#2522 - Tony Hinchcliffe

[00:00] the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day what's happening chaos I love it everything yeah [00:17] The world's crazy. The center of the storm. I think... [00:20] I think the world's back at war today again, like officially. Yeah. [00:23] Right? [00:24] I don't think that... [00:26] agreement with Iran lasted. [00:29] At all. Which one? [00:30] I think there was bombings today in Lebanon. [00:35] And I think there's bombings today in American bases. [00:40] I try to not pay attention, dude. I really do. I try to distract myself with science stuff and space stuff. [00:48] I was watching this documentary yesterday on how they make... [00:53] chips, like how they make semiconductor chips. [00:57] Dude, this fucking machine that they use. I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because it's bananas. It's like one of the most complex machines in the world. And this machine they use to make semiconductors, make chips. And they were explaining the process of making these chips, how fucking nuts it is, man. The amount of atoms that are stacked on and the way they do it to make these super complex high-end chips. [01:27] Tony that are doing things way different than us okay talking about sucking dicks and people shitting themselves and what's going on in other parts of the world is people are doing science fiction like they're they're actually doing science fiction.

[01:47] Here it is. Give me a second. [01:50] I like to save things. Here it is. The world's most important machine. [01:57] The one that's an hour long? Yes. Did you find it? Yeah, I just found it. [02:00] an hour long. [02:01] Yeah, but just go to the – there's some animation where they show how they make these things. Yeah. [02:07] Like, it was right where you were at. [02:10] MR. [02:10] again. [02:11] Okay, so they're just showing some of the... [02:16] The different aspects of how these things are made. Go back to where that guy had the laser beam. That's perfect, actually, where that guy had the laser beam. So this is him explaining this. So look at this. [02:26] back it up a little bit and give me some volume. [02:29] Can you back it up a little bit, please? [02:40] and you're given a laser that's strong enough to melt through metal like butter. [02:45] Next, a tiny droplet of molten tin, roughly the size of a white blood cell, is shot out in front of you around 250 kilometers per hour. And your task is to hit this not once, not twice, but three times in a row in 20 microseconds with your little laser. [03:00] Well, that is exactly what this machine does. It hits one tiny tin droplet three times in a row, heating each one up to over 220,000 Kelvin. That's roughly [03:11] 40 times hotter than the surface of the sun. [03:14] And it doesn't just hit one droplet, [03:16] It hits [03:17] 50,000 droplets

[03:19] every single second. - How often do you miss a laser shot? [03:22] We don't miss them. - What? - You do 150,000 laser shots a second. [03:28] then you don't miss one. [03:29] Exactly. The same machine also contains mirrors that might just be the smoothest objects in the universe. If you scale one up to the size of the earth, then the largest bump would be no thicker than a playing card. What the fuck? On top of that, it is able to overlay one layer of a chip perfectly on top of another and never be off by more than five atoms. [03:49] And this is all happening while parts of the machine whip around at accelerations of over 20 Gs. For 30 years, almost everyone thought that actually building this machine was impossible. [04:01] And yet it exists. There is only one company in the world that can make it. [04:07] So what is this company? And what is this impossible machine they've built? [04:11] This video is... [04:12] There you go. That's it. Wow. Yeah. What are they doing with that? [04:17] All computers, like computer chips that are getting better and better and better, all these AI chips, this is how they make them. One interesting thing I can just add, I know. [04:26] When they make those, they make like a big sheet of chips, you know? [04:29] Like there'll be like 30 or 50 on them. [04:32] They'll test each one. [04:34] And the ones that are the best, like test like one out of 100, ones that are like closest to 100 become like the i9 chip. [04:40] And if it's like 85 out of 100, it becomes like the 9-7 chip. Oh, really? So they all come off the same sheet. [04:46] The best ones become the best chips to sell them for the most money.

[04:50] The next one's kind of just a little degraded. No kidding. Interesting. [04:54] So there was that issue with that Samsung chip factory, and it was about they weren't getting the results that they wanted. So it's probably they were getting more of the shitty chips and not enough of the perfect chips. Yeah, they want really high-end chips, and they're really, really hard to make. You can smoke. We have a fan in here, dude. [05:11] Um... [05:12] Yeah. [05:14] I mean... [05:15] Imagine if everybody died. [05:18] And it was just us in this room. [05:21] And there was like three late, well, it'd be more than that. We'd have to have more people. Otherwise, we're going to fuck up the gene pool. We're all going to look like the English royals. We probably need a few thousand people. A few thousand people, like regular people, like you and I that don't know shit about how these things work. How much time would we need if we repopulated the earth with what we know? Basically, you're starting out like a fucking, like a half-assed prepper. [05:45] You know, like someone who's on an episode of Lost, you know, like one of those plane crash people trying to figure out how to survive out there. You're fucked. Oh, yeah. You're not inventing that. Uh-uh. [05:55] How long is it going to take? [05:57] Infinity. And how many people have to pave the way? This is the thing for every one of these people that makes an invention like this. You're making this on the back of thousands and thousands and thousands of fucking super geniuses that have figured out each and every step of the way that can lead you to thinking. [06:15] Is this possible that we could do this next? They all build on each other. So you need all these guys.

[06:22] and [06:23] Hopefully they don't get any pussy because otherwise they're going to get distracted. You know, I bet if one of them gets a hot wife, like one of their patents kicks and they start making bank and then all of a sudden he shows up for work in a Ferrari. [06:37] The next thing you know, he's got a hot wife. Everybody's like, oh, my God. Yeah. [06:41] civilization just went back 100 200 years we're gonna lose tim [06:46] Yeah. [06:48] Tim's taking Adderall, coding 18 hours a day, trying to figure out how to get us to Mars. [06:54] Actually, that's a bad point because Elon clearly gets pussy and doesn't seem to be affecting him at all. I think Elon's different. [07:01] this episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog here's a fun fact research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight [07:13] Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra-processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist, and trust me, I know. I buy one, the Farmer's Dog. I use it for both my dogs. They love it. They eat it up quick. It smells good to them. It smells good to me. It's human-grade food. The Farmer's Dog makes fresh food for dogs, and my dogs love it. [07:43] meat and fresh vegetables that are gently cooked to retain vital nutrients. They also portion out the meals to your dog's nutritional needs, which helps avoid overfeeding and makes weight management easier. And isn't getting more time with our four-legged best friends something every dog owner wants? The answer to that is yes, obviously. So try the farmer's dog today and get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food.

[08:11] Plus, get free shipping. Just go to thefarmersdog.com slash rogan. This offer is for new customers only. [08:19] This episode is brought to you by Dodge. I recently had the chance to get behind the wheel of the new gas-powered Dodge Charger Scat Pack, and it reminds me how much I love cars that give you an adrenaline rush the second you hit the gas. First thing that got me was the sound of the performance exhaust. It sounds awesome. Paired with a twin-turbo, six-pack gas engine. Mind-blowing. I love cars that sound like that. And then I tried launch control. It's fantastic. [08:49] horsepower, then goes from 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds with a top speed of 177 miles an hour. [08:58] And it's comfortable. [08:59] It's nice to drive. Another cool thing, you don't have to choose between control and performance. You've got all-wheel drive when you want the grip, but you can switch it to rear-wheel mode and just have fun with it. Totally get why people are so excited about this car. I loved it. Check out the new Dodge Charger Scat Pack. Learn more at Dodge.com. Dodge is a registered trademark of FCA US LLC. Definitely different. Yeah. I mean, some people are different, different, different. [09:29] what he's doing instead of just looking at this like, wow, this is an extraordinary time to be alive. But it's because of this narrative that people have. [09:37] One of them, the big one, is this USAID is killing people narrative, that people have died because of USAID. Then a bunch of people have given examples of how them cutting the funding has led to the end of certain people's lives, like when they were in hospitals that didn't have any funding and –

[09:54] There's a lot... [09:55] of that that you could point to say, right, if they had the money, they would have had the funding and they would have had that equipment in place or maybe they wouldn't have. But here's the other thing. [10:04] That's not... [10:05] discounting the fact that a lot of that money is fraud. [10:09] A lot of it. [10:10] Like it's not a little amount, and the idea that you should let it go on because it's going to save lives and there's a bunch of people that are stealing money. Okay, I see that argument. [10:21] But... [10:22] Why are we sending them money in the first place? Did we do something to them? Do we owe them money? No? Okay, we're just being nice? Are you sure we're just being nice? Is there anybody profiting off of us being nice? Because usually just being nice for no reason and just giving tax money away for no reason, I don't think they do that. I don't think that's real. I used to think that was real. [10:43] I used to think that charity was real. And now I look and I go, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is a giant scam that's wrapped up in virtue. It's wrapped up in a nice cozy blanket of being kind and compassionate and virtuous and doing good things for people all around the world. [10:58] I think a lot of people get involved in those things because that's what they think. We're going to do good things around the world. Good people. I really believe that. And then they find out how it really works. And then they get stuck in that system and then they're making their way up their – [11:11] you know, air quotes, corporate ladder to the point where some of them are making a million dollars a year. And you're like, what is this? Yeah. What is this? This is a business. This isn't really charity. Most of the money is going to your employees and your overhead and your why do you have such a big building? Like, what are you doing? How come you're not just funneling the money to these people? Exactly. Would it like the L.A. fire aid? Yeah. Great example.

[11:34] Spencer Pratt told me, what number did he say of nonprofits got that money? [11:39] So over $100 million gets raised. I don't know the exact total. [11:43] All of it goes to these different nonprofits. I think he said 200 different nonprofits got the money. [11:51] Yeah. So – and then what happens to that? Well, they just pay their employees. They pay overhead. They pay their rent on fucking nice office on wherever they live. Fuck, man. It's so disheartening because you've – [12:04] So that's what all that – [12:06] stuff is. And it's also, if you listen to when Mike Benz has been on my podcast a few times and explains USAID, people think of it as aid. You think of it as, oh, we're helping the world, which is great, right? But it's not that. It's the Agency for International Development. And it involves funding rap bands overseas that are the subversive rap bands that are supposed to [12:36] It funds rebels. It funds newspapers and [12:40] What was he talking about? Like there was a lot of it like funding rap music. [12:46] This is crazy. People have... [12:48] What? [12:48] Long said. [12:51] that rap music, even though, listen, [12:53] You love hip-hop. I know you just got back from Kanye West. I'm a huge hip-hop fan. We got to talk about that at some point. We definitely do. I love hip-hop. [13:01] But there's some people that believe that gangsta rap in particular, when it came about in the 1980s, was a part of – the push to popularize it and produce it was a part of –

[13:15] The government, some faction of the government, some intelligence agencies wanting to create more crime, wanting to fill more private prisons, wanting to erode the fabric of society so they could push for more laws to keep you safer. [13:31] This is like one of the most tinfoily of tinfoil hat conspiracies. [13:36] But people are pointing out that right now is like one of the rare times where no rap music is on the charts. Yeah. And they're saying, well, how does this coincide with USAID? Was USAID like actively promoting rap music? Was that one of the reasons why rap music was so popular? Is that real? [13:55] That can't be real. Maybe back in the day. [13:58] It seems like that would be more manipulative. [14:01] I don't see how. I believed that until I heard mumble rap. I'm like, this is not real. This is trying to make people stupid. Yeah. There's something about this. And obviously some artists are better at it than others. Some of them are fun the way they do it. But I'm saying there's a giant... [14:18] chunk of them that are... [14:20] inaudible. [14:22] Who's into this? Almost all of them are inaudible. What's going on there? Imagine if that was it. People heard Nas and this guy's too smart. [14:33] We got to dumb it down a little. Right. We got to promote some people that could barely talk. Yeah. Yeah. [14:37] We've got to promote some people that are on cough syrup, apparently. Yeah. [14:41] Have you ever done that, Cops' Hair? No. They seem to love it. Yeah. A lot of dudes who are into that.

[14:46] cough syrup, man. They swear by it. It's crazy. It's got to be fun. It's got to be enjoyable. Is it codeine? Is that what they're doing? I think so. [14:56] Have you done it, Jamie? [14:57] But we talked about this before, but I remember – [15:01] back in the 90s, [15:04] I got a hold of some NyQuil, the real NyQuil. Like, I guess they changed the formula for NyQuil. [15:11] And I had, you know, whatever, the flu or something. And I took some NyQuil and I was laying in bed and I was like, this is wonderful. Yeah. It was wonderful. Like just the warmth, the softness of the pillows and the warmth of the bed with the covers over me. I'm like, oh, this is wonderful. And I remember thinking, ooh, this is dangerous. Oh, yeah. Like this is a dangerous feeling because if your life was shit and you found that, like that's better than anything else that's happening in your life. Yeah. [15:42] And you can get it at CVS. Crazy. What was in the old NyQuil? [15:47] Before they switched it. [15:49] I avoid that stuff like the plague. I'm afraid of medicine. So this stuff probably was like sitting in my house if I took it. So it might have even been older than 97 or 98, whenever this was that I was sick. [16:02] But I'll never forget it. Because I never forget, like, getting scared. Yeah. [16:06] Like, I could love this. Like, I could just drink this during the day and just, like, sit on my back porch if I have the day off. Yeah. Just get obliterated with NyQuil and just enjoy the universe. I told you about that time I took a half of the pain pill that the dentist gave me for my wisdom tooth. I was like, oh, fuck. This is life-changing. It says the earliest NyQuil formula include ephedrine...

[16:28] which is a decongestant, doxyam, dox, doxilamine, doxilamine, [16:35] Sucinate. [16:36] which is an antihistamine, acetaminophen, dextromethorphan, cough suppressant, and about 25% alcohol. Oh, I was getting drunk, too. Wow. Wow. [16:49] Um... [16:50] What changed in the mid-2000s after the combat methamphetamine? There it is. They removed pseudoephedrine. So was that the stuff? So it wasn't codeine. But I think there is NyQuil with codeine though, right? [17:04] What I had was pretty good. I don't think it was as simple. [17:10] Yeah, you had the stuff they could make meth out of or whatever. [17:13] Yeah, okay, we'll put it in perplexity. [17:17] And perplexity says... [17:19] In the mid-2000s. Yeah. NyQuil brands sold in the U.S. do not contain codeine, and there's never been a standard Vicks NyQuil with codeine in its active ingredient lineup. Typical NyQuil form. So does any cough syrup have codeine in it? That's what it is. [17:36] Lena's. [17:37] They add it? [17:39] Or is it just prescription cough syrup? That was the whole thing about it. Maybe I am fucking up my memory, and maybe it wasn't NyQuil. Because whatever it was, it seemed like a... People used to get fucked up off NyQuil, but you had to drink, like, the whole bottle, you get NyQuil, like... [17:52] Just get fucked up. I definitely didn't drink the whole bottle. I know I took a dose. [17:57] Like a strong dose. I think you're just getting fucked up off 25% alcohol and a little bit of a... Maybe. A little bit of side meth. See, the thing is, it's so long ago, I can't remember. I say NyQuil because it's like saying Q-tips or Kleenex just because it's tissues or ear swabs.

[18:13] I don't know if it was NyQuil, but it was cough syrup, whatever the fuck it was. And I felt wonderful. [18:18] And I remember thinking, like, this could be a real problem. Like that one day in bed. Because I'm always scared of stuff like that. I'm always scared to get – I knew too many people when I was growing up that got hooked on stuff. Yeah. And it just derailed their life. So lying in bed, I was like, oh, you can't do this again. No more of this. Right. I like it. Yeah. [18:36] Yeah. [18:37] I got a knee surgery once. They gave me morphine. They gave me morphine in a drip. And they say that you can only hit that button so many times it stops giving to you. Yeah. But every time you feel pain, you just hit the button. Because I was on like a perpetual motion machine. Yeah. So my legs going. And I'm just bang, bang, bang, bang. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by Zip Recruiter. We all like to find ways to save ourselves some time, like ordering out for dinner or meal prepping so you don't have to cook during the week. [19:07] looking to hire, a great time-saving hack is ZipRecruiter. Its newest feature lets you meet the most interested, qualified candidates first. Try it out free at ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan. And it doesn't just let you meet candidates faster. You can hear why they're interested in their own words. Save time and meet great candidates sooner with ZipRecruiter. Four out

[19:37] in the first day try it for free at ziprecruiter.com slash rogan that's ziprecruiter.com slash rogan meet your match on zip recruiter the closest i come to that because i've never had like a serious surgery or anything but i go to this uh they have a dental office here in austin called the austin dental spa so their whole thing is like [20:01] a luxurious dental experience and they will hook you up to laughing gas and they let you like if they're like they're like you want a little more and i'm like okay yeah and that's like the closest i get to it is once every six months or so i go there and dude i'm always excited about this fucking experience it is so awesome do you ever come up with bits after doing laughing gas no give you any ideas no but during the thing it makes me weirdly honest you ever seen in kill [20:31] Oh, yeah. [20:46] And I'm like, and I'm jacked on laughing gas because it's not really, you're not really like cracking up. You're just like in heaven and you're like, it's kind of smiling ear to ear. And I remember going like, how long did you go to school for dental school? And he's like, whatever the answer is, like eight years. And I'm like, did you ever think about... [21:04] going longer and becoming a real doctor and i realized like kind of in the moment even though i was fucked up like that's that sounds mean but i think they're totally used to it i think they know that laughing gas makes people fuck i bet they're not used to that dude that's so mean that's what i'm saying it's like a dangerously real doctor a dangerous truth serum some people want to be dentists

[21:28] We need them too. [21:30] Yeah. [21:30] You know? Crazy gig. [21:32] Yeah. [21:33] It's a weird one. I know. You might show us a bad breath. They smell. And just weird things lodged in teeth for God only knows how long. When I got my root canal. Yeah. [21:43] One of the reasons why I had to get it is because I had a cap on my tooth or a filler, whatever it is. What's it called? [21:52] - Right, right. [21:53] No, when they just fill your tooth up? Why can't I remember? [21:56] Fillings. Why did I say filler? Whatever. Yeah. It was an old school one. You know, it was like white plastic. And when I was a kid, I used to have them. They were like fucking lead. They used to give you lead fillings, which is crazy. Like kids had lead in their mouth. [22:12] And it was hurting. It was bothering me. So what had happened was – [22:15] I cracked the tooth and it had gotten infected underneath the filling. So he takes the filling out and drills into it. And the smell that came out of my mouth, it was it was pus. All this pus came out and this fucking horrific smell. I was like, oh, my God, is that coming out of my mouth? Yeah. [22:39] He's like, oh, that's normal. It's decay. Right. There's an infection under here. We're going to treat it. You're going to be fine. Yeah. Piece of elk from seven years ago. That was a long time ago. That was a long time ago. It was before I was hunting, I think. But it was – [22:53] You know, people die from that stuff, which is really crazy. Like, if you don't take care of your teeth and you get that kind of infection, those kind of infections can become septic. Yeah, well, it's nuts. Sometimes I'll do a thing where I'll water floss after I brush my teeth just to see what would have been left in there if I just did what normal humans do. Because I'm one of those high-pressure water flossers that I fucking love. Complete game-changer for life. And it's insane what will jet out of there.

