhaust switches that do that but they don't do it to that extent where [2:01:49] Yeah, that was fun. That must have sounded fucking amazing. Dude, so rad. Yeah, I mean, there's nothing like rock and roll and muscle cars. Those are two things that are completely connected forever. Yeah, another fucking rad car that I never got, but I always wanted to, was the fucking Shelby Cobra. Oh, yeah. The big fucking pipes blowing right, just loud as fuck. Like, four-inch exhaust. Yep. Dude, that shit's throaty and just nasty. Tiny little car.

[2:02:19] A glass car. Yeah. Go cart with a 427 in it. Crazy power. No weight at all. It weighs nothing. Yeah. It just does burnouts the whole time. It's getting too much. I have a buddy of mine who has one of those. It's nuts. But it freaks me out. It's like there's no protection here. If you get in an accident, there's like nothing to this car. Yeah. You know? You have no roof. You don't even have a roll bar. It's like just got this little tiny windshield. You're behind the wheel of an engine. Just a giant engine with four wheels. Yeah. You're done. Yeah. [2:02:49] bad move pretty dope yeah super rad yeah like one of those like look at that fucking dude i'm sorry but that's the fucking sickest shit radical looking oh look at the flared wheel thing is too they make a lot of recreations now yes the old ones are worth like millions of dollars dude i know yeah [2:03:09] But you can get a recreation and experience the exact same thing. Sure. There's a ton of recreations now, and they're fucking great. [2:03:17] And they look the same. And it's like, yeah, it's not worth as much money, but who fucking cares? Just go drive it. It's awesome. Yeah. [2:03:23] Yeah, if you just enjoy it. Look at that thing. Jeez. Bro, look at... [2:03:26] Ah, that thing slammed. Carbon fiber. Oh, my goodness. Look at that fucking thing. It's all carbon fiber. Oh, fuck. That must weigh 14 pounds. Let's go get a couple, dude. Dude, who's making that? [2:03:38] Click on that link. Who's making that fucking thing? [2:03:40] real. [2:03:41] Yeah, it probably is. [2:03:43] Well, I know, yeah, Classic Recreations, that same company that does those dope 67 GT500s. They're making a classic...

[2:03:52] recreations a thousand horsepower oh dude dude it weighs 2 300 pounds that's nuts [2:04:00] A thousand... [2:04:01] The carbon fiber body is only 88 pounds. [2:04:07] Unbelievable. So it's 2,000 pounds of suspension, frame, and wheels and engine, and that's it. [2:04:17] Look at that. That's sick. That's so sick. That's just fucking straight trouble right there. That's going to get you in trouble. Or not. Or just enjoy yourself. Just fun, yeah. But it's America, fuck yeah. Fuck, I love those cars. [2:04:32] What else did you buy that was nuts? [2:04:37] Um... [2:04:38] When they first came out, [2:04:41] Me and my bass player bought, like, almost fucking at the same time, the Ferrari had come out with the Testarossa. Oh, the Miami bass car. Totally, dude. Yeah. [2:04:54] had a car broker find me a black-on-black one. Oh, man. And it was just like, fuck. [2:05:01] This is insane. The listeners will probably appreciate this. You buy... [2:05:06] A fucking car for $200,000 at the time, $250,000 for the Testarossa. [2:05:12] get it shipped from, it came in from... [2:05:15] From Florida to L.A. I'm pulling the plastic off the seats. It's brand fucking new. Back it down the fucking car carrier.