[23:23] between the teeth and everything. And, you know, I think for the most part, I do it before I brush. But every once in a while, I'll be like, I wonder if there's anything left in there. [23:32] Yeah, you have to floss. You're going to get a bunch of shit stuck in there. [23:36] And even then, sometimes I'll regular floss and then brush my teeth and just out of curiosity go, I wonder if there's anything left in there. And I'll do a one silver with the water flosser and you see like, ding, ding, ding, three little things come out. It's like that would have marinated in between my teeth or in the back of my gum line or whatever. Yeah, that's not good. But according to my dentist, he thinks it's all sugar. [23:58] He thinks if you go back and you look at when people started developing serious cavities... [24:03] People have always had... [24:05] abscesses and broken teeth and there's always been like dental problems that haunted people because back in the day man they just pull the tooth out and then who knows what kind of infection you still have in there and they don't treat it in the 1700s if you broke your tooth and got an infection you could be fucking dead you know you could die from that shit but he was saying that the the amount of cavities like steeply increased when people started putting sugar in everything [24:35] gets stuck in your teeth, he's like, I think that's the cause of it. [24:38] Yeah, and probably high fructose corn syrup is probably just as bad or if not worse than actual sugar. That stuff is not good for your body, that's for sure. Your body doesn't like it. Someone explained to me what's the difference in the absorption of high fructose corn syrup versus natural cane sugar. I completely forget how they explained it, but they were basically saying that there's some issues with how the body breaks it down.

[25:00] When you drink a soda, just think about that. Where in nature do you get 20 grams of sugar just in liquid form, and you just pump it down, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug? Ah, refreshing. Crazy. My buddy that I went to school with just flew in from Hawaii, which is where he's lived for like 20 years. He's like a wilderness guy. Climbs trees and cuts down his own pineapples and coconuts and stuff all the time. He's got a great life. [25:30] He checked a bag this trip just a few days ago, and he brought it to the mothership because that's where we met up. And he surprised me with this checked bag that had the moldings built in and everything. It had four coconuts and two white Hawaiian pineapples, I think they're called, which run like $65 each or something in the U.S. It's impossible to get. And according to him, I don't know, he's a real hippy-dippy type. Is that the dude that you brought to the mothership? Yeah, Anthony. [26:00] Yeah. Your friend from high school. Yep. Which is crazy. Yeah. He's the man. He's just a real dude. It's crazy when you know people for that long. Yeah. Yeah. [26:07] And so this dude is just living in Hawaii, living his best life. And I mean, holy shit, these fucking pineapple. He's like, dude, you're going to love this pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. He just kept going on about it. I'm like, all right, okay. Sure enough, holy fucking shit, man. It's nature can deliver you a sugar dose. Because he was saying that white Hawaiian pineapples have higher sugar but much lower acidity than what we're used to. So it makes a whole different.

[26:37] makes a whole different type of fucking fruit it's crazy sounds good wild how we have to go other places to get unbelievable shit well of course hawaii yeah hawaii really should be its own country yeah i listen i love hawaii i'm glad they're protected by the united states people are cool as fuck it should be its own country it's five hours by plane come on man yeah white pineapples [27:02] primarily known as sugarloaf or white jade pineapples. [27:06] Highly prized rare variety grown in Hawaii. Unlike standard yellow, they feature creamy white flesh, practically no acidity, and a completely edible core. [27:17] It was great. And fucking he climbs a goddamn tree like a little fucking monkey boy. [27:23] Normal little white dude. How did he wind up in Hawaii? [27:28] He's a real free spirit. He always was. I think he just went out there, visited, and stayed. He's the kind of guy that just gets a one-way ticket places and figures it out as he goes. He's in Youngstown right now. That shows you how adventurous and crazy he is. He's like, I'm going to spend a week and a half there. I'm like, a week and a half in Youngstown. Why is he doing that? Visit family and friends, he said. Is there a good hotel to stay at in Youngstown? No. [27:53] And I even had to look this up recently because I'm like, I'm not staying at the crazy hotel that I stayed at last time I was there. So I'm like, best hotel in Youngstown. And the funniest thing is the actual hotel. [28:05] Closest option was in Pennsylvania, like 50 minutes away. Truly. I mean, there's one like Doubletree downtown, but it's in an area of...

[28:15] absolute chaos i mean just death wish do you ever go back there and go i can't believe i grew up here always 100 of the time i got a feeling for it immediately when i went to la and i didn't hear police sirens anymore [28:30] Like... [28:31] As often, at least. You know what I mean? Isn't that funny? Like L.A. with L.A.'s crime. [28:36] That's what I always thought. I'm like, oh, this is going to be crazy. I've heard these Tupac songs. This is going to be nuts. That was USAID. So peaceful. Yeah, exactly. So peaceful. In Youngstown, at least when I was growing up there, you could hear a police siren or an ambulance siren almost at any point of the day. God. God. [28:57] My buddy sent me a shirt. [28:59] Recently, too, another buddy that has the stats on it of us being the murder capital. I think it was 90, 91, and 96 per capita. Not the biggest population. [29:13] per capita it was the most dangerous place you could be when i was in those most developmental years when a kid shouldn't be having his head next to the window yeah there it is i got that shirt [29:24] Wow. Four-time defending champion, murder capital of America. Wow. Yep. [29:31] In 01, 02, that puts me as a sophomore and junior in high school. [29:36] 95, 97, I'm 11, 12. And you're being raised by your mom. Yeah. On the north, on the craziest... [29:44] fucking area of the whole goddamn thing. The most dilapidated part of the north side of Youngstown. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

[29:51] I can't believe it. That's why, like, every part of my fucking story, I'm like, this is so goddamn weird. [30:00] So weird. It is when you think about it, right? [30:03] When you really stop and think about it, it doesn't seem real. Sixty years ago, this Ohio City was named Crime Town USA. [30:09] Crime town. 75 bombings. Yep. Oh, this was the mob days. Yeah. So it used to be a mob run town, right? Totally. They were called bomb town? Yeah. A Youngstown tune-up is a car bomb. Look at this. [30:24] 75 bombings. [30:26] 11 killings in a decade. [30:28] And no one seems to care. They were so nuts in Youngstown that somebody tried to kill the actual prosecutor, the actual D.A., [30:38] Isn't that normal? They always try to do that? Well... [30:41] It's... [30:41] kind of the stupidest, craziest thing you could do, because then the entire FBI... [30:46] comes down on you. [30:47] It's a little short-sighted to go, we're going to kill the main cop of this city and not think that anything's going to happen from that. Well, we beat the game. We beat the main cop. Imagine trying to be an intelligent... [31:00] businessman and also a mob leader. [31:03] Imagine like playing things out in advance, but also you're a mob leader. [31:08] a lot of that going on and I got to see quite a bit of it like there were uh let's put it this way mall developers in Youngstown and things like that and I got to see firsthand very young that they were communicating with politicians at lunchtime and stuff because I was working at this little Italian restaurant at the time right out of high school and um

[31:32] And they were having these quiet meetups in the corner of a quiet Italian restaurant. And you would see these huge moguls. [31:41] I won't name any names, but big business people in Youngstown meeting with the local this and that and congressmen. I got to meet that congressman and that congressman because they're there meeting with these super-duper rich people. And I'm like, I wonder what the correlation is there. Bro, back then when there was no cell phones and they had to bug people, they had to literally bug businesses to get information. Like they were all doing something. Oh, yeah. [32:11] if you weren't down with the Teamsters, if you weren't down with the Longshoremen. [32:16] We've got to work this out, Bobby. We're businessmen. That's how you do the business. Give a little money to their campaign. Not a little, but a bit. [32:28] And then you can get your stuff passed and make life easier down the road. Dude, I had friends that had no-show jobs. [32:34] Wow. Yeah. I had a friend of mine that had a no-show job in New York at the Javits Center. [32:41] You know, the Javits Center is like a big convention center. [32:43] He had a union no-show job. Wow. So he was a mob guy. Yeah. And they just gave him money. [32:50] I only saw that on the Sopranos. They had those no-show construction jobs. They're sitting there with their portable fans. Yeah, no, that's real, dude. [32:59] That is a real thing. [33:01] They get a certain amount of jobs.

[33:03] They would make... [33:04] agreements. Like the union would make an agreement. We had a certain amount of these jobs. There's like [33:10] You know? It's crazy. There's really a hundred jobs, but we want 130. [33:15] Oh. [33:16] Youngstown was... [33:19] A haven for organized crime related corruption was ingrained into the fabric of its society. A 2000 publication, New Republic, listed a chief of police, the outgoing prosecutor, the sheriff, the county engineer, members of the local police force, a city law director, several defense attorneys, politicians, judges and a former assistant U.S. attorney as controlled by the mob. [33:42] So if they have that, if they found that for sure, imagine how many others there are. [33:49] That's everybody. That's everybody. The prosecutor, the sheriff, the county engineer, the police force, city law director, defense attorney. Imagine not being down with the mob. Do you want to stay alive? Do you want to work in this business? Right. And this is a city. I think we looked it up the other day, actually. I think it only has 25,000 white people. [34:08] So knowing that black people tend to not be in the Italian mob, just going off of 25,000, and that's current. I don't know what it was back in the day, but the point is, it's like, it's not a big city. [34:23] it's not. I think 50,000, 60,000 half... [34:27] Or less white. [34:29] There's Tony. There's little Tony watching pro wrestling. Oh, yeah. Pro wrestling. And even then, I was obsessed with Goodfellas and a Bronx Tale and a Godfather. Because it's just what you're taught is humanity. That's life.

[34:46] So getting out of that and going to L.A. and thinking it was going to be all, oh, it's going to be crazy, gangs and stuff. And it's just quiet. Granted, I started in Burbank, which is a fucking television studio, essentially. [34:57] Thank you. [34:57] When I moved to New Jersey and I didn't have any money when I first moved to New York, I couldn't afford to live in New York City. I didn't even have an apartment. I stayed with my grandparents because my grandfather lived in New Jersey, in Newark. [35:11] And he bought a house there in I think it was like the 1940s. [35:16] And they did a thing called blockbusting. Do you know what blockbusting is? They would go door to door and they would say black people are moving to the neighborhood. You got to sell now. And everybody sold. It used to be an entirely Italian neighborhood. And he was like, I like black people. Get the fuck out of here. And he kept his house. But he was like one of very few families that stayed. And then black people moved out. And then they started getting like different people, Spanish speaking people like Dominicans and a bunch of other. And that's how it was when I'm. [35:45] stayed with them. So this is like [35:47] 91? Yeah. I was three years in the comedy, so it's probably 91. And while I was living with him, the next door neighbor's house got broken into by the cops. The DEA smashed down his door. The dude had an Audi parked in the driveway. He was selling crack, like right next door to my grandpa. The whole neighborhood was just nuts, dude. Like he would get really nervous when I would leave. Like I would leave to go play pool somewhere and he'd be like, be careful. It was fucking sketchy. Yeah.

[36:17] But it didn't used to be. Like when he first moved there, it was just an all-Italian neighborhood. [36:23] Yep. [36:24] real estate people even back like what a dirty thing to do scare people into moving [36:30] That's probably the first project of USAID. That's probably the first. Yeah. [36:35] They probably got real estate people to destroy neighborhoods. [36:39] There's something to it. I don't know the correlation of Italian neighborhoods being taken over, not taken over, but [36:46] whatever, by black people. Like, mob-run cities like Youngstown, like Chicago, like Detroit. [36:54] Um... [36:55] It's an interesting anomaly. I wonder if there's any correlation between the things. [37:25] work also had to take a back seat, LifeLock has your back. Plus, there's coverage if you need to pay fees for lawyers and experts to resolve your case. Don't face the burden of identity theft alone. Protect your future and finances with LifeLock. Visit LifeLock.com slash JRE and save up to 30% your first year. That's LifeLock.com slash JRE for 30% off terms apply.

[37:52] This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. If you're looking for a new tent, jeans, gear, or anything really, there's millions of options to choose from. And finding the right one can take days or longer. At least when it comes to hiring, ZipRecruiter has a solution. Check it out for free at ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan. ZipRecruiter uses powerful matching technology to find exactly who you need fast. [38:22] Their latest feature introduces qualified candidates who are very interested in your role first. [38:29] Cut through the standard, get to the standouts with ZipRecruiter. Four out of five employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. And now you can try it for free at ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan. That's ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan. Meet your match on ZipRecruiter. Most of the Italians that came in the early 20th century were very poor. [38:58] They were all coming over here for labor or jobs and things along those lines. [39:04] you know, when they started doing better, [39:07] They started moving out and moving into the suburbs and moving into more gentrified areas. It's always... [39:14] What are the new immigrants that are going to come and take over this area that was like formerly a low-income Italian neighborhood or a low-income Irish neighborhood? It's the same thing.

[39:24] there's cycles you know [39:26] It's like there's cycles in fighting too. [39:29] In the early 20th century, there was a lot of Jewish fighters, like Slappy Maxi Rosenblum. You never heard of him, right? No. Very good Jewish fighters because they were poor and they were the new immigrants. And this is like before World War II. And then in – and even afterwards, there was some. But then you get Italians. You get a lot of Italians. You get Rocky Marciano, Rocky Graziano. There's a lot of like Jake LaMotta. [39:59] motherfuckers because they were poor. Yeah. And then what happened? Then you got a lot of Puerto Ricans, a lot of, you know, it's always like, who's the new immigrants? Right. And who are the most hungry come from the most poverty ridden areas? Like Roberto Duran came from a terrible part of Panama, like not terrible, but I mean, like very poor, very violent. Yeah. And it was one of the baddest motherfuckers. Boom, boom, man. He was right down the street. [40:24] Yep. [40:25] Yeah. [40:25] Yeah. [40:26] I mean... [40:27] Youngstown's known for boxing. [40:30] Kelly Pavlik. Kelly Pavlik, who's been on the podcast. He's awesome. Yeah. He was a beast, dude. Oh, man. [40:36] That fight with him and Jermaine Taylor won. Holy shit. Sometimes I still re-watch the end of that. How did he survive? Give me a burst of energy. I mean, how did he make it through? That was a crazy... I mean, he got dropped. It looks like the fight was over. And then when he's got him in the corner and he rocks him, you go, no way. He's coming back. This is crazy. Did you watch the fights this weekend? Jerron Boots Ennis and I forget the dude who was fighting. No, I was at that concert. I missed it.

[41:06] Boots is very good and for the most part he beat his ass but the third round he got rocked. The third round was incredible. The kid he was fighting, who was the gentleman that he was fighting, Jamie? [41:18] Zayas yeah young kid he got dropped in the second round like pretty bad boots is very good He's like one of the best boxers alive and then the third round the kid came back and rock boots And it was just a war just the third round was incredible boots wound up stopping them. I think he stopped him in like the seventh or the eighth round and [41:39] he just dropped him one last time and the the the corner called it it was enough like he was getting his ass kicked [41:44] But he was very, very valiant. It was a really good fight. Like Boots is better than him, clearly. He's on another level. But this kid showed just tremendous heart. [41:55] that third round was just coming back from getting dropped in the second. Like those kind of moments where a guy's getting fucked up, like the Gaethje-Taporia fight. [42:04] perfect example. Yeah. Right? Right? [42:06] That's when it's really a fight. A real fight. Yeah. Because Teporia was on him in that second round. Oh, man. We were so close. Oh, you could hear it. Oh, you could feel it. [42:21] Where I was, man, and, you know, obviously we're always close to the cage on those things. But when Tapuria was landing those body shots, it was right against our side of the fence, and I'm literally like... [42:35] Oh, my. I mean, holy fucking shit, man. And I've seen a lot of people get ripped to the body before, but there is something about his close range strength in near that clinch, that close up fucking range of Elia that is scary. He's so good, dude. He's so good and he's so precise.