[2:05:24] I'm in the dudes kind of show me you know what's up and I [2:05:29] I fucking... [2:05:30] I look to the right of the steering wheel, [2:05:33] There's like a like a looks like a cover. So I grab it and you open it up at that Where the stereo would be I open it up and [2:05:44] and I go, [2:05:45] Where's the stereo? [2:05:47] The guy goes, oh, Enzo... [2:05:52] believed that the music... [2:05:54] that you should be listening to. [2:05:56] is the sound of the engine. [2:05:58] And I'm like, well, that's fucking rad and everything, Enzo, but bro, I just spent a quarter of a million dollars and I want to fucking crank shit loud as fuck here and breaking the speed limit. Like, come on. [2:06:13] Who does that? And so I had to go. I got a stereo. At the time, there was no subwoofers. There was a bazooka tube was available. You could drop. There's no room, too. So you could get a bazooka tube behind the seats. Right. And some fucking, you know. [2:06:32] for a subwoofer and some other speakers in the doors. Decent door speakers. Yeah. Decent. They were only decent back then. Yeah. And I had an Alpine receiver. Right. And I got it to bump, but I just found it fucking just shocking that, like, that much money for a car and you still don't get a stereo? What? It's pretty ridiculous. Yeah. But they did sound incredible. And I totally get it.

[2:07:02] make, it's just like, it's heavenly. It's totally different than the American sound of the muscle car sound. The muscle car sound is my all-time favorite, but there's something melodic about those Ferrari angels. [2:07:17] There's like a sound just like it. Oh, there's a sound that it has. It's like, it's so spectacular. It's just engineering and it's wine and pasta and a fucking windy road. And totally, you know, bonjour. [2:07:32] Wah! Wah! [2:07:35] Fuck yes. Fuck yeah, man. Oh. Those things are the best. There's something special. And again, what is that? It's a piece of passion. It's artwork. It's artwork that's made into an engineering form. Yeah. Yeah. [2:07:48] That we get to play with. Yeah. [2:07:50] basically a race car. Yeah. You know, [2:07:52] Like a friend of mine, we were talking about like Ferrari. You think Ferraris are worth it? I go, listen, man, rich people aren't stupid. [2:07:59] They're not stupid. If Ferraris weren't worth it, they wouldn't keep buying them. Have you ever driven one? Yeah. No, trust me. They're fucking worth it. Yeah. Like, yeah, it's a ridiculous amount of money. It's not worth it really for a normal person. Yeah. But if you have like an insane amount of money and you could experience that, the thing Ferrari fucked up on big time is they took away the manual transmission. They fucked that up. Yeah. They fucked that up. Porsche is the only one who kept it. [2:08:29] You got a fucking... That gated shifter where you're clacking them in there in a Ferrari. Yeah. Bring it back. Cut this shit. Yeah. Guys are silly. Dude, did you see the fucking electric car they just released? Which one? The Ferrari? That was dog shit.

[2:08:47] Dude. They fucked that up. Hardcore. That looks like a joke. It looks like that looks like something that someone made for just to get engagement online. Like it's fake, but it's real. [2:08:58] I know. I couldn't. I was like, this can't be real. It looks as ugly as those 1982 Mustangs. Yes. It looks like a Porsche. Maybe pull a picture of the Ferrari electric car. Oh, yeah. Yeah. [2:09:09] Look at Ferrari. Look at it, dude. [2:09:11] It looks so boring. What the? And so nothing. Nothing. [2:09:15] Look at it. Even inside, you're like, this looks like cheap dog shit. Yeah. Yeah. [2:09:19] I don't understand it. I don't get it either. I thought it was like a joke. I know. You know, like, you know. Like, look at this. It's got suicide doors, which is kind of dope. That's kind of cool. But you know what is really dope? On a 65 Continental. Not on this fucking thing. Look at ugly, ugly fucking monstrosity. That's funny you mention that car. That's another one of my favorites. Oh, 65 Continental. Oh, yeah. Fucking. I know a guy who's got one for sale that's a resto mod. [2:09:49] Oh, boy. It's a 65 black convertible with the suicide doors, and it's just mint. It's mint. And it's got a new engine in it, like a modern engine, and it's got fucking a perfect suspension in it. It looks so radical. There's something about that car, especially in a convertible, the 65. The convertible, that's my jam right there. Good luck parking anywhere. Yeah. Might as well be parking a yacht. It's a fucking boat, dude. It's so big. It's so big.