[42:56] He just tried to, like, I always repeat this because Chael Sonnen said it was perfect. If you try to win by knockout and fail... [43:04] you won't win a decision. [43:06] Yeah. And sometimes you just run out of gas because, like, you're not supposed to fight like that if you think that the fight's going to go five rounds. Like, Ilya had him hurt, and he's like, I can take him out. Yeah. [43:16] But Justin's so durable, man. He's so durable. [43:20] And [43:21] That left hook to the body, the sound of it, man, is just whip. It's so perfect. He throws perfect punches. His punches are just – I mean, even – [43:31] Justin said it in the post-fight interview. When he's fresh, his skills are unmatched. That's a crazy thing to say to a guy who just beat up and made stop. He stopped him in the fourth round. [43:41] Yeah. [43:42] That's crazy to say. Like, his skills are unmatched, but they really are. Oh, at every point of that, anybody I think that knows anything about those two fighters is going – [43:54] Until this is stopped, anybody can win this. Even when his face was blown up and his eyes looked black and closed. [44:04] Until that time. [44:05] Air horn rings. I'm like, anything. One punch. And we've seen it. Even with Gaethje, you saw it with Holloway, right? Was it him? Who did he square up with in the middle? [44:16] Yes. Holloway, yes. Max hit him with that final punch. One chin with one second left, it can all be over. Yeah, that was a little different in that Holloway caught him with a jump-spinning back kick to the face in the very last seconds of the first round and broke the bone of his nose. We talked about it on the podcast. And I was like, that changed that fight. Because before that, Gaethje was pressing him and it looked very competitive.

[44:46] slight advantage. But that's because Max, Max is a very clever, very clever fighter. He's always switching stances and moving and really hadn't showed that spinning back kick a lot. That hadn't been a feature in a lot of his fights. He did it a few times, but for him to land it that way, backing up, jump to the face, I mean, it was [45:05] perfect. It was perfect. And his nose was fucked. And if you're fighting with a broken bone on your face, every time you're getting hit, you're getting just blasted. The pain is insane. And then, you know, he had... [45:19] you know, [45:20] He was a step behind Max. Max was teeing off on him. He landed some good shots, though, even though it was a good fight. I mean, Max was definitely ahead in the fifth round, but it was a good fight. [45:31] And then... [45:32] during that wild exchange. She should have never done that. [45:35] He was already fading, whereas Max was still very fresh. [45:40] Fucking crazy fight, man. [45:42] That was a crazy fight. I think Topuria's nose was broken in round two, I think. It was pretty early on. Hard to say. Yeah. But Justin did clip him with a bunch of those uppercuts. So Justin does this thing where he collar ties you and then throws an uppercut in tight, and he's really good at it. He's really good at turning you a little and then throwing an uppercut. In these exchanges, he collar ties and uppercuts.

[46:12] the old schnozzle this thing's so brittle yeah it's such a if you feel your nose just feel it [46:18] Have you ever seen Merab's Nose? [46:21] The X-ray of Merab's nose? You've never seen it? I sent it to you, right, Jamie? [46:26] Jamie will find it. [46:27] It's [46:28] Crazy. [46:30] Look at what it looks like. Oh, my God. Look at that. [46:32] Oh, fuck. Bro. [46:35] that thing is destroyed [46:38] I mean, it's destroyed. He's getting zero air out of that. He's got the best cardio on planet Earth, and he's getting zero air out of his nose. Wow. Wow. [46:46] But he won't get it fixed because if he gets it fixed, he can't fight for like a year. [46:50] And he just wants to keep on trucking. [46:55] That dude's a freak. If I was his friend, I would say, dude, you got a lot of money. You're a world champion. [47:01] Fix the nose. Let's fix it. Let's take a year off. Come back and fuck these motherfuckers up. Because if that guy's got a fixed nose, he's got 10% more cardio. Are you crazy? That guy with 10% more cardio, that's an extra weapon. [47:15] I would get it fixed. But the problem is if he gets it fixed and then, like, he fights a guy like Holloway and he gets jumping and spinning back kicked to the nose in the first round and it's shattered again, then he's kind of fucked. Because if they have to fix it again, then they might have to start taking pieces of your rib out and reconstructing your nose and grafting bone and doing weird shit. [47:36] And then sometimes that shit doesn't take and sometimes it gets infected and then you have a bone infection on your face. And what do they do then? Do they have to remove your nose? Is that what they have to do?

[47:46] Fuck. God. Scary shit, man. Very much so. These fucking dudes, man. That is a crazy job to risk your life, risk your health, risk your bones. You're making a living by trying to damage another person who's trying to damage you. [48:02] *sigh* [48:03] Nuts. [48:04] But it's also why it's the most exciting shit in the world to watch. Exactly. So exciting. Yeah. Even boxing as, you know... [48:12] tamed in comparison to MMA because there's less weapons and less options and you don't more padding yeah [48:19] You don't get the choke outs, the crazy choke outs. [48:22] There was a crazy choke out this weekend. His name is Ruzaboyev. [48:27] And he fought... [48:29] God, how do I say his last name? He fought this Russian cat and got him. Russian or Ukrainian? Ukrainian? [48:34] I forget. But he got him in a rear naked choke and put him to sleep. And it was one of those ones where the guy looks dead. He's like lying there. I mean, it was a fucking nasty choke, man. And yeah, like, and it's like, oh, yeah. [48:46] I saw that. [48:48] It was dark, dude. [48:49] That's another meme out this week, along with the WMBA girl pointing. That's his name. [48:54] I'm not. [48:55] bro's nuts the memes on these things are nuts nowadays [48:59] The internet is undefeated. Oh, it's crazy. They're so good at memes. Oh, my God. There's so many people out there working jobs that they hate, that are smart and funny. [49:07] we were talking about it the other day but have you caught up with any of those WNBA what's her name the girl that's pointing Sophie Cunningham I've been paying what's that thing in the middle

[49:21] Put the ashtray in the middle. I've been paying attention very little, but one of the things that I did watch is all the fouls. Like these bitches throw each other to the ground and they poke each other in the eyes. [49:34] Like they do this. They literally jab each other in the eyes. It's crazy. Like they foul and also they travel so much. Oh, it's crazy. They take like four or five steps and then no one calls them. Oh, yeah. Double durable. Is there a trend now to not call traveling? [49:53] Yes, without a doubt. In the actual NBA, it's a thing, too. It's hard to get into this without going way into the weeds, but the NBA has a technically different rule than college and high school and everyone else where they call it a gather step. [50:08] And they definitely would call it in high school. [50:11] But they work all day manipulating it with the referee, watching them saying, like, you can do that, but you can't do that. [50:17] you can do this, but you can't do that. And so, like, they've got it to a place where... [50:20] Everything they're doing looks like traveling and double dribbles, but guys will break it down in slow-mo, and you'll be like, well, technically it's not. [50:27] That's weird. [50:28] I always thought if you took a step, you had to bounce the ball. Yeah. Yeah. [50:31] That's how it should be. You're allowed to. Doesn't it seem like that should be how it is? When you see guys taking four steps, you're like, what's going on? Do you want to see exciting basketball or not? [50:41] Yeah, I do. All right. Well, then let's let the referees call the game how they call it. But I think there's something exciting about you having to bounce that ball. [50:49] Because you won't be able to score as much.

[50:52] Right? Correct. Like, if you have to bounce it every two steps, whatever it is. I wish I loved the NBA like I did when I was a kid. And fucking Barkley and Jordan and Ewing and all these people were physical. It is just a whole different game now. So back then, was it traveling? Like, when the Larry Bird days? Hell yeah. Unless Jordan talked to the ref and said, yo, you're wrong. Let me do what I want. Well, Jordan had the cheat code where he would leap from the fucking free throw line. [51:22] That is so when I've watched videos that it doesn't even look real. [51:27] He was such an amazing athlete. He was so good and so possessed by his desire to win. He would do things that you would just go, how does a person fly? [51:39] Dude, imagine if he was like one of those jumpers, those long-distance jumpers. He'd probably have an insane jump. [51:45] Because he's going from the free throw line in the air. That's crazy. Everything he did was crazy. [51:53] the way he did things, the way he practiced everything. [51:57] Yeah. [51:58] And did he not make his college team? [52:00] No. High school team? No. Wasn't there like one year? When he was a freshman, he didn't make the varsity team. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's... [52:07] Most freshmen don't. [52:09] Perfect. May have changed basketball history forever. Most freshmen, though. That doesn't make sense because they're not even developed yet. [52:15] Yeah, that's your plan. I know kids in Texas that keep their kids back a year. [52:19] Wow. [52:20] They want their kid to be bigger. I want Billy to be the biggest freshman. I want him to be a 15-year-old freshman. We're pushing for right before his 15th birthday. Hey, 15's a sophomore. Billy's a fucking cheater. Why are you sandbagging Billy? It doesn't bother me nearly as much in a sport like football where I see what you're doing. You're preparing a kid for a professional future, perhaps, especially in Texas. They're very into it down here.

[52:50] Yeah. Hey, there's fucking no money in this. Right. And that kid's 16 and he's in the ninth grade. Yeah. [52:58] It's nuts. How old is the oldest that a kid can be and compete in high school sports? [53:05] Hmm. [53:06] Right. [53:07] Jamie, please put that into our sponsor, Perplexity. Let's find out. I wonder if it varies by sport. [53:15] Definitely by sport and by state. [53:17] Mmm, interesting. [53:20] Do they all have a cap at 18? [53:22] Or do they allow you to compete at 19? Yeah, there's going to be a – but before I even hit enter, I know it's going to say something about, like, your graduating class can't be out maybe more than, like, two years or something like that in case you got held back or you had an injury or something like that. [53:36] Boy, I remember from my days of being like 17 and 18, the difference between 17 and 19 was huge. Oh, yeah. It's a big difference. Fuck yeah. By the time you're 19, you're basically man strength. You know, 17, I was like a boy still. Yeah. Yeah. [53:52] You know? [53:53] That was flimsy. [53:54] 17, I was like a flimsy kid. By the time I was 19, it's a different animal. You've got two more years of training and testosterone in you. If you're a wrestler, that's got to be a huge advantage. Everything in wrestling is a huge advantage. Starting one year earlier is crazy. Huge, huge advantage. It's 19 based off of certain rules. Oh, bro, that's so rude. Making 19-year-olds wrestle against possibly 15-year-olds is crazy.

[54:24] weight class that's not strong like I wasn't a good wrestler I was a pretty good wrestler but I started I was on the varsity team at my high school and I [54:34] Like one year, I didn't even cut weight or one weight class I didn't cut. There was a guy that was below me at like 126 or 128, and he was better than me. And so the next available weight class was 134, which is – that's what I normally weighed when I was 15. So I just wrestled at 134. That's lovely. Yeah. But I could have been in there with a 19-year-old fucking animal who weighs $1.60 and dries himself out briefly to hit 134. [55:04] And you would see them at like the States and you go, what the fuck? Yeah. And they were going to camps. So they were wrestling 365 days a year all year long. Oh yeah. I just started. I didn't know anything. Same. I started as a freshman in high school and got fucked up. I didn't even start as a freshman. I started as a sophomore. [55:22] I started as a sophomore because some kid kicked my ass in the locker room. Some kid grabbed me in a headlock and threw me to the ground and didn't punch me. He could have punched me, decided not to, but I was so humiliated. I was like, oh, my God, I need to learn how to wrestle. Then I also wrestled in the park, like in the grass with my friend Steven, and I thought I was a good athlete. I was doing karate. I was like, he can't take me down. He took me down instantly. I was like, oh, no, this is terrible. Yeah, it's a whole different piece. It's also like how tired you get. [55:52] I remember thinking, I used to think that I had worked out before that.

[55:56] Because I had taken karate classes and done some Taekwondo. I thought it worked out. You don't even know what working out is until you go through a wrestling practice. We're running stairs? What? What? [56:06] What? We're carrying guys around the wrestling room? You pick up your partner, your training partner, you have the fireman carry them around the fucking room? [56:14] Oh, Jesus Christ, then you're doing push-ups and sit-ups until you puke, and then you're doing live drills. [56:19] Fuck. Non-stop. Dude. [56:22] Animals. [56:23] Yeah, we would rotate. [56:25] Uh, you know, there's all those different weight classes and just for shits and giggles, you know, one of the drills was, you know, escape from the next guy. All right. Beep. Whistle blows escape. You're on bottom. You have to get out the next guy. So sometimes I, at a 103 weight class, I would have Hugh Frost, who was, I think, 235, 245, 250. [56:55] time, obviously, but not really, because he doesn't want to let this little fucking shithead 103 out from under him, so he's putting enough pressure to keep everybody there. Not to mention the 165 freak of nature made of muscle and the 185. It was just a drill, but... [57:13] Reality hits hard. That's how you see the difference between 15 and 17 and all that. And someone who actually really knows how to wrestle. Just wrestler strength. I always tell people, if you want to look at MMA, what is the most important skill? The foundation is wrestling.

[57:31] The foundation. If you wanted your kid to be a badass fighter, you're like, my kid really loves fighting. He thinks he wants to do it, but I want to prepare him right, which I do. Teach him how to wrestle. Get that kid into a really good wrestling program. Because if you have advanced wrestling, you look at how it shuts down so many fighters. Like, look at what Hamzat did to Drekka's Duplessy. [57:52] He just ragged all of them. His wrestling is at such a high level. And Trekus, who was a world champion, couldn't do shit to stop it. He just dragged him to the ground any time he wanted to. Got him in a crucifix like three times. Merab against O'Malley. [58:06] Exactly. Exactly. You were watching a guy that does a no look right hand knockout punch into a salute, no look at his opponent. Right. [58:18] get [58:19] I mean, it's just impossible. It appears impossible in every Khabib fight. The thing I always think about first when I think about Khabib fighting is him being on top and having his feet under the other dude's feet, which is just, that's it. It's the final level when you can't even begin the process of posturing out in any way. You are nothing. You are a tissue in an octagon with a man. And he's wailing on your face. Yeah. [58:49] and he has your legs triangled underneath his legs. It's always funny when casual UFC fans don't understand those little things like that, that aren't even part of the fight. They're looking up here waiting to see if the punches are going to rain down. Yeah, here it is. The positioning of his feet is what I'm always looking at and how scary it can be here.

[59:14] He's not even doing it right now. He's hell on top of people. He is right here. But that leg being thrown is torture. It's all the weight. Nothing you can do. [59:23] There's just nowhere to go. And all that weight on those hips, people don't realize. Like, I notice immediately if I ever see somebody that's kind of on top and their knees are on the ground. [59:34] Like, if you look, his right knee isn't on the ground. It looks like it might be. And look how he keeps slamming those left hands into Johnson's head. I mean, he got hit with, like, 15, 20 unanswered full-force left-hand blows. Just holding his arms so he can't move. Bro, he's horrible. He was horrible. So good. Khabib was so good. And he would do this to world-class fighters, man. And, by the way, Johnson clipped him in that fight, too. It was one of the few times in his career where he got clipped. [1:00:01] Yeah, man. Who's the one that looked really frustrated? What's that? Who's the one that looked super frustrated in that? Barboza? I'm asking. I don't remember who it was. Barboza was one of them. But, I mean, a lot of guys I thought Khabib looked frustrated because there's not a damn thing they could do. Nope. Barboza was, like, early in the first round. He had that 1,000-yard stare. It was like, fuck. Like, I have to go through three rounds of this where they just give up on the idea that they could even win. Yeah. Like, all you're doing is trying to survive. Yeah. [1:00:26] Yeah. He was a monster, dude. [1:00:28] Like that. [1:00:29] his leg being trapped [1:00:31] is nuts and look how he's scooting with it and he's just slamming punches and then you get up he's just chasing you oh yeah i got the camera back down i thought but if you get up he's just gonna fucking chase you and drag you to the ground again so you blew all that energy to get up the moment you try to punch or throw a kick he's on you you're on your back again punch to the face punch to the face yeah wrestling's giant it is the the biggest skill yeah

[1:00:56] You have to know how to do everything else, too, nowadays, because all these kids that, like, you see in the Contender Series, these young guys coming up, man, they're all so fucking talented. [1:01:07] He tried to wheel kick him. [1:01:08] And really more than anything, I feel like being out-wrestled and being just trapped on the ground is so psychologically demoralizing. Oh, completely. When you've been training for a UFC fight and the crowd is out there and the lights are on you and you see the logos on the mat because you're facing it. Back that up a little bit. I'm going to show you something here too. What's interesting here before that, before the clinch – [1:01:30] So after he throws the wheel kick, like Barbosa is trying to win, right? This is the third round. He's trying to win, and he throws his walk. But look, no, go before that. [1:01:39] When he throws the kick... [1:01:41] Here it is. So he throws the kick and misses. He's so tired now that when Khabib moves for him, he clinches. [1:01:47] Look! [1:01:48] He instigated the clinch. Instead of pushing away, instead of circling to his left, [1:01:52] He clenched because he's so tired, dude. He's so tired. And this dude just – look at that face. He just drags him down to the ground again. [1:02:00] It's just hell. Two on one on that arm underneath him. Legs being thrown in. He doesn't know what to do with his legs. He actually just put his foot above Khabib because it's so confusing. All that weight on you. [1:02:13] You don't know where to even begin to start getting up. Well, the first thing he's got to do is get that left leg free, and he's not going to. That was the part before the crawling thing. He was a monster. He was a monster. And retired undefeated. [1:02:26] Yeah.

[1:02:27] And there's something to being on that mat, not being able to move, knowing that the clock is ticking. And this is not how you picture this going. Not only that, this is with the current rules where I think there should be no stand-ups. I think the only time there should be a stand-up is when there's a foul. Yeah, I completely agree with you. I hate it when they stand people up. Even if it's boring. I get it's boring, but the guy can't get up. And this guy is holding him down. So he's winning. He's winning. See, I know he's not doing enough. What does that mean? [1:02:57] He's biding his time. You've got to let a guy have strategy. Like when Muhammad Ali did rope-a-dope against George Foreman, imagine if the referee is like, you've got to punch back. If you don't punch back, no, he's got a strategy. Strategy is let George Foreman burn himself out and then eventually... [1:03:13] Tee off on him, and that's what he did. [1:03:15] It stinks that referees can let the crowd get in their head. Well, it's the organization wants action, too. The fans want action. A lot of people disagree with me. And I understand their point. [1:03:28] I understand the point, especially if you're a casual. Like, it's gay. Get them up. Make them fight. They don't want to fight. They want to hug. Boo. Right. So what? [1:03:37] So this is the sport. And if that guy who's on top, who's biding his time and recovering, then decides, OK, now's the time. Let me start dropping some bombs because I've recovered. Mm hmm. [1:03:48] Good. Well, he held the position and he recovered his energy and now he's winning. Like, let him fucking fight. [1:03:56] Let him fight. Get out of there. Get out of there. Yep.

[1:04:00] There shouldn't be stand-ups. And I get it. The referee gets that cheer from the crowd. [1:04:04] You know, it feels rewarding. That said, sometimes when they stand fights up, I get excited. Yeah. I go, yeah. Here we go. That striker has a chance. But my position is still the same. I don't think they should stand him up. [1:04:16] I'm worse than that. I think they should start each round where they lost the last round. Oh, I love that. [1:04:21] That's great. So every round, why do you get to stand up? Why do you get that advantage the striker gets of standing up when you didn't earn it? Get back down there. Yeah. Get back down there. Crucifix. Why did you have to start the round off in a crucifix? [1:04:34] Yeah, that's how the round ended. They look at the big screen, get a freeze frame of the position. Referee sets you in the exact position and says, ready, fight. [1:04:43] Yeah. [1:04:44] I love that. [1:04:46] Yeah, fuck off. Yeah. That's what the sport is supposed to be. And sometimes it's going to be boring. Yeah. [1:04:52] But that's real, though. At least it's real. [1:04:55] Because there's been a lot of fights where the guy got taken down in the first round, starts out the second round, and blasts the guy and knocks him out. And it's like, okay, it's exciting to watch, but he didn't earn that position. He just got that position because the other guy survived the first round. [1:05:08] And so it's like... [1:05:09] It's one fight. It's not five fights. Right. [1:05:12] So I think it should be one continuous fight with a one-minute break in each round. Yeah, that'd be like if the team losing automatically got the kickoff after halftime or something like that. [1:05:23] Yeah, and look – [1:05:25] So guaranteed if I was running the UFC, I would probably go bankrupt. I'm not the right guy. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. I'd be a terrible promoter.

[1:05:34] I'd be too honest about stuff and I'd want to give people fights that maybe they weren't the most exciting fighters but they were above the other person in the rankings. I think the rankings should be the whole reason why you make fights. [1:05:47] Sami Zayn won the Universal WWE Championship over this weekend at a big pay-per-view. [1:05:53] I have no idea who that is, but I'm happy for him. Shocked Cody Rhodes. He was like a guaranteed win. I wonder what happened. Rolled him up real quick. Do you think maybe that was fixed? Well, it was very entertaining. [1:06:08] Very entertaining. I'm sure it was. I just don't understand how you go back and forth. [1:06:11] Oh, it's the best. I know you love it. Well... [1:06:14] Sometimes. That's what I said about this White House card, by the way, is like... [1:06:20] There's nothing that could have happened that they could have written if it was... [1:06:26] written that would have made it more exciting. Right. [1:06:29] It felt real the whole time, and the fights that happened before made it feel like anything could happen in that main event. Like, it just felt raw and real, but also storyline. [1:06:41] Then when UFC is at its best like that, it's like... [1:06:45] The WWE. [1:06:47] That's what's interesting. Of course, it's not as, you know, acrobatic. Exactly. But it was a special... [1:06:55] moment, you know, regardless of how you feel politically, and I understand it. If you hate [1:07:02] the Republicans and you hate the whole idea. I get it. But just as a person who loves a sport, it was a very unusual experience. Very unusual. And just, I think people have to just look at some things that way. You know, some people have a really hard time separating themselves politically because they're going, oh no, the White House puts on this thing. There's all this bad press because of the war. There's bad press because of this and that. And they put on this thing at the White House and it's sort of like, oh, no.

[1:07:30] MAGA washes everything. You know what I mean? Yeah. Makes everybody like them again. Gives them positive press. Which... [1:07:36] undeniable [1:07:37] Undeniable game positive press. [1:07:40] I mean, the amount of people that have seen it is nuts. [1:07:43] you know, [1:07:44] I think just on Paramount, it's something like 30-something million now. [1:07:48] And they were telling me that they thought it was probably 150 million people had watched it in some form, which was TikTok clips, Instagram, YouTube. That is a nutty number, man. [1:08:01] And I think Dana and Hunter, they were thinking it could get to like a billion people see it. [1:08:06] Which is just nuts. Yeah. In some form, you know, highlight reels, clips. I mean, just the Gaethje fight alone, just the highlight reels. How many people watch those on Instagram and TikTok? Totally. The awareness of the event of the moment was so huge. It was like nothing else. [1:08:22] Like, it didn't feel like any other event we'd ever... Like, I was nervous before it started. Yeah. Like, I never get nervous for the UFC. I get excited. But I was, like, legitimately nervous. [1:08:32] I was feeling a little like, this is crazy. We're on the White House lawn? Nuts. Nuts. [1:08:37] The flyover is when it really hit. [1:08:39] Yeah, but when they had all those jets together and they were so close to each other, like imagine if one of those fucking cliffs under their wing and spirals right into the ellipse. Yeah. [1:08:49] Yeah, crazy. [1:08:51] What a spectacle. Yeah. They would have definitely canceled the fights because they canceled the White House Correspondents' Dinner because of that assassination attempt. God damn it.

[1:09:00] Oh, you had a bunch of bangers on that, I heard. Yeah. So annoying. I was more excited for that than, like, anything. How did they just cancel it? Why didn't they reschedule it? Maybe they're going to wait until the ballroom's finished. Because that's the argument for the ballroom, that they could have it at a place like that where it's completely secured. Yeah. [1:09:18] Yeah. [1:09:19] Kurt Masquer thinks the whole thing's fake. [1:09:21] Oh, another fake assassination attempt? Yeah. How'd that guy get in there? Yeah. I think... [1:09:28] Some people are just incompetent. [1:09:31] There's incompetence. There's bad security. There's people that don't do their job. There's also people that you didn't expect to be a problem and were a problem. [1:09:39] And you're in a hotel. [1:09:41] also the guy made it [1:09:43] to the first level of the first scanning of security. It's not like he made it into the thing. But he did shoot somebody, right? Yeah. [1:09:53] I think he shot one of the Secret Service agents in his bulletproof vest. Yeah. [1:09:57] Is that true, Jamie? I think so. [1:09:59] See, there were so many stories online, it's so hard to know. [1:10:02] what was true and what was not. [1:10:04] But I think the guy was a teacher. [1:10:06] Like a substitute teacher. [1:10:08] Nuts. It's all nuts. It's like, man, you didn't think this out? I rescheduled it for July 24th. Oh, okay. The Correspondence Dinner? Yep. Wow. I did not know that. You might want to polish up some of them bits. Yeah, it's going to be some new stuff. Go back and tag some of them with some current events. Where are they going to have it? [1:10:29] Sorry, I started to...

[1:10:31] uh, [1:10:32] If they have it at the same spot, that's not smart. [1:10:44] They might wait to release that. [1:10:48] Yeah, it's not saying. Oh, Waldorf Astoria. Oh, okay. [1:10:54] Well... [1:10:56] I guarantee you they'll... [1:10:57] Tighten that bitch up a little bit. Oh, yeah. This episode is brought to you by Visible. It's officially summer, folks. And boy, what a summer we are having. It feels like one of those good old-fashioned summers where you just want to enjoy every moment and keep up with the action. Your best companion this summer, Visible Wireless. Visible gives you unlimited 5G data and unlimited hotspot powered by Verizon for just $25 a month. [1:11:27] Visible is more than just a wireless plan. It's unlimited wireless designed to always keep you connected with no contract to tie you down. Switch today at visible.com. Plan start at $25 a month or get our premium Visible Plus Pro plan and save $10 on your first month when you use promo code Rogan. Terms apply. See visible.com for plan features and network management details. [1:11:55] This episode is brought to you by Squarespace, the home of my website, JoeRogan.com. If you want to level up your business, you've got to improve your website. Squarespace gives you everything you need to get a fully custom website, offer services, sell products, and get paid all in one place.

[1:12:25] Rogan to get 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. [1:12:31] I... [1:12:32] No, he was excited to do the jokes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, he was very pumped. Yeah. [1:12:38] they were bangers. I ran them. Um, [1:12:41] Because the thing happened, I happened to be performing at the Kennedy Center. [1:12:45] the next weekend. So I ran the jokes and [1:12:50] And I realized that I had Adam Ray as a special guest that was on before me. He brought me on stage. So, yeah. [1:12:57] I go, you know what? Even I wrote jokes for the president of the United States to make fun of the press and everybody at the White House Correspondents Dinner. But I just realized Adam's here. Adam, you want to come out and read these in Trump's voice? And so he was seeing the jokes for the first time. [1:13:13] Oh, that's hilarious. And reading them, and we had so much fun. I didn't know he does a Trump, which doesn't surprise me. I mean, his impressions are insane. He can do anything. Yeah, he can do anything. He didn't even – he was dabbling in a Biden – [1:13:25] the week that I hit him up to do Trump Biden, which I think is a fucking God, I think it's like 40 million or seven, some crazy amount. And again, just like the UFC, God only knows after clips, but it was a monumental comedy fucking moment. Having Shane as Trump right before the election, Adam is Biden right before the election, right after their first debate where Biden was clearly fucking zonked and sleepy and just couldn't compete at all. And so [1:13:55] I hit up Adam via text. I'm like, do you have a Biden? He's like, I cover it for five seconds in my stand-up. I'm like, uh...

[1:14:04] are you free on Monday to fly to Austin and do Biden if I can get Shane as Trump? And I remember telling Shane, I'm like, this is going to be an interesting ask. [1:14:14] Uh... [1:14:16] But I, you know, I'm just like, hey, Adam's got a Biden. And Shane's like, I have something to do on Monday. I'm canceling it. I'm doing Trump. He immediately saw the brilliance. It was just such a hot topic at the time. And my God, it was fucking crazy. There's clips that I see of that episode and I never rewatch Kill Tony's or anything. I'll see clips sometimes and I literally go. [1:14:39] Oh, my God. Holy fucking shit. There's one part where Trump goes, how many more retards are you going to bring out here? Because there have been like two handicapped people on this show. All right. How many more retards do you have? As I'm pulling a name out of the bucket in real time, I go, anything can happen, Mr. President. Let's see what the next guy is like. And he comes out and he has like these weird deformed penguin arms. Oh, God. And you see Shane as Trump and the crowd's dying because they see him first. [1:15:09] Trump look and go, fuck. It's just one of his facial reactions to things are like his greatest secret fucking hilarious weapon. And when he's Trump, it's even amplified. It's like, in my opinion, 10 or 20 percent funnier than even Shane is. I mean, I'm sure he'd admit to this and know it because Trump is just such an interesting, polarizing character. And his take on him is so fucking funny. It's psychotic. His impression is so good.

[1:15:36] It's the greatest Trump impression of all time because it's like the jokes are so good. Oh, by far. He's so good. What's funny, Jim? [1:15:44] It's so epic. Back it up a little bit. Another fun appearance by Drew Nickens. This is the best. [1:15:54] All right. Tony, how many more retarded guys do you have back then? Anything can happen. This crowd is hungry for more retarded guys. Frankly, I don't think we've seen enough retarded guys. [1:16:06] would you like to see it? [1:16:08] This next person could be one. I pulled it out of the bucket. It is the Kill Tony debut, I do believe, of Jacob Barr, everybody. Jacob Barr. [1:16:19] Oh, my God. Holy shit. Thank you. Well, well, well. Oh, my God. Okay. Careful what you're waiting for. [1:16:30] Okay, hold on. We're going to reset this, Jacob. [1:16:34] What's funny is Adam knows better than anybody that you're not supposed to say anything after the bucket bowl comes up. So me grabbing the mic out of his hand and putting it down is even another layer of hilarious to all of us. It's like Biden's misbehaving. [1:16:50] I don't know. Did you see Shane's face when he notices his hands? This is it. Look. [1:16:56] and then fuck he's our Jackie Gleason oh yeah without a doubt plus plus man he's the great one of our generation what people don't realize I mean obviously is that

[1:17:14] He is that funny all the fucking time. All the time. When we're hanging out in the green room. Every bar, every restaurant, every green room, every stairway, fucking anywhere, everything. He, I always compare it to Mike Tyson in his prime. He just hits harder and different, doing the smallest little things. Even if it's a face, if somebody says something and he just like reacts to it, it's crazy. It's also always fun. He's a fun guy. He wants to have fun. [1:17:44] Thank you. [1:17:45] Like, even when he's cracking jokes, it's fun. I know he was very reluctant to do the roast. You know, he was a little reluctant to even host that. Like, I don't want to do those things. Yeah. You know, but... [1:17:57] Well, everything is, you know, everything could be something. He crushed so hard. It caused a real ruckus. Him and I... [1:18:06] end capping that thing. You know what I mean? Yeah. It was supposed to be this roast of black excellence and me and Shane are just fucking having... [1:18:15] the time of our lives. He got to do... Who said it was a roast of black excellence? You're just saying that because it was Kevin Hart? Well, yeah. That's like... That was like... It wasn't like explicitly stated or anything, right? Hmm... [1:18:26] Because imagine if you said we're going to have a roast of white excellence. Right. Exactly. Oh, I know. Oh, yeah. It's weird. You can and can't say. Oh, yeah. That's weird. Oh, yeah. You know? Yeah. That's a whole thing with that. I mean, you can't talk about this, but you can talk about that. Well, it's just weird what we accept.

[1:18:46] Which doesn't bother me at all, but Cain Velasquez, when he fought in the UFC, he used to have brown pride tattooed on his chest. [1:18:53] Cool. And his family came over from Mexico. They literally walked here. [1:18:57] Yeah. White pride. Not so popular. Right. White pride on your chest. You know, fucking Sean Strickland just decided to get white pride. And he posted a picture on Instagram of him as a world champion with white pride on his chest next to Cain Velasquez as a world champion with brown pride on his chest. [1:19:18] And people would lose their fucking minds. And again, not saying that Sean would ever put white pride on his chest. He would. No, he would. I follow him on Twitter. He would. Trust me. He's a wild boy. He did a temporary tattoo. He showed up at the UFC even though he was banned? [1:19:37] He showed up and they arrested him? Yeah. [1:19:42] They kicked him out. He's the world champion. There's a UFC event at the White House. At the time, before Justin won, he was the only American world champion. Yeah. [1:19:54] And they're like, you can't come. [1:19:55] Yeah, because you talk too much shit about Israel. Mm-hmm. [1:19:58] He's a wild boy. But that's wild that your criticism about Israel – [1:20:04] is what keeps you from going to the White House. [1:20:07] as a world champion in world title fights at the White House. [1:20:12] Yeah. Like you would think you would want to celebrate the American male world champion.