[2:10:19] It's so big, but it's so sick. It's just I can't understand how Ferrari can make. Now, I want you to pull up a Ferrari 458 Italia. [2:10:28] So I think the 458 is their masterpiece. I think it's the best-looking Ferrari that they ever made. There's a lot of them that look great. There's a lot of them that are amazing. But for me, there's something about when they came up with the 458, it just, they nailed it. You look at that. Oh, my God. Look at that fucking thing. That is a great thing. [2:10:47] work of art yeah it's so beautiful and it it's a lot of people think it's the greatest ferrari ever when you draw and also doesn't have a manual transmission which sucks a fat dick but other than that go back to that last picture that you had of the that one look at that one make that bigger look at that color oh it's a shitty picture but god it's fucking beautiful [2:11:08] Amazing design. Those are beautiful. Now think of the company that made that. [2:11:11] Also made that, go with that black one right there where your cursor just was. Click on that one. Oh, baby. Look how sick that is. Yep. And how do you go from that to that electric piece of shit you guys just released? I don't know. Fuck you. Fuck you. [2:11:25] Fuck you for doing that. How dare you? I bought an F8. [2:11:32] Tributo, which is very similar to... Yeah. And that fucking car is... [2:11:39] badass. [2:11:40] No, they make incredible cars. They make incredible. And somehow or another, less douchey than a Lamborghini. I don't know how they did it. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like.

[2:11:50] Something about a Ferrari that you have when it's sophisticated, you know? Yeah. Whereas if you have a Lamborghini, like, look at this douchebag. Yeah. Meanwhile, Lamborghinis are awesome. Yeah. They're awesome. But why is that – why are they, like, attached to – I guess because – [2:12:06] it's kind of like [2:12:07] I don't know. [2:12:08] Uh... [2:12:10] I don't know, maybe rappers or something started leasing them. I don't know because they used Ferraris too. It doesn't make any sense. It's like there's something about them that's more ostentatious, is more obnoxious. The doors. Yeah. It's just too showy. I know. I have a buddy of mine who loves Ferrari. He's a rich guy and he loves Ferraris. I can't drive a Lamborghini. I'm like, why not? He's like, it's just, I feel like a douchebag. [2:12:35] I'm like, okay. I know what you're saying. [2:12:40] Oh, why? Yeah. Because Lamborghinis are fucking amazing. Yeah, they fucking, too, have an amazing sound. Oh, yeah. Different from Ferrari. Exactly. A little higher, whinier. But sick. But they bark. I mean, they bark. [2:12:51] Like what is the latest Lamborghini? [2:12:54] They have some crazy new one that they just released last year. It's insane. It's as wide as a fucking trailer. It's huge. [2:13:03] XJ... I don't know the name of it. I've never had a Lamborghini. Yeah, me either. I drove one once on a track. It was a little loose. Which one's that? [2:13:14] Tamera. [2:13:15] Tamarino. [2:13:16] Termo... [2:13:17] Temerario. Temerario. That looks amazing. Yeah.

[2:13:22] Whoa, dude. [2:13:23] Yeah. Ooh. Yeah, that's pretty... [2:13:25] I'll. [2:13:26] That one. There we go. Huracan. That's another sick one. Oh, the Huracan, yeah. [2:13:30] That's a little smaller and lighter, I think. [2:13:33] Yeah, dude. [2:13:35] It's also amazing. You give an 18-year-old kid that kind of power in a car and you're still alive. [2:13:43] I know. I know. Oh, dude. [2:13:47] Fuck. [2:13:49] Those kind of cars will definitely check you, keep you in check, too, because it's not until over 100 miles an hour is getting closer to 200 miles an hour to where you're in that car and you're like... [2:14:07] It hits you you go if I make one fucking tiny little error here and [2:14:14] It's over. [2:14:16] Yeah. The motor's in the fucking back. Yep. And if this thing runs off the road or whatever, it's just going to accordion... [2:14:26] Right into me. And you're done. [2:14:30] It's kind of amazing you just buy one. I thought about that now. They have the new Corvette ZR1. It has 1,000 horsepower from the factory. So you could just go into a Corvette dealership. If you got the cash, slap down some money, and you have 1,000 horsepower car that goes 0 to 60 in two seconds. And you just go out there and be like, bye. Good luck.