[1:20:16] I think he said some other stuff too, though. [1:20:18] There's some Epstein stuff there. He's a wild boy. [1:20:24] I told him when he retires from fighting, he 100% should do a podcast. And he was like, you know, I've seen these guys doing these streamers. I go, you don't have to do that. You don't have to do it that way. He's like, I couldn't do that. Just sit there every day and talk to people. I'd lose my fucking mind. I'm like, right, but you don't have to do that. Just your opinions on things. He's an awesome podcast guest. I'm like, he could totally... [1:20:49] Totally do that. Just talk about stuff. And also... [1:20:53] Sean, when he lets the whole shtick down and just gives you his opinions on things, very smart guy. He's not stupid at all. [1:21:02] And he would get better at it. [1:21:04] As he did it more. He easily could do a podcast. [1:21:07] Thank you. [1:21:08] Thank you. [1:21:09] yeah he's entertaining as fuck i just can't believe they kicked him out of the white house and that is they kicked him out of the ellipse that area there's i think there's a video of it so you can find the video of it [1:21:19] Like, sorry, guys. Like, they got like fucking six cops and bulletproof vests. Yeah, I think there was like 85,000 people there. So it's funny that they're like, that one, the champion. It's just he wasn't supposed to be there. He's banned. He was not invited or whatever. But even if you're not invited, shouldn't you be able to go to the fan area? [1:21:38] If you're the world champion, if you want to be that wild with no security, and there's video of him from the first night, from the night of the weigh-ins, where they found out that he was there, it's amazing. Because he was wearing a hoodie the entire time, and someone told him he's got to take off the hoodie, and he's like, I can't listen.

[1:21:54] It's going to be a problem. [1:21:55] And as soon as he takes off the hoodie, he goes, that's fucking Joe Strickland. And then he's just surrounded by bros. Hilarious. Just getting hugged to death. [1:22:05] He asked some dude, some dude asked him to leg kick him. So Sean leg kicked some kid. [1:22:11] Crazy. World champion fucking kicking some kid. What is this world coming to? [1:22:18] There's starting to be some... So here's him. [1:22:20] Is there audio? [1:22:23] . [1:22:31] This is crazy. [1:22:39] He's the most entertaining. That Josh Hockett. Hockett? Yeah. My God. [1:22:46] That was what was hilarious was people were so upset that he said Michelle Obama's a man at the White House. It's like that's what he's doing. He's doing it on purpose. He's literally wearing an American flag bandana. He comes out to a Hulk Hogan song. He's wearing sunglasses. Yeah, it's not appropriate. You're right. Yeah. Right. [1:23:07] But... [1:23:07] He said the exact same thing when I interviewed him somewhere else. [1:23:12] He said, I'm pretty sure he said Michelle Obama's a man like last time I interviewed him. That's what I heard. It's not his first rodeo at the Michelle Obama's a man. That's how he ends his interviews.

[1:23:24] Hilarious. He's trying to get people to talk about him. Yep. [1:23:27] You know, it's the whole thing is so crazy. [1:23:29] But, [1:23:31] All of it would be nothing if he couldn't fight. Exactly. That's where it's real exciting is the pre-fight stuff. [1:23:39] I mean, the post-fight interview, pretty polarizing, obviously, because that was the news. But for the real fans paying attention, you didn't get to see them do that [1:23:49] Did I send it to you, the Kill Tony Minute that he did at the press conference? I heard about it. Oh, my God. So funny because he's, like, purposefully bombing. So he's literally doing a joke. He says, you guys know Tony Hinchcliffe? I'm going to do my Kill Tony Minute. And he's purposefully, like, bombing. It's corny, purposeful, bad jokes. And he's going, man, tough crowd. All right, let me try this one. And it's, like, literally being hilarious by strategically – [1:24:16] trying to be funny but not being funny. You could tell that he was planning on nobody laughing, but that it set up punch. [1:24:25] He's just fucking trying to entertain. He's trolling. He's trolling. He's getting attention. [1:24:32] And then the most important thing, he can fight. Yeah. That dude's good. He's fucking good, man. He's fast as shit. For a heavyweight, he's very light on his feet. Fast as shit, fast hands. [1:24:44] Yeah, so fun to watch. And, you know, what's interesting is he talked a lot of shit about Alex Pereira. [1:24:50] And, you know, I want a shama on your mama or all that crazy shit. Yeah.

[1:24:55] Pereira losing to Cyril Ghosn if Pereira decides to fight again, I don't know if he's gonna fight again. He might be done I think he said he might be done. I [1:25:04] But I mean, a lot of fighters say that after a fight and especially after a loss. Yeah. Let them sit around for a while. Then they come up with. He's not done. They back up the Brinks truck. Get him versus Josh Hoke. Get him. Oh, my God. As a co-main event on a fucking banging New Year's Eve card. Oh, yeah. Let's go. Hoke will be making fun of his headdress and his face makeup. Oh, it would be insane. It would be insane. Yeah. [1:25:28] But the thing is, Hokus got to deal with that guy. [1:25:31] That's a different guy. That's not Derek Lewis. [1:25:34] I mean, if he continues to fight heavyweight... [1:25:36] It is interesting watching a guy who's been so dominant at 85 and at 205 with all that extra weight on him. [1:25:45] I don't know if that necessarily was the right move. [1:25:49] You know, I mean, I think like some weight is probably good, but maybe even 20 pounds lighter, like maybe 230 something. Maybe that would be a better weight if he wants to fight it heavyweight because it seems like he was carrying. [1:26:00] I mean, just – you ever work out with a weight vest on? Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Like a 25-pound weight vest, it's nuts how much harder everything is. So you've got to realize he had fought at 185 and he fought at 205. That was what he weighed in at. But let's be honest. At 185, I think he probably weighed 220-something, 226 I think it was, fight night, which is nuts. That's 40 pounds difference.

[1:26:30] 235, 236, something like that. [1:26:33] But still was not... [1:26:35] didn't look like he looked at 251. 251, he looked like he was carrying unnecessary weight. [1:26:42] A little bit of it at least. And if he was just like 20 pounds lighter, he would still have that speed and movement. But he's always had crazy knockout power. It might be a better weight for him. It just seemed like it was a lot of weight he had on him. And it all went to his ass. His ass was giant. Fat ass. Big fat ass. You know me. You know that's all I'm looking at. That's why I watch UFC. And yeah, it was all there. [1:27:07] It's like a backpack. Well, that's where all the power comes from. When you're pushing off your feet and you're pushing off those fucking quads and pushing into those glutes and then torquing that body the way he does. [1:27:18] ferocious power, dude. But damn, that Cyril Gaon's good. Woo! Yeah, crazy. He's so good, dude. And he's in his prime right now. Cyril Gaon is really coming into his own. [1:27:30] There's no heavyweight like him. No one moves like him. Yeah, I was going to say extremely accurate for a heavyweight. Not just accurate, agile. Because we were talking about this the other day, that basketball is a great place to start. If you're a big athlete and you want to learn combat sports, especially striking. [1:27:48] Because think about how many direction changes basketball players take, where they're always kind of doing that. They're always spinning and moving. It's a series of plyometrics. It's a series of hops and jumps, like Jordan's jump. [1:28:00] Imagine if Jordan had a flying knee.

[1:28:02] Right. Right. Yeah. He's hit you with a flying knee from 14 feet away. Yeah. What do you got? I was... [1:28:09] back one. [1:28:09] What's that? [1:28:11] Cyril Ghosn playing basketball. It's interesting because – Oh, Cyril Ghosn, yeah. So he started out playing basketball. At least where I come from, basketball season and wrestling season are at the same time. So I wonder what he was doing back then. Well, he's in France, right? So France does not know wrestling in their high school or in their college. And he learned wrestling after he had become a really elite world-class Muay Thai fighter. [1:28:38] So he's got... [1:28:39] The grappling has come up in big ways. Like his grappling is much better than it used to be. But really, primarily, he's a striker. [1:28:47] And when John fought him, like John just got him to the ground and submitted him like quickly. It's like the difference. I think that fight was kind of a big ass wake up call. And Francis beat him, too. So Francis beat him by just Francis just got a hold of him. And most of the fight was on the ground, a giant chunk of it, because Francis fought that fight with a blown out ACL. Wow. [1:29:09] Defended his world title with a blown out ACL. Had big-ass knee pads on. Oof. I know. Wobbly-ass knee. But that's how dangerous Francis is. Yeah. [1:29:18] He could just win it with grappling. It's a shame that he's not in the UFC. It's a real shame. Yeah. [1:29:25] Because, like... [1:29:26] That whole thing was what drove everyone crazy about boxing. It was really hard to get these guys together. And this was the whole idea, why everybody was excited about what Riyadh's season was doing.

[1:29:39] And Turkey Al-Sheikh and all those people that put together these big-ass fights like Tyson Fury and Alexander Usyk. And the last one they just did, Rico Verhoeven and Usyk. They're putting together these big, crazy fights. [1:29:55] That was the thing that drove everybody nuts about boxing, and that's what drives everybody nuts about MMA. It's the heavyweight division, the fact that the best heavyweight, or at least the guy who was the lineal heavyweight champion in the world – [1:30:08] isn't even fighting for the UFC. That's crazy. [1:30:11] Crazy. Yeah. Who knows? Maybe one day, right? Nope. I don't think so. I tried to make it happen. Damn. I think we need to get those dudes together. Look at that. [1:30:19] Look at Serial Gone. [1:30:21] dunking [1:30:22] That's crazy. I know. See, that kind of ability to throw your body around like that is so huge as a striker. Yeah. Because a lot of those guys are plotting. They're plotters. They just kind of wobble through. [1:30:34] I think what they need to do is get Francis and the UFC together. They all do mushrooms. Yeah. Just like make friends. Yeah. Because he doesn't have much time left. I think Francis is 38. [1:30:45] Is that how old he is? [1:30:48] I think he's 38, which is different as a heavyweight. Heavyweights have turned 40 in September. Whoa. Not much time left. Right. 40, you can do. But unless you're Bernard Hopkins fighting at a world-class level in your 40s, kind of unheard of. [1:31:04] I remember when Bernard Hopkins fought Kelly Pavlik, a lot of people did not think that he had a chance. Oh, yeah. I remember it very clearly. And he outboxed the fuck out of Kelly Pavlik. He looked so good. Truly the executioner. I want to say he was in his 40s.

[1:31:21] when that happened. [1:31:22] I think so. How old was Bernard Hopkins when he fought Kelly Pavlik? [1:31:28] He fought at a world-class level until he was 50 years old. Yeah. Yeah. [1:31:31] Just nuts. Yeah. Nuts. We were all watching that one, everybody from Youngstown going, all right, this is it. We're going to get back on the right path because it was after his loss to – [1:31:41] Margarita? [1:31:42] Is that right? [1:31:44] It's the guy that got... [1:31:45] caught with the cement in his gloves against the one guy. Antonio Margarito, I do believe. [1:31:50] 43. Wow. He was 43 years old. Wow. Crazy. Against a 26-year-old. Crazy. Especially at 170 pounds. Nobody thinks at that weight that you can be competitive at a world-class level into your 40s. Most of the time, people just write you off on that number. They don't even care what you look like. He's not going to be able to do it. Was he the first one to beat Kelly? Is that what I just [1:32:20] So he lost to him and that's where shit started to get fucked up. [1:32:24] uh [1:32:25] Because then he went Allah. [1:32:26] A bad run after that. Well, when you got beat up like that, it's just tough on the brain, dude. There's only so many of them fights that you could take where you get really beat up like that but not put it on them. There's been a bunch of fights where a fighter got beat up really badly and then they were never the same again. [1:32:45] Meldrick Taylor versus Julio Cesar Chavez. That's a great example. Chavez just put it on him and dropped him in the final moments of the round. And then Richard Steele stopped it. And it was like this crazy fucking controversy because he stopped the fight with like one second to go in a fight that Meldrick was ahead on the scorecards.

[1:33:04] But the real... [1:33:06] The real story of that fight was that the damage that – [1:33:09] Chavez had put on Meldrick. Meldrick was never the same again. [1:33:13] Thank you. [1:33:13] Pavlik actually won his next two fights and then had a bad staph infection problem. [1:33:18] Oh, wow. So after he beat... [1:33:21] Sergio, so... [1:33:23] He was set to fight Paul Williams to a major cell infection, and allergic reaction to some antibiotics nearly killed him. Whoa. [1:33:31] He eventually was able to fight again against light middleweight champion Sergio Martinez. Oh, Sergio Martinez. I beat him. [1:33:38] Martinez beat him. [1:33:43] by, yeah, unanimous 12-round decision. Sergio Martinez was a bad motherfucker, too. Yes, he was. [1:33:51] Yeah. [1:33:54] In late rounds, Martinez came up. It's just a crazy sport, man. You only have so many wars in you. There's only so many times you can do that. And the really clever guys are the guys who just don't get hit much. I went down a Madonna rabbit hole recently. Oh, my God. That fucking guy's a freak. Oh, he's an animal. What a career. He was an animal. Unbelievable. He fought everybody. He was one of the few guys to really rock Floyd Mayweather. Yeah. Knocked his tooth out. [1:34:23] This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Listening to this podcast instead of doom-scrolling? Smart move. Another smart move? Getting help from one of State Farm's 19,000 local agents when you choose to bundle home and auto. Bundling. Just another way to save with the personal price plan. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings, and eligibility vary by state.

[1:34:49] Introducing Taco Bell's new jalapeno citrus salsa with bright citrus, real red jalapenos, guajillo chiles. Usually, you add sauce to the food, but when the sauce is this good, the food is just there to get the sauce to your mouth. That rolled quesadilla, not a rolled quesadilla anymore. Now it's a sauce shovel. Taco Bell's jalapeno citrus salsa. Get it with any item on the Cantina Chicken Menu while it's here. The participating U.S. Taco Bell locations for a limited time only. While supplies last, contact store for availability. [1:35:18] and wore his tooth around a chain. Oh, I love that. Yeah, he got Floyd's tooth... [1:35:24] And wore it as a piece of – see if you can find the tooth that Madonna had. Look at that. Oh, my God. That is so cool. How hilarious is that? [1:35:34] That's... [1:35:35] So funny. He had his tooth put on a fucking... He wears Floyd's tooth on a necklace. Wow. [1:35:42] That's crazy. Boy, what a square-jawed motherfucker that guy is, huh? Yeah. Look at that jaw. [1:35:49] That guy looks like he could hit him with a baseball bat. [1:35:51] He was a tough dude. Insane career. I think he fought everybody. The Broner fight, too. He dropped Broner. That was when Broner was in his prime. [1:35:59] Yeah. [1:36:00] He was a beast. [1:36:02] It's a hard-ass fucking sport. Any combat sport. It is a hard way to make a living. [1:36:09] Profitable. Do you see all the stuff that's going on with Floyd? [1:36:12] Yeah, I can't wrap my head around it. I don't understand how someone makes that much money in... [1:36:18] doesn't pay taxes or whatever.

[1:36:20] Yeah, well, I could tell you how. You run out of money. You spend so much money on things. Do you think he has a business manager? [1:36:31] Maybe he wasn't looking out for his best interest. [1:36:34] Just... [1:36:35] You gotta put somebody in charge of that amount of money. You would think. [1:36:41] You would think $750 million would last you a while. Yeah. I mean, he's not even 50. You give one guy 5%. How old is Floyd now? [1:36:50] Thank you. [1:36:51] Yeah, put some away. But the thing is, it's like that lifestyle. His lifestyle was all about showing you his wealth. His lifestyle. He's 49. He's 49. [1:37:02] So, [1:37:03] Imagine making $750 million and you're 49, you're broke. [1:37:07] Oh, God. [1:37:08] That's crazy. But Tyson talks openly about how he spent hundreds of millions of dollars, just went through it. [1:37:15] If you're living that life where you're just wearing diamonds everywhere and you're buying crazy watches and Floyd does these things. You're seeing him where he'll go into a hotel room when he's traveling and he talks about the watches that he brought. And so he opens up suitcases with millions of dollars in watches. [1:37:33] He just opens suitcase. You ever seen these? No. Find them because they're kind of hilarious. He's just trying to figure out which one he wants to wear. He brings them all with him. Yeah. It's just showing off. And you're showing off that he's got two suitcases filled with diamond encrusted Patek Philippe's and, you know.

[1:37:51] the most high-end of watches. [1:37:54] Look at this. [1:37:56] Do you have the clip? Here it is. Let me put some volume on this. Look at this. [1:38:01] I'm always in my fucking business worried about what I'm doing, what Floyd is doing, what Floyd ain't doing, what I do got, what I don't got. [1:38:09] Just know, I'm gonna stay in my lane, I ain't gonna fuck with nobody, and I don't want nobody fucking with me. If I go on vacation, my fault. When I go on vacation, [1:38:18] For 30 days? [1:38:19] I take 30 watches with me. [1:38:24] Look at this, dude. But you know what? You know what? You know what? [1:38:27] What's crazy is this, if we add 10 more days, [1:38:31] I'd take 10 more watches. [1:38:34] But then I say, fuck it. [1:38:37] If I want to bring out the one and only, then I bring out the watch that cost $18 million. Oh, Jesus. [1:38:43] Matter of fact, you know what I'm gonna do for you motherfucking hens today? I'm gonna go fuck on $50,000 cuz I ain't got shit else to do. [1:38:49] Thank you. [1:38:50] Money made. [1:38:51] all motherfucking day. [1:38:53] So that's the problem. [1:38:57] You can only do for so long. Yeah. So... [1:39:00] If you have one $18 million watch, like, okay, let's not get crazy. Let's not get crazy. You wanted to get it, you got it. You have $750 million. You have one $18 million watch. You can't have... [1:39:13] 18 Watches. [1:39:16] That cost millions of dollars because you're going to need more. You're going to keep wanting to buy more. You're going to run out of money. How many Rolls Royces do you have? Okay, each one of those is a half a million dollars. You have four or five of them?