[2:14:54] Be safe. Yeah. What are you doing? How are you allowed to have that? [2:15:00] pilot's license to drive one of those things totally or just you know racetrack only whatever right but imagine you're an 18 year old rock star here you go dude you got one and back then the corvettes like yours especially when you put a blower on it those fucking things had no traction control they had no anti-lock brakes there's no nannies there was nothing to protect you no it was just madness this is pure madness [2:15:27] Did you ever take it to a track or anything? No, never did. Have you ever driven around a track? Yes. You ever done that? Yes. That's fun. Yeah, that is fun. Yeah. That is fun. I went to, I spent some time at the Skip Barber School. Oh, really? Yeah. Of course, the Libra in me has to fucking learn about everything, about the apex and studying. Right. Like, there's a lot of physical and, you know, technical things about driving. Oh, yeah. [2:15:57] going into a turn at fucking 100 miles an hour you're going to [2:16:02] fucking die. I was like, I don't know. We're definitely going to spin out. Yeah, learning how to do it was really interesting to me. It was really interesting to realize the lines that you take. You don't just go in the middle of the track all the way. No, you're hugging the outside edge, then the inside edge, and cutting the lines to make a quicker time, and knowing when to brake, and knowing when you accelerate. It's so interesting. It's a lot, man. Very technical. Yeah. A lot more technical than anybody would ever think.

[2:16:32] car like no no no there's a lot of decisions to be made there's a lot going on especially on a really windy turn like this that's what coda looks like that's the track circuit of the americas and that that one is like there's so much turns and there's a long straightaway you could really fucking get after it right yeah and it's not even about the acceleration a lot of times it's about the braking yeah i mean breaking and turning dude it's like that's one of the things that i say like [2:17:02] great car because it's like an amusement park ride. Yes. [2:17:06] Even when you're not even going fast. Just driving normal speeds around. It's like if you're shifting your own gears and you hear that engine, it's like, ah! Yeah, yeah. It's like an amusement park ride. You know? It's not just – you're not just driving a car. You're absolutely right. You're experiencing something that, you know, the other people are – if you're driving that stupid Ferrari piece of shit electric car, you're not experiencing that. No. You know? No, no. You're just grooving on the emblem. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they got you. Yeah. That could have been a Hyundai easily. [2:17:36] Dude, I couldn't believe it. I was like, they did not do this. Well, I hope they rebound. I hope they smack somebody who made that and go, hey, bro. They will. I think one of the designers was one of the guys who was involved in designing the iPhone, and it fucking looks like it. No. That's why it's got all the... Yes. Yes. No. That guy's awesome. How did he do that? That started to make sense. I was like, okay.

[2:18:06] to him about it Mike what kind of cars do you have [2:18:08] Do you have a car? [2:18:10] What do you drive? And if he's like, I drive an Escort. Like, fuck you. Okay. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. I have a Prius. Go eat shit. Eat all the shit that's ever been shit. Fuck you. Out of the design room. You can't design a fucking Ferrari just because you made an iPhone. You're going to make it look sleek and plain. Yeah. No, it's got to look like art, you motherfucker. So I was paying a quarter million dollars for this thing. And now a lot more. [2:18:37] I think the electric car is, I want to say three... [2:18:40] 300 and... [2:18:42] I bet they're going to sell two. Right. Two retards. Yeah. Two fucking super rich retards are going to buy that fucking thing. Ain't nobody going to spend $400,000 on this electric thing. Meanwhile, the other cars they make are fucking... Yeah, I know. What the fuck are you guys doing? What is the latest one? What is the... [2:19:03] What is their main one now? The sleek, the advanced version of the 458, like the one they have now. What is it called? SF. What the fuck is it called? SF90? SF90. Yeah, that's what it is. SF90. That thing's insane. That's gorgeous. Yeah, dude. That's a gorgeous car. My favorite. How do they go from an SF90? They're selling that at the same time as they're selling the Sunkajang. SF90 is one of the best-looking cars ever. Yeah. Fuck. [2:19:33] Pull up a picture of one of those, Jamie. I'm on their website. Dude, have you seen the body style? I love the LaFerrari. The body style and the LaFerrari. Yeah, that's it.