[1:39:29] Hmm. [1:39:29] How many Ferraris? You got 10 Ferraris. Okay, what? [1:39:33] Some of those Ferraris are almost a million dollars. You have 10 almost a million dollar cars. Okay, so just in watches and cars alone, we're looking at 50, 60 million. [1:39:45] Okay? And then you have to make 120 plus to actually have 60. Okay. [1:39:49] I don't know if he's leasing them. I don't know how he's financing things. I don't know. But [1:39:53] I just love to know. He can make that money back by... [1:39:58] He can make the money that he needs back by literally making a super documentary about how he spent it. You ever seen that 30 for 30 broke? [1:40:06] About how the NFL players all spent their money? No. Well, it's unbelievable. One of the easiest watches ever. [1:40:12] Thank you. [1:40:13] And like... [1:40:15] It [1:40:15] It's got to be 30 for 30's biggest production ever. It's everywhere. It's just huge. And who the hell doesn't want to know about that? Right. And I'm waiting on that Nicolas Cage doc that probably nobody's making either. Because he's a different version of that. He is? You know about this. He went broke? Oh, yeah. But then he made it back again. [1:40:38] Well, yeah, he works his ass off. So he went on a... He's on a terror. He's just making movies left and right. [1:40:46] And... [1:40:47] Yeah. [1:40:49] He faced severe financial struggles in the late 2000s, going from $150 million fortune to being $6 million in debt. Whoa. He never officially filed for bankruptcy, but he cleared his debts by relentlessly taking on movie roles, including direct-to-video films and selling off extensive real estate and assets. I guess he bought a lot of T-Rex skulls. He spent his money on crazy things. He didn't just go watches and cars. He would find crazy pieces of art and stuff.

[1:41:16] I can old [1:41:18] historical things I think [1:41:20] Well, he was a movie star from way back then. [1:41:24] You've got to realize, like, what was his first film? I think his first film was, like, 1980 or something. Yeah. I remember him being a movie star when I was in high school. Yeah. [1:41:32] That's a lot of time of being in that bizarro Hollywood bubble of, [1:41:38] Getting your brain cooked by fame. Yeah. [1:41:40] He's one of those you can watch him do anythings. [1:41:43] like. [1:41:44] one of those freaks where [1:41:46] Even though people will say, I don't like this Nicolas Cage thing. I don't like that. From an article about what he spent his money on. $455,000 for two snakes. [1:41:59] Okay, so it was $276,000 in 2005, the equivalent of $455,000 today. [1:42:06] Thanks, Inflation. [1:42:07] How crazy is that? [1:42:09] Think about that. $275,000 in 2005 is $455,000 today. Damn. [1:42:16] How fun is inflation? Wow. [1:42:19] What was Nicolas Cage's first movie? [1:42:22] Officially? Yeah. He was in a few things like unofficially. Just that crazy movie with him and... Raising Arizona had to be like the first big hit, right? That was a big one. [1:42:33] That was a big one. [1:42:35] Amen. [1:42:37] These new ones are good too. [1:42:39] These wacky ones. His filmography, if you go all the way back. 1982, Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Is Nicholas Coppola. Valley Girl is what I was thinking of. That was in 83.

[1:42:50] Yeah. [1:42:51] Credit as Nicolas Coppola. That's before he changed his name because he didn't want to be connected. [1:42:56] What is his uncle? Francis Ford Coppola? Is that what it is? Yeah. [1:43:00] Valley Girl so Valley Girl was 83 so I was in high school dude Raising Arizona Peggy Sue Got Married those are big too big those are huge movies dude Raising Arizona so fucking funny [1:43:11] I saw that like a year ago. [1:43:14] I forgot how funny it was. Remember Tex Cobb was in there? The boxer with the flat nose who fought Larry Holmes? [1:43:22] He did a bunch of movies. The big white guy? Yeah. Big fucking corn-fed white guy. On the motorcycle? Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's great. It's a Coen Brothers movie, right? Raising Arizona is. [1:43:34] Those guys might be the goats. [1:43:36] They might be the goats of comedy. Them and the Farrelly brothers. Yep. No doubt. Yeah, how many amazing, hilarious fucking movies. And the Coen brothers, they were always so out there. Everything's so out there. [1:43:47] Some of their films are just like, what the fuck are you guys doing? Like, was Kingpin Farrelly Brothers? Yes. Those guys, too. Without a doubt. Fuck, that was good. Unbelievable. Fuck, that's a funny movie. So fucking great. It's crazy. So funny. The scene where he's throwing up in the toilet when she's talking about him eating her pussy to pay his rent. Oh, my God. [1:44:11] Woody's range is incredible. You know what I heard about that movie? [1:44:17] get really excited when Bill Murray throws three strikes because he had to throw three strikes in a row. And so they said, this might take a while. So we're going to really need your enthusiasm. And then Bill Murray actually threw three strikes. And then Bill Murray actually threw

[1:44:29] Three strikes in a row, first attempt, and everybody went crazy, like for real. Because they were, you know, like they were said, this is not going to happen this way. So when he actually did it, everybody went fucking bananas. [1:44:42] Nuts. Fuck, such a good movie. I love it. [1:44:45] Dude, Woody's a freak, bro. Since he's moved here and goes to kill Tony and, like... [1:44:51] we hang out and stuff. [1:44:53] only... [1:44:54] After. [1:44:55] making friends with him [1:44:59] Like, I knew he did a lot of great stuff, but he sneaks up in so many great things. It's crazy. [1:45:05] insane he's in fucking um what is the cohen brothers one with uh not there will be blood it was made at the same time with javier bardem oh my god how am i blanking on this it's uh [1:45:16] No country for old men. [1:45:18] oh that's right he's in it and he's not even they don't even like promote him on that or anything he just comes in the movie halfway through with all these other fucking greats and is crushing it's hard to think that that's the cohen brothers movie the people versus larry flint he's a freak of nature fucking well that thing that you sent me the other day with him when he's playing lbj oh my god it's so good [1:45:43] I randomly stumbled across that one. I'm like, oh, I'll fall asleep to this. Woody is LBJ, and it's one of those movies that fucking kept me awake because it was so goddamn gut mesmerizing. Super nice guy, too. Like, easy to hang out with. Oh, my God, the best. Very chill with everybody. Just hangs out. When he's in the green room, he's just like one of us. Yeah. Normal.

[1:46:03] Yep. [1:46:04] It's just hard to do. When you've been famous that long, just be cool. Yeah. But also he doesn't have a phone. [1:46:10] You get a hold of him. You got to go through his wife to get a hold of him. He's smart. Just insulates himself from all the nonsense. Brilliant. So smart. That's the way to do it. Yeah, but I think when you get to like that level, you kind of have to or you'll go crazy. Yeah. [1:46:23] You know? Yeah. He has his fun. He likes laughing, sipping his tequila. [1:46:29] smoking his weed. He's got it all figured out. [1:46:32] grows his own weed [1:46:33] makes his own tequila, eats live food or whatever, and just laughs and enjoys life. It's perfect. Yeah, it's nice to know that people can make it through that crazy maze. [1:46:46] And, you know, you could either go nuts and buy Tyrannosaurus Rex skulls, or you could just completely disconnect from it all and just be yourself. [1:46:56] Just keep killing it. I know him and McConaughey have a TV show that's coming out where they play brothers, right? Yeah. Yeah. [1:47:04] I think it's on Apple TV coming out soon. Yeah. [1:47:08] Mmm. [1:47:10] yeah [1:47:11] So – [1:47:13] What's it been like, like the weirdness? [1:47:16] The post roast weirdness. [1:47:18] I'm always surprised by these things. I'm always surprised that... [1:47:23] they last so long that anybody's talking about it. [1:47:28] It's so bizarre. I was surprised... [1:47:32] With the Pang Dang thing, I was surprised at the Trump thing. And this one is really surprising.

[1:47:39] Other ones are like, ah, there's a time and a place for jokes like that, or this or that, or whatever. [1:47:46] And this is the time and the place for it is like the roast of Kevin Hart. You know, I'm going to go for it. [1:47:52] Yeah. And we roasted Kevin. You know, I did a fucking George Floyd joke in the, uh, at the Tom Brady roast. And I did a, who's the white guy that shot people? Um. [1:48:07] uh [1:48:08] It's the same fan base as, goddammit, the kid that shot people up in wherever. [1:48:14] The white guy shot a couple people, had a gun at a thing. They made it look like it was black people, but it was actually white people that he shot that were shooting at him or had guns. What's his name? Has the... I have no idea who you're talking about. God damn it. David Lucas, his friends with him, brought him to the club. Oh, Kyle Rittenhouse. That's it, that's it. I did a Kyle Rittenhouse joke, I did this, and then this one, people are offended. [1:48:40] Or something. I don't know. And yeah, if you just watch that clip on my dismount, it's a crazy clip. But if you watch the entire flow of the roast set, it's just one last departing joke. Which, that's my thing, man. It's like, I knew Earthquake would be standing up on his feet like he was halfway through my set. You know, there's standing O's that are happening during my actual roast.

[1:49:10] big roast, you know, they set you to an allotted time. So I'm like, okay, I'm going to do something I don't normally do and blast off more jokes per minute than I normally do instead of milking it and getting applause breaks and things like that. I'm just going to create a bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, final stand of things. [1:49:28] You know, what's funny is that [1:49:31] I have something that's supposed to offend everybody. Like, I don't want you to like 100% of any of my jokes. I'm not that guy. I'm heelish. [1:49:41] I'm a bad guy wrestling fan. You're a pro wrestling heel. Exactly. So what's funny... [1:49:47] People got offended about the George Floyd thing, and a lot of people said, yeah, well, Pete Davidson did a Charlie Kirk joke. [1:49:54] And they're comparing these things from two different spectrums. But what they didn't mention is that I did a Charlie Kirk joke in my set. [1:50:01] So, [1:50:02] Fuck them, fuck them, fuck them, fuck them. You know what I mean? Everybody gets them. Everybody gets it is always my whole point. Everybody gets them jokes. Everybody does. I said that Kevin has... [1:50:14] quite the fan base. He has more gunfire at his merch table than Charlie Kirk. Yeah. Or whatever. And... [1:50:22] So... [1:50:23] For people to nitpick that joke and be offended. And it's funny because it was a lot of comedians, a lot of black comedians were like, I'm upset about this. They made their videos, which is just hilarious because they're not on the roast. They're not in attendance at the roast. You saw Tiffany Haddish. That was the best one. Nobody handled it better than her. Find Tiffany Haddish getting asked questions. Was it a TMZ thing? Yeah.

[1:50:53] about the roast because she handled it so perfectly. They were trying to beat everybody. Of course they were. Everybody. Even Cheryl Underwood who handled it all like a champ. We made friends before [1:51:06] at a netflix brunch that week that was uh for that festival well dude i told you about cheryl yeah she's the shit she's awesome i i've worked with cheryl in like the early 2000s i think it was in montreal i told you she's a monster yeah she goes to stitch her purse on just clutching her purse on station murdered oh yeah [1:51:26] She'd murder. Here's listen to Tiffany. Oh, she's ready. You look so good. You have like 30 seconds to chat really quick. Yeah. So talking about Kevin Hart roast, right? Yes, it was so much fun. So Lonnie Love didn't think so. Lonnie Love was like, you know what? It's exhausting. It's edgy. [1:51:42] specifically about the George Floyd [1:51:45] joke. [1:51:46] what are you thinking? Is it just comedy... [1:51:48] should they have been a little less [1:51:50] I think it should have been shorter. The show was too long. [1:51:53] I mean, I was sitting there the whole time I had to pee. I didn't hear the George Floyd... [1:51:57] Joke, because I had to pee so bad. [1:51:59] So you went to the bathroom when that? Yeah, I was a glorified seat filler. [1:52:03] And I was tired. [1:52:05] Also, I mean, Lonnie and other people were like, oh, maybe it was a little too racially... [1:52:09] motivated what do you think [1:52:11] as far as like the jokes. [1:52:12] Is this just comedy? [1:52:14] Or are people taking it too seriously? [1:52:17] Is this all comedians saying it that wasn't invited? [1:52:21] that's the fucking comedian tiffany haddish bro that was her version of the sean o'malley walk off i love it i love it man you never forget those people that actually are answering honestly in real well real comics and again it's the same thing for 100 she's not only is it a fun walk-off home run

[1:52:51] Ended. There was no ruckus there. [1:52:53] It's just like everything else where you leave and you go, huh, this thing's kind of [1:52:59] crazily taking off it seems a lot of people are talking about that one joke at the end it's so weird we live in an outrage culture and an outrage there's a there's money in outrage there's engagement in outrage outrage is the it's the commodity that everybody wants yeah they want to be outraged yeah and they want to be right and if you're outraged and you've got a good point you just ride that fucking thing for as much juice as you can get out of it and then you move on to [1:53:29] You know, there's never in any of these things, there's never a moment where I'm like, OK, this could cause a problem. It was it's never been that way. It was high fives, high fives and laughter after my 3 p.m. set in a half filled Madison Square Garden waiting for the 8 p.m. arrival of Trump to speak. I'm, you know, on a 34 person lineup. Everyone was thrilled. Way to get the crowd going. [1:53:59] Lights were up. Like, it obviously wasn't the best position for me on that lineup, but the same exact thing. And then it's like a little bit later, you realize, like, oh, they're making a news story about the Puerto Rico joke of all things. So interesting. I told you that joke was going to be a problem. Yeah. I would have never told you to do that joke during that, but I told you that was going to be a problem in your ass. It wasn't supposed to be in my original thing for that. It was a last-second filler because they gave me more time than everybody. It was a very bizarre thing.

[1:54:29] They gave me more time for every bizarre thing. First of all, the idea that you would go on after someone. Like, who went on before you? Stephen Miller? No, not even. Who was it? It was the national anthem with a guy painting a thing. Actually, no. He went on after me. I went on right after the national anthem. But someone had some kind of a rah-rah speech. Make America Great Again. I wish there was. That all came like... [1:54:53] way after me, which is crazy. They just had me in the wrong position on the thing. And, uh... [1:54:59] You should only do stand-up where people are doing stand-up. Totally. Totally. It doesn't work. Totally. It's like, but you got to say. But then again, it did work in-house. The place isn't miked for stand-up comedy or lit for stand-up or anything like it. No, they were laughing. They were having a good old time. Well, they were probably happy that something wasn't stiff and boring. Right. You know, like taxes and fucking tariffs. I mean, Rudy Giuliani went on like three hours after me. That's crazy. Yeah. [1:55:29] Not all day. It was a super long thing. My point being is that it always surprises me that... [1:55:35] I'm the news. Even though I'm... Because... [1:55:39] If someone else said it, if it was a politician that did it or someone else, someone high up in the administration, that would make sense. Same thing with the roast. If it was a clean comedian, right, if Nate Bargatze or Jim Gaffigan were on it and they said that, that's crazy. Me saying it. [1:55:57] That's normal. They don't know that, though. See, the thing is, it's like you've achieved a level of fame that really snuck up on people over the last couple of years.

[1:56:07] It's because the rise of Kill Tony – [1:56:11] has been completely organic like there's been no promotion of kill tony that made it become what it is it's all just people sharing it on youtube sharing it online that's all it is clips and these moments you know and then you know obviously the shane moments and all the kyle dunnigan it's been so many amazing moments this is a good show it came organically and then you got to this point over the last couple years like oh we got to pay attention this fucking guy [1:56:41] And after they started attacking you from the White House thing, or the Madison Square Garden thing, rather, which is 2024, [1:56:47] Then it was on. Then it's on like Donkey Kong, right? So that's two years later. So now you're a guy that they go to, like to get mad at. And there's a bunch of people like that online, that that's their business. Their business is people are mad at them. They have hot takes, people are mad at them. I mean, that's so you've fallen into that category. And [1:57:08] So there's going to be people that genuinely don't like what you did and don't like you, and then there's going to be people that are just using it as a commodity. They're just using it as outrage, which is – [1:57:18] part of what the game is. You know, this is what they do and their engagement is [1:57:23] you know, fucking game that they play. And it's kind of what we do in the joke game. Yeah. You know, you get engagement. You get people to laugh. They you say outrageous things that you don't even really mean. But this is a funny thing to say. [1:57:35] It's just like I always say, Bob Marley didn't really shoot the sheriff. You know that, right? Right. It's like just jokes. Exactly. When you say inappropriate shit on purpose, everybody used to know that. Louis C.K. was a very left-wing progressive guy when he was saying really fucked up things that he didn't mean on purpose because they were funny. That was what he did.