[2:19:45] That's the one. Oh, dude. [2:19:47] That's got some LaFerrari in the ass end. Oh, so this is like all the cars they've ever made, Jamie. I'm on their website. Yeah. Oh. No, I understand. [2:19:54] This is all the cars that they make and all the cars that... That's gorgeous, man. That is gorgeous. Hit the LaFerrari. [2:20:02] Yeah. [2:20:03] Dude, the... [2:20:05] Thank you. [2:20:06] Look at that thing. Jesus. What is the F-80? [2:20:09] Click on the F80. Oh, my God. [2:20:12] gorgeous gorgeous [2:20:15] when it says all models, [2:20:18] They don't have the... [2:20:21] What is it? [2:20:22] What I was looking for, I was trying to find what, I went to the website to find the newest car. [2:20:26] I know, but I think some of them, it's not the newest car. It might have been last year or a year ago. [2:20:33] well they would [2:20:35] I might be sharing it somewhere on here, I would imagine. [2:20:39] No, it's real, Jamie. I'm not wrong. Okay. I'm just saying just Google – pull up an image of Ferrari – [2:20:47] 2024 Ferrari SF90. [2:20:50] Then you'll see it. [2:20:52] there it is, that's it [2:20:55] The wind. That's one that's like prime for racing. But you go to images, please. [2:21:01] There we go. [2:21:02] That's it. [2:21:03] So how does a company make that? [2:21:07] Like, look how gorgeous that is. [2:21:09] That's incredible. That's so beautiful. I know. How does the company make that? [2:21:13] Johnny Ivey piece of shit. Fucking thing. There was like three dudes. One dude, I guess, designed the iPhone, and there's two other designers involved. They probably worked for Lamborghini. They're probably spies. They probably infiltrated and decided to ruin it from the inside. Probably the same guy that made Billy Squire's music video. Dude, that guy's got to be stopped. Fuck that guy. He's like, listen to what I did for Billy Squire. I can do this to Ferrari.

[2:21:43] I can thank them. I took Ferrari... [2:21:46] Yeah, with one whack-ass fucking electric car. Yes, I sold them a phone design. Yeah. But, you know, that's what happens. Yeah. You let people, you know, you don't have enough people that are smart. [2:22:02] that are artistic around that are going to look at that and go, hey, hey, hey. No. Yeah, no, yeah. What's with all the yes men? There had to be somebody that went, what are we doing? I don't know how the fuck that ever got greenlit by someone at Ferrari. How do you not look at all the other cars that you've made and then look at that one and go, a perfect, a perfectione. No, no, no, no. Nobody was doing that. I don't get it. [2:22:26] No. But, you know, companies make blunders. Yeah. You know, every now and then a band puts out a shitty record. You know what? It happens. [2:22:36] I mean, Ferrari's still Ferrari. They'll bounce back. But, you know, guys. They can always go, hey, we're not in the electric car business, okay? We fucked up. Well, that's what they probably should. Because most of the other car companies that do make electric cars, people really don't want them. [2:22:50] You know, like the Porsches, the Taycans, like those Audis, like the Audi ones that are just like a couple of years old, you can get them for like half price. Nobody wants them. I know. Nobody wants electric cars, especially used electric cars. Yeah, that's weird. It is, but if you think about it, like electronics we think of as disposable, right? You don't want to buy someone's phone from 10 years ago. No, no. Right? So you don't want to buy a Tesla from 10 years ago either. No. Right? Meanwhile, they're great. There's nothing wrong with them.