[1:58:00] And everybody was fine with it. [1:58:02] Until somewhere around – it seems like it was like 2016, 2000 – like it started to turn a corner where it became like people are starting to take these things as statements rather than as comedy material. Mm-hmm. [1:58:17] And they started trying to pretend that the person really means this. [1:58:21] That's where it got crazy. And that happened around the time where social media really came into prominence. Because before that, there was no real avenue to do that. There's no real avenue to pretend you were really deeply upset. I'm sure there's some people that were upset, but there's also a lot of people that are just ill. They're online all the time on these social media apps just arguing and spitting out venom and yelling at people. [1:58:51] comes along they could be upset at they got it they have to have their take they have to have that hot take yeah [1:58:57] And if their hot take gets engagement, they're all looking at their likes, and they just start reengaging with that subject and going back on it, and this is the real problem. [1:59:07] Good luck with that. That's bad for your head, kid. [1:59:10] exactly very bad for your head all those people that I know that are like especially comics that are doing it the comics that are doing it almost all of them don't have good careers [1:59:19] No, all of them. Right. None of them have impressive careers, especially compared to their contemporaries that are doing well. And then on top of it, they're all mentally ill. [1:59:28] They're all people that are fucking filled up with pharmaceuticals and they're going to therapy. They're literally mentally ill and they're online talking about fascists. Right. You know, like, stop. Get your shit together. No one. Your opinion is not that valuable to people because they know that you're fucked up. Do you not understand that? Right.

[1:59:46] Like the way you view the world, it's not – [1:59:50] a healthy, balanced perspective. Like, you're viewing the world in this, like, [1:59:55] mentally ill lens. [1:59:57] Well, the whole online thing doesn't – it doesn't even convert to sold tickets or a bigger thing. It's such a temporary drug for them to get – to fill this void of what they're not doing. Right. It doesn't convert to them, people wanting to go see them. No. I mean some people maybe they get like a little juice out of it, but it's not enough because you're also opening the door. If you do become popular, you have to understand that if you've been spitting hate at people for – [2:00:23] a decade and then you become popular boy that hate's coming your way oh yeah it's coming your way you know and [2:00:30] I mean, this is one of the things that I said after the Mencia stuff. I said, even though I think it was the right thing to do, I wouldn't do it again. [2:00:37] because it's just too much yeah it's just too much you just you create all you just feel the darkness of it all the negative it's all negative it's all negative [2:00:45] Even though it had to be done, because you've got this guy that would... It showed me how... [2:00:51] completely... [2:00:52] Thank you. [2:00:53] Absent of morals and ethics, the business is completely absent. Right. They knew what he was doing and they did not care. They didn't care because they were profiting from it. [2:01:04] This is the conversation that I had with my agent when they were dumping me. I told them, I go, you're making a mistake right now that's going to affect the rest of your life. You have to understand the choice that you're making. You're choosing. [2:01:15] to align with someone who in any other industry, that person would be in jail.

[2:01:20] And also, if this was in literature or if this was in music, they would be sued into high heaven. There's songs that don't even seem like they're that close to each other. And people had to give songwriting credits to it. Yeah. [2:01:37] Oh, yeah. Like songs, like people get inspired by certain songs and then they write – [2:01:43] A song that sounds awesome. [2:01:46] close enough that there's a rhythm to it that people get upset well there's only so many notes and so many chords and there's only so many beats and so much timing and it's often the same thing with comedy like there's some crossovers in a writer's room which i've been in so many of so many people writing on the same subject will have the same joke uh it's only when it's like [2:02:16] He was a buccaneer. That was a totally different thing. But there's songs like – okay, so I was listening to this video the other day – or watching this video the other day rather – that was comparing – [2:02:28] Radio heads creep out. [2:02:30] to an older song [2:02:32] And they had to give Creep – Radiohead, rather, had to give this older song writing credits for this, which sounds so different. And then Radiohead accused Lana Del Rey or someone from their organization accused Lana Del Rey of having a song that ripped off Creep. [2:02:50] Or it sounded too much like creep.

[2:02:53] And it did sound a little like Creep, but it was very different. Like, it should be. Obviously, this is, like, inspired by it, right? If that's the – like – [2:03:00] Elvis Presley's entire career was inspired by black musicians, like the way he danced and moved and the way he sang. So it's like, what are we doing? [2:03:11] Like there's stealing and then there's inspired by. Inspired by is what we are all doing. It's like we were talking about that computer earlier, that chip manufacturing thing. That thing was built on the back of all the fucking super wizard geniuses that have been working on all the different technology that led to that being. You can't just invent that in a vacuum. You have to invent that on all these other inventions that have taken place for decades before you. Right. [2:03:36] This is – with music, it's interesting how litigious they are. [2:03:42] Maybe it's because they're run by a certain group of people. Tell me. But they're so good at like suing people. Like Bittersweet Symphony. [2:03:51] You remember that song? Yeah, totally. They had to give all their money to the Stones. Yep. [2:03:56] Because it was, what song? [2:03:59] Ah, it's, um... Let's ask perplexity. While Tony is... Or while Jamie, rather, is... [2:04:07] Oh, I can't do that. That's right. No, you can't. Oh, we have to do it. They'll get us. Do it. I know. It's a 1965 song called The Last Time. If, if, I mean, we learned this the hard way because I have an actual band that can play anything and everything. And years ago, they could play anything and everything. Our old episodes hold...

[2:04:26] Because, you know, I'd literally be to a, you know, a shy person. I'd be like, what do you ever do karaoke? They're like, yes, I'd go, what song do you sing? And then they go, da, da, da, da. And I literally, they would go right into it. And now you can't hum. [2:04:40] a song. [2:04:41] for a few seconds. So Bittersweet Symphony was a sample from the Verve developed Bittersweet Symphony from a sample from a 1965 version of Rolling Stone's song, The Last Time. [2:04:53] adding vocals, strings, guitar, and percussion. After a lawsuit by the Rolling Stones' former manager, Alan Klein, the Verve relinquished all royalties to the Rolling Stones' members, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, who... [2:05:06] were also added to the songwriting credits. Wow. 2019, 10 years after Klein's death, Jagger, Richards, and Klein's sons ceded the rights to the Verve songwriter. [2:05:16] Richard Ashcroft, because he was probably broke. There's similar things that have happened recently with, I think, Olivia Rodrigo and Paramore, and then like Puff Daddy. Yeah. Can you please look up the other one that I set up, though, which was Radiohead, Creep. [2:05:32] Lana Del Rey and Radiohead Creep had to give songwriting credits to another band. The Hollies. The Hollies, that's right. What was the original song? [2:05:43] the air that i breathe [2:05:46] It's interesting. Let's listen to them. See if you can find that there's a comparison video that I watched recently. [2:05:52] on YouTube. See if you can find that. [2:05:56] Because it's interesting how they say the first one, and you're like, geez, I don't see it. We'll have to edit this out, ladies and gentlemen, but you can find it yourself. Radiohead's Creep versus Lana Del Rey's Get Free versus The Hollies, The Air That I Breathe. Yeah, that was a live version of it, but if you hear the recorded version of it, it's even more.

[2:06:16] You can see. [2:06:17] But people get inspired by things. [2:06:21] I get it, though. [2:06:22] I get it in those cases, especially at the beginning of the Holly song and then the beginning of Radiohead. Like, I'm sort of dead on. [2:06:30] They're set in a mood, like a very specific mood. Have you ever seen how the guy from... Here's a crazy one. The guy from... [2:06:38] The Gorillaz, the song Clint Eastwood, I think it is, he had one of those little kids kind of keyboards, and he hit the demo button, because oftentimes it'll just have a regular song or whatever. Yeah. [2:06:53] And, um... [2:06:54] It's the entire backbone of their biggest hit. [2:06:59] you'd have to pull it up, I guess, to understand, but it's that... Yeah, there it is. So that's just on the thing. Wow. [2:07:13] And somehow they got away with it. [2:07:22] This summer, serve up the cookout classics, Oscar Mayer hot dogs and Heinz mustard. Grill up a dog, add classic yellow mustard. [2:07:29] or loaded Chicago style. [2:07:31] We all know it's not a cookout without Oscar Mayer and Hines. [2:07:36] I'm Gwen Washington from Snap Judgment, the storytelling podcast from KQED. Imagine an iconic piece of paradise overrun by one of the most horrific fires in recent memory. Everyone flees. Everyone except one person who decides to fight the flames alone.

[2:07:54] The moment when nature, institutions and technology fail at the exact same time. That's all systems down at new Snap Judgment miniseries from KQED. Tap to listen now. [2:08:06] Thank you. [2:08:06] Wow. And then all they do from there is just, yeah, that's the preset. It's the rock one preset. [2:08:17] That's so crazy. They use that. They use a preset from one of them little machines like a toy. [2:08:25] And much like the fucking crazy jokes that end up getting me in trouble, I bet they don't even think that's going to be the hit. You know what I mean? They're probably not like, this is the song that's going to fly off the shelves. Yeah, but other people see it, Tony. I was the one who told you you were going to get stabbed for the Puerto Rican joke. That was so many years later, it's crazy. I was doing that joke during the pandemic to the point to where it got extended to where you were part of it. [2:08:55] which probably would have protected me. It probably would have saved it going, ah, it's going to get me stabbed, whatever. You know what I mean? Well, then you would have to do the Amy Schubert joke. Well, yeah, there was a lot to it, yeah. People don't realize that that's a small bit of a much bigger chunk at the time. Well, that's why it should be in a set. Yeah. Of course. Comedy is such a weird art form. I mean, look, I love it to death, but real comedy should be seen in person. Oh, yeah. You know, Stanhope said this once.

[2:09:25] is just to try to get people to come see us in the clubs. Exactly. Like, that's really what it is. [2:09:29] It's like you just really want people to go there live because that's the real fun. Yeah. The real fun is all us, a bunch of human beings, fucking around and having a good time. Right. As soon as you start taking it seriously and making it something that it's not, like you're – I get why you're doing it because that has become a thing that people do today. [2:09:47] But I'm just saying, like, for your own mental health, it's not good for you to be engaging. Like I was saying about the Carlos thing, like just engaging in conflict. It's not good. It's not good for you. It's bad for you. It feels bad. It's not good. [2:10:01] It's not – there's negative energy and positive energy. You should spend as much of your time possible on things that make positive energy. I know that sounds hippie because I'm a little bit of hippie. I got a lot of hippie in me. But that's what I believe. I believe you should spend as much of your time having fun. [2:10:20] making people laugh, having a good time and less [2:10:23] about dwelling on shit. [2:10:25] Yeah. That's why I try to stay off Twitter, because when I get on, I just start freaking out at all the different news stories that are just abomination after abomination. We're just so angry. It's just impossible now. And, you know, it used to be Twitter was Twitter and this and that. But really, it's just the news. [2:10:44] X is the news. It is the news. So hard to absorb that. It was fun. And, you know, it's cool and all. And my algorithm still shows me stuff that I love. Police chases gone wrong and, and UFC highlights and all of this stuff. But,

[2:11:02] All the stuff around that is just crazy. I did a thing because I was staying at a hotel... [2:11:09] In D.C., right after the State of the Union or something, anyway, I'm like, okay, it's a hotel TV. I never get to watch regular TV. I'm going to be asleep in a few minutes anyway. So I threw on, I ended up going by CNN. I'm like, let's see what these wackos are saying over here. Let's see how fake the news can possibly be. [2:11:39] very positive and long and entertaining. Let's see what they say. Oh, racism, this, he caused the deaths of black people here. He's the reason why we, why America's failing. It's the reason why we're the laughingstock of the country. It made me so stressed out. And I'm like, okay, well, let's see what Fox news is saying. And it was crazy over there. And then you have, what do they say? Uh, [2:12:03] Well, they had their counterpoint person on, unlike CNN, where they're just all in agreeance. Yeah, yeah. And going by six people, literally going, yeah, he's the worst. And let's not forget that he doesn't think trans people deserve this and this. They're just going on and on about straight doom. And Fox News had a counterpoint person that was stressing me out. And I swear to God, I'm not kidding. This is not a joke. I was flipping through the different channels.

[2:12:34] I'm like, oh, my God, this is crazy. I put on Silence of the Lambs. To calm yourself down? I swear to God, I was asleep five minutes later. And I ended up just coincidentally was on the Buffalo Bill part where, like, he's got a girl in a well. Puts the lotion in the basket. Pure darkness. And I'm like, oh, finally some peace on the cable television. I never get to just watch normal TV. [2:13:03] State of the Union address. I did not watch it. I remember for some reason it was stressing me out, whatever was going on. [2:13:09] At least Fox has, they'll argue still, like the news used to be. They'll have both sides on and kind of talk it out. And CNN has that poor guy, that poor one guy that just takes all the bullets for everybody. He's just going, you're lying. That stat doesn't exist. Scott Jennings. Yes. Yeah. That poor guy, he probably has months to live. He takes so many bullets every day. He's a fucking war hero out there. [2:13:39] It's a... [2:13:40] It's a very turbulent world when it comes to discourse. Everybody's mad at everybody else. It's really weird to watch. It's really weird to watch these shows on CNN now that are basically like bad podcasts that get interrupted every five minutes for a commercial. It's really what it's like. I just don't – I don't remember it being that way where it's just so many panel opinion shows. [2:14:02] I remember it was – like CNN used to have Bourdain's show on. Yep. You know, where they would travel around the country and check out – or travel around the world and check out food. And it was interesting. Yep. And he would give you his perspective on the cultures and all the problems and the things that these people were facing, their food and what the community was like. Fucking great show. They did a bunch of different shows that were different.

[2:14:28] You know, and then [2:14:30] Somewhere along the line, man, they just went all outrage. [2:14:34] Yeah. And I don't think that's going to get any different now. I mean, now it looks like Barry Weiss is going to be running that as well. So she's running the CBS News and perhaps she's going to be running CNN or the same company is going to be running CNN. [2:14:48] It's like, okay. [2:14:49] Good luck. [2:14:50] Good luck because it's already – people already don't want to listen. They don't want to take it seriously. Yeah. You know, and that's why X has become the news. The reason why it's become the news is because they can't trust the news. Right. You know? [2:15:01] Totally. It's crazy. Tim Dillon had these two New York Times reporters on this podcast, and I listened to him talking about it. I hadn't listened to them on the podcast, but I listened to him talking about it. And he was saying that they said there's no evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was intelligence. I was like, what? [2:15:19] What? There's no – watch one Mike Benz episode of my podcast where he breaks it down. [2:15:26] It's almost impossible that he's not. Right. Like what the fuck are you – like no evidence? No, that's not true. There's just evidence that you're not considering. So it's like if the New York Times and the people that we're always supposed to trust to be the objective purveyors of all that's going on in the world, if they're compromised, so they're not allowed to say things or they have narratives that they're supposed to spin one way or another or they're very cautious about being honest about their opinion, very shielded about their actual opinions. [2:15:56] or if they actually believe that, that's not good either because that means you're not really paying attention objectively.

[2:16:03] Like watch a Mike Benz episode where he breaks down Epstein's connections. It's nuts. The whole thing's nuts. [2:16:11] It's crazy that anybody could say that he wasn't intelligence. [2:16:15] Yeah, there's no doubt about it. But they will do anything to push their own story. [2:16:21] Yeah, it's a propaganda network. And whatever that propaganda is, I mean, that propaganda will shift depending upon who's in control of the realm, of the reins rather. The realm really is a realm, a realm of nonsense. [2:16:51] this Fauci stuff. [2:16:52] They're not showing any of that. The Tulsi Gabbard speech, we talked about that where she gave this speech explaining how he lied to Congress and Fauci pressured these other scientists to change their perspective on whether or not it was gain-of-function research. [2:17:08] The shit that we had a pretty big feeling about back in 2020. Yeah. You don't hear any of these people. They're not covering it. Yeah. And they can't because they can't really tell you the whole news. They can only tell you the news they're approved to tell you. That's not good. And that's how X comes about. Yeah. That's how X becomes the place where everybody trusts. But then you go to X and it's just filled with horseshit. There's so much lies. There's always... [2:17:31] video of something happening and they're saying this is going on right now and you're like and then someone says no this is a video from 2022 right this is in you know this part of the world is AI this is China this is not Israel this is you know it's like there's so much horseshit and there's so many bots.

[2:17:48] Yeah. It's like you just dip your toe into the water and you just feel poisoned. You're like, I've got to get out of here. Yeah. Yeah. [2:17:55] But then you feel irresponsible for not paying attention. Exactly. And I feel like so many people feel like they're doing the right thing, watching the news and being informed. And they hear that the news is fake, and they think that's just like a Trump talking point. I've always said that Trump calling it fake news was like one of the worst things that could happen because then it sounds like a Trump thing. And the Trump enemies go, oh, fake news. Sure, it's fake. If he's saying it, then it can't be fake because we have to disagree with him. [2:18:25] Meanwhile, it's a fucking, it's a goddamn production. I mean, it is. It is fake. They're right. It's fake. Yeah. It's fake. A lot of the news is fake. It's not true. All that, I mean, the fact that no one got in trouble for all that Russiagate stuff. Crazy. [2:18:42] absolutely crazy and that they're still the same people that were pushing that russia gate shit or they're still giving opinions on tv right it's nuts yeah there's no repercussions to be found they get to say whatever they want [2:18:54] It's crazy. [2:18:56] Thank you. [2:18:57] Well, the repercussion is no one takes them seriously. And that's real. They've suffered that. [2:19:03] I mean, we've seen that in real time. [2:19:05] And I think the pandemic was the big... [2:19:08] That was the big wake-up call for a lot of people, especially people that were forced to take the vaccine because they had jobs or they had a fly or they had family members.