[2:23:20] car. But you don't want it. People think of electronics as something you throw out and get new. But engines, that's a different story. [2:23:29] You know, like a 2005 Porsche is still very valuable. People love those things. Oh, yeah. Those things have gone through the roof. Mm-hmm. [2:23:37] Lately, like with the Porsches. Yeah. I just know of so many guys that are just like buying them up, collecting them. Well, I think also as things become more electric and more numb, people like they really love the sound of engines and the feel that you get from those cars, the actual experience of it. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's like as things get more and more digital, I think with AI and music and everything, people are going to want to see live performances more. [2:24:07] you know, [2:24:07] No doubt, yeah. I think they want that experience, the experience of like raw, live, something that makes you feel alive. [2:24:18] All about the experience, man. [2:24:20] all about it. You guys are touring again? Yeah, coming up. Mid-July, we're out. [2:24:28] How fucking pumped are you for that? A couple months. So pumped because I've actually, we've been home. We did this big stadium tour with Def Leppard. [2:24:42] went all around the world that tour was fuck and [2:24:45] two and a half years long. Wow. Like, dude, that's insane. So, um...

[2:24:51] And I started to realize, I'm like, fuck, fuck. [2:24:55] I can't remember the last time I've been home. [2:24:59] Like, with a break, we intentionally were like, let's just... [2:25:04] fucking... [2:25:05] take a year [2:25:06] or more than a year off and in an [2:25:10] Um, [2:25:11] It wasn't until 2016 was the last time we had... [2:25:16] like taking a break. [2:25:20] So for me, I [2:25:24] It's just been fucking wonderful. I actually enjoyed the whole last summer at home. [2:25:32] Going into summer now, we're getting ready to go back out, but just having that time at home was really fucking cool. So I'm super pumped. The grass is always greener, dude. Right, right, right. When you're out there fucking ripping it, you're like, this is fucking rad. And then after a while, you're like, [2:25:48] I'd shoot my own mom in the back to sleep in my fucking bed, you know? Yeah. You know, and then when you're at home too long, you're like, dude, I got to get out of here. Right. You know, I got to go fucking go do the shit. So it's, I don't know, that's a weird balance, you know, you're... [2:26:07] You're happy until it's too much and then... [2:26:10] you know [2:26:11] Well, it's just achieving the balance, but it's awesome that you still love it so much after all these years. Oh, man. It really is. Dude, let me just tell you. There's nothing better than imagine, right? Let's trade places for a second. You're back there. You're playing drums, and you've been doing this for a while.

[2:26:32] long enough to see this is the fucking best in the world. [2:26:37] You see your fans all the sudden your fans have had children now their children are on the shoulders of [2:26:46] Thank you. [2:26:47] of their fucking parents, who were your fans, [2:26:51] Now they're bringing their kids [2:26:54] to the show and their fucking kids are on their dad's shoulder going, shout, shout with the fucking devil horns up. [2:27:03] You're sitting there going like, dude, that kid... [2:27:08] what is he fucking 10 and he's just fucking you know and just air drumming yeah just to see that you're you've you've sort of you know you've i don't know just you've done a full circle to where now it's the whole nother generation that's just now seeing this for the first time and they're fucking and you and you're sitting back there playing going like that's pretty fucking incredible [2:27:38] man, to watch that happen is probably why the... [2:27:43] Become the reason why I love it so much that really like puts a fucking nail in it. You know what I mean? Fuck that's that's like then that can only be achieved through through time. Yeah, right? So that's nothing I've ever experienced until until recently in the last few years. I you look out and you see a whole bunch of kids, man, and they're all just checking it out for the first time maybe.

[2:28:08] Wow. For sure, some of them. [2:28:11] Right? And you're like, dude, fuck, this is wild. Wild. That's awesome, man. Yeah, that's beautiful. Brother, you've had an amazing life. It's been an amazing ride, and I'm so happy that you're enjoying it so much. Thanks, bud. Thank you, man. And thank you for being here, man. It was really cool. Dude, thank you. I really enjoyed it. Thank you for having me, man. My pleasure. It was fucking cool. I've been wanting to come by and see you. [2:28:33] come hang out and talk shit. I'm glad we did it. Yeah. I'm glad we did it. All right. Thank you. Bye, everybody. I love you, too, brother. Bye.