[2:19:19] And then they got... [2:19:20] Some horrible side effect. [2:19:22] And those people got... [2:19:24] what they call red-pilled. I know a lot of people that got red-pilled from that. [2:19:28] They just can't take it anymore. [2:19:30] It's crazy. [2:19:32] And it's bubblish, you know what I mean? There's certain areas geographically... [2:19:38] In which... [2:19:39] that's the mentality and they stick to it. I mean... [2:19:42] Here... [2:19:43] In Austin, I'm known as, you know... [2:19:47] uh, [2:19:48] a skinny little faggot. I went to LA and it turns out I'm a racist Nazi. Like, I'm like, [2:19:54] They were doing jokes on me at that roast in which it's like, oh, what are you guys talking about? There's parts where I'm literally like, what the fuck? I've never even heard this about myself. I'm on a comedy show every week where people take shots at me. And I've none of this is a thing. Well, it's made up. And it's all they also made up a bunch of stuff about like you going to Saudi Arabia. [2:20:16] Yeah, which is crazy. Right. [2:20:19] They just made it up. Yeah. Not only made it up, turned it down. [2:20:23] Like didn't go when offered vast sums of money that the bus boy bag boy Tony would never imagine turning down. And people don't even know that you turned it down because you haven't been public about it. [2:20:35] I mentioned it. I meant glazed over it on one for one moment on Kill Tony once. But yes, the people that turned down that money are you and Shane Gillis. Yeah. And meanwhile, Netflix clipped that. [2:20:47] and pinned it on their Instagram, that joke, and with the caption, long sip, because I'm sipping my water because the joke isn't on me, so the camera shouldn't be on me. Meanwhile, they're getting my reaction shot to, oh, you guys took that Saudi Arabian money, and it makes it look like I'm offended or something, or guilty of taking Saudi Arabian money. But just a joke when you just lie about a fact that,

[2:21:12] And to make a joke. [2:21:13] is crazy because you're just lying. Like there's a difference between that and making a joke about something. Like you had to make something true and then criticize them for something. So you had to lie about something and then criticize them about that lie that you just invented. [2:21:29] Yeah. Which takes three seconds to find out it wasn't true. Exactly. It takes a really quick search. Like, oh, he didn't go. Right. Okay. Okay. [2:21:38] On the contrary, the guys that... [2:21:40] Chelsea was complimenting during that set, basically. Kevin Hart and Pete Davidson did take the money and went to Saudi Arabia. Also, you don't think Chelsea Handler would have taken that money if they offered her to go to Saudi Arabia? She went to dinner at Epstein's house. Exactly. What the fuck are we talking about? But it's all right because Woody Allen was there. Yeah. And apparently she gave him the what have you. She told him. That's what they said. She told him. She was very upset with him. [2:22:07] Yeah. [2:22:10] Slash sexual predator's house. Yeah. Guys who are arrested. [2:22:15] for statutory rape. [2:22:16] That's fine though [2:22:18] crazy just yeah don't be a white guy it's not it's just the whole thing is so stupid like if you want to make fun of someone for anything for you know you looking gay or you like you're down with that but there you when you invent a fact that's not true you say it's not true and then you criticize someone for that like that's stupid that's a stupid way to do comedy yeah you know and the way that it's covered and everything it's like what what are you guys doing well if

[2:22:48] People didn't know, obviously, because they laughed. They thought maybe you did go or maybe Shane did go. They didn't know that you were the two people that did say no. [2:22:57] You know, Jessica Kurson went and she got criticized so much she gave her money away. [2:23:03] she gave the money away I think she gave what did she do with the money find out what she did but I was like oh man listen those people that went to see Jessica curse on first of all heard she murdered over there she's very funny she's a fucking dynamo she's a killer on stage very very entertaining lovely lady I love her to dust you have fun to talk to she fucking murdered over there I heard so a lesbian woman from New York [2:23:30] went to Saudi Arabia. [2:23:32] Okay. Okay. [2:23:33] Donates Riyadh Comedy Festival fee to human rights campaign. Well, all that money is going to someone's payroll. Yeah. It's going to a daycare center in Minneapolis. Yeah, you feel better. But meanwhile, it's paying for someone's salary that's probably not fixing homelessness or whatever the fuck it is. [2:23:50] And that's what they do. Tom Segura went and put a photo of a Ferrari and said, thanks, Saudi Arabia. Yeah. But everybody was very upset. But my my perspective is the people that are in that audience. If you're upset at the people that are paying and organizing. OK. The people that are in that audience, though, that they're performing to, they don't get a chance to see American stand up comedy and they're getting a chance to see it live.

[2:24:20] literature [2:24:21] changes people's minds it changes all art where you see someone a different person than you with a totally different perspective that lives on another side of the world that says something that you think is hilarious and you love it changes you know [2:24:35] It changes people's perspectives. You win hearts and minds. I mean, that's real. Like you can change the world a little bit by getting people to say, hey, we kind of are. We all have a lot of shared interests. We just want to have fun. We just want to be with our friends, be with our family and do what we want to do. Like everybody wants that, including those people in the audience, like those people in the audience in Saudi Arabia. We're just Saudi Arabian citizens. [2:24:59] There's just a bunch of people that live there that came out to see comedy. Performing in front of them... [2:25:04] I mean – [2:25:06] What is wrong with that? [2:25:09] It's wrong. You're supposed to boycott it because the people that run it – [2:25:14] probably were involved with the killing of Jamal Khashoggi in some way, or the people that finance it. [2:25:20] Okay. [2:25:21] Maybe. [2:25:23] I see how you didn't want to do it, and I see how Shane didn't want to do it, and I probably wouldn't want to do it either, but I don't have any problem with people doing it. [2:25:30] Because I think at the end of the day, you're – just like I don't have any problem with Saudi Arabia putting on these boxing matches that I talked about. I love that they put on these boxing matches. And oddly enough, that's not really criticized that much, even by like heavy-duty left-wing MMA media, which is a real thing. There's a lot of like – [2:25:48] shit [2:25:48] shit libs that are MMA media just because they're journalists and they just happen to be fans, but they have that like hardcore left wing perspective. They don't seem to have that much of a problem with it. Not like people had the problem with the comics over there where guys like Louie and Bill Burr, they just get destroyed for that. Yeah.

[2:26:07] Yeah, it's nuts. But I think Segura had the right... [2:26:10] Move. Don't even pay attention. Fuck off. I'm going to perform wherever I want to perform. [2:26:16] you know yeah [2:26:18] No, it makes sense. Totally. I just can't go straight from a... [2:26:22] Trump rally to Saudi Arabia, like a little bit of a hop, a skip and a jump. I know it's also, it's like, you know, [2:26:31] Is that what you want to do? I don't want to go there. It's too long. Right. So I want to be on a plane for 16 hours to go anywhere. Yeah, exactly. Why? Why? [2:26:37] I hate it. [2:26:38] I hate flying. Yeah, fuck off. It's terrible. [2:26:41] Come to Texas. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just we live in a very polarized society. And I think a large part of that is what we were talking about earlier with social media and mentally ill people just just screaming into the fucking void every day. [2:26:57] I just would like to suggest to people just try not – [2:27:01] to engage like that for a month and see how much better you feel. Yeah. Just try it. Talk and make friends. And hopefully that's not how you've set up your life where you have to do that for a living. Hopefully you're not one of those people because there are people that are paid posters and they make a pretty good living just posting and getting engagement. Well... [2:27:18] you know [2:27:20] I don't know what to tell you. You're trapped. Right. Right. [2:27:23] If your whole thing is shitting on people all day long, you're kind of trapped. [2:27:27] But... [2:27:28] It can't feel good. [2:27:29] There's no way. No. [2:27:31] There's no way. It's like the amount of cortisol that must be pumping through your body all day where you're going over. And I see people that do that. I see how they get destroyed in the replies. And I'm like, and I know they're reading that. Like, good Lord. Yeah.

[2:27:47] I don't know how Gavin Newsom is still alive. Every time he posts something, the way he gets destroyed in those comments is fucking insane. Well, no one is happy. It's just the funniest thing because he reminds me of one of the last actual politicians. He's a different just lying idiot. [2:28:11] ignoring of facts type of human being because we're witnessing it maybe it's easy for someone in uh i don't know new hampshire to go ah that gavin newson's the future but [2:28:25] We lived in California, and I've been to San Francisco recently, and we've seen it. Like when you travel, you know, comedians aren't the end-all, be-all, and these wise whatever sages, perhaps, but we do travel a lot. And you spend a weekend in a city, and you're not just doing your shows. You're having lunch somewhere. You're having coffee somewhere. You're dealing with the people at the hotel lot, whatever it may be. There's different communications and vibes and energies. [2:28:55] especially California, [2:28:57] San Diego is like a last stand. Huntington Beach is an area around there. There's like these little pockets in which there's still some common sense and happiness. Newport. Enjoy Newport. These little pockets. But those major cities are fucked, man. Even the drive. And, you know, I go to L.A. basically maybe once a year now for a quick break.

[2:29:21] Always fun visit, always doing some arena and a couple nights at the store, which is different, unfortunately. But the drive from LAX to that area of LAX, [2:29:33] West Hollywood slash Beverly Hills is gruesome. Everything is for lease. Everything is empty. [2:29:42] There's nothing new except for the crazy-looking, weird-ass Obama Museum Library, which is the craziest, weirdest eyesore library. [2:29:52] Humanly imaginable. Where is that? It's like on the way up there. I can't remember if it's like off of La Cienega or Fairfax. That's not the new one because the new one is in Chicago, isn't it? Yeah. [2:30:03] Oh, it is? Yeah. [2:30:04] What's the fucking... They built something that looks just like that monstrosity. No, the one in Chicago, people don't like it. I think it looks dope. [2:30:11] It looks like... [2:30:13] It looks like something from... [2:30:15] Blade Runner. Yeah. I like it. [2:30:17] A lot of people don't like it, but it costs a lot of money. [2:30:20] It costs like $850 million. See if you can find out what that building looks like. [2:30:24] Thank you. [2:30:25] Show me a photo of the Trump building. There's something that looks just like that building. They have a sports complex on the... [2:30:30] In Los Angeles they made. [2:30:32] Who did the Obamas? Yeah. Oh, okay. That's it. [2:30:35] What is the one in Chicago? [2:30:38] A lot of people were criticizing it, and I saw it, and I go, that thing looks dope. [2:30:41] I love it. [2:30:42] Like that thing? Where is it? Yeah, the one there where your cursor is. Click on that. [2:30:47] Oh, that's a rendering? I don't think it's done yet. [2:30:49] I was not done? Maybe. I don't know. I thought people were in it.

[2:30:53] I don't think so. What's it down there in the lower? I think they just showed this online and everyone was going crazy. I thought people were already going to it. I don't know that. [2:31:01] Um... [2:31:03] Yep. [2:31:04] I think that's it. That looks like a rendering to me. That looks fake as fuck. But that one down there, that one down there with the darkness... [2:31:11] In the corner? [2:31:13] Yeah, right there. Is that real? [2:31:16] for [2:31:18] Encyclopedia Britannica? I think that's a real photo. [2:31:22] I think it's done. [2:31:23] I might be wrong. [2:31:28] Oh, you have Los Angeles, Chicago. Mm-hmm. [2:31:32] Yeah, it's real. [2:31:34] So it's up. [2:31:35] But I think it looks cool. [2:31:38] It's different. [2:31:42] People are saying it's ugly. It looks like – see if we can find photos of it. Go to images. [2:31:49] Yeah, there we go, right there. [2:31:52] Dude, I think that looks dope. [2:31:56] Really? Yeah. That windowless. Look at how it all is writing on the top. What does it say? [2:32:02] Go all the way up, please. I'm trying. [2:32:05] Oh. [2:32:06] Thank you. [2:32:06] Unconstrained... [2:32:10] convention by what is... It's written on two sides, so... Oh, right. [2:32:16] Oh, it goes all the way around it. Oh, that's fucking cool. I think that looks cool. [2:32:21] I mean, maybe I have no taste. [2:32:23] I mean, we can't even find an angle of what they're trying to say there. Right. I don't know what it's saying, but I think it's cool that they did that, that they had words that go across like that.

[2:32:34] I just think it looks sick. [2:32:36] But I like that kind of brutalist architecture. I think that's what they call it. Yeah. I like that kind of cool cement with big glass. There's a lot of houses like that, especially in the Hollywood Hills that I love. Mm-hmm. [2:32:48] I looked at one of them. [2:32:50] Back when I was starting to make that cheddar. And I was like, maybe I should live in Hollywood. And then I could just do the store right there. But I was like... [2:33:00] Probably not that safe. I looked at the house above the store that Mitzi was selling. What was on Colfax? Was that what it was? [2:33:10] Was that the street? It was the comic store, the comic house where, like, Kinnison stayed there and Pauly lived there for a while. But I had dogs, and I was like, this is not enough backyard. It's too small. And also, it's like, it's too close to the machine. Yeah. It's, like, right next to the Beast. Like, I don't know if I want to be, like, right next to the Beast. I think I'd rather be outside the Beast and go visit. Yeah. Like, for me, for my head. But I looked at a couple of houses up there, and one of them was this house that was, like, really out of my budget, really. [2:33:40] I shouldn't have been looking at it. It was like $10 million. And it had crazy like... [2:33:46] like concrete with massive windows, but it was... [2:33:51] right there on the street. Like you walk in the street, there's a sidewalk, you could renover and touch the front door of the house. I was like, Yeah, this is kind of crazy to buy this house. And the guy was like, Don't worry, we have state of the art security system. So I go, Yeah, you know what that is? I go your cameras are going to catch a guy with a ski mask robbing you. Yeah.

[2:34:10] And two weeks after I said that, the guy who owned the house got shot in it. [2:34:14] Whoa. Two weeks. Got shot in the neck. Fuck. Fuck. [2:34:18] Yeah. [2:34:20] to him. [2:34:20] Yeah. Yeah. So. Hey. That's these places, man. But that kind of architecture, I think it's dope. I like that crazy modern cement stuff. But for a house... [2:34:33] Like what you're going to live in, the reality is you'd probably be like, I'm sleeping in a museum. This is too weird. Yeah. I'd rather just have a regular house. Yeah. Yeah. [2:34:42] Windows are a necessity. Yeah. I just want to see stuff. I just want to be able to have a cup of coffee and see some trees. Let me just sit down and fucking collect my thoughts for the day. [2:34:54] You know? [2:34:55] I don't necessarily need to be in a fucking museum. Concrete ass, big... There's something weird about it. It's like you're too weird. If you live like that, you're weird, man. You're living with this giant... [2:35:08] Bye. [2:35:09] 20-foot-high glass wall in front of you that looks out at the Blade Runner scape that is Los Angeles from the hills. Have you seen that view at night? [2:35:19] Have you ever been up to a house? Oh, yeah. Have you seen this house? Oh, that's sick. I love that house. It's known as the Oakley founder's house. I don't know if he still owns it. Yeah, that's up there. That house I love. See, if I was single and a baller, that's where I would live. $210 million. $210 million. [2:35:35] a bargain fucking love that shit i see shit like that i'm like oh my god that's where i love it

[2:35:44] But I don't want to live there for real. [2:35:46] I think after a while you would be like, I'd rather have a log house. I was trying to find pictures of Kanye's concrete house, but this is not the one I was looking for specifically. That's fucking dope. Yeah. [2:35:55] I just love those kind of houses that look like that, especially that one, that circular one. The way you pull into that driveway and the entire back house faces the lights and you see the lights. It's hard to see from photos of how – look how sick that looks, man. That's sick. [2:36:14] I love that. But the lights from that, like if you're up in the hills, you want to be above looking down. And it's like a movie. It's like a sci-fi movie. It's one of the coolest fucking views I've ever seen. Pauly has the fucking, as crazy as it sounds, that motherfucker when he made it. [2:36:30] He bought a house that's on top, top, top, top, top of the Hollywood Hills with that MTV money. Yeah. Dude. Dude. [2:36:38] It's crazy. He remodeled it recently when I was there for the festival. He's like, dude, you got to come see the house. Come see the house. I'm like, Pauly, I'm so busy. That's very highly unlikely. Come see the house. Dude, you got to come to the house. Sure enough, I went there one afternoon for a fucking coffee. Bro, it is crazy. He was right. He's got the house. He did it. It's on top of everything. So there's if a robber does try to go up there, they're robbing someone else's house. [2:37:08] top of the fucking hill. That's a tough escape. That's the problem is the escape. You want to be close to the bottom. Right.

[2:37:17] Speaking of which, I've been watching, I went down a rabbit hole the other day on YouTube where street racers [2:37:24] And there's this one guy who is like a famous street racer because there's all these videos of him. He got his thing set up where he can shut the lights off. He's got this black Corvette. [2:37:37] I'm going to send this to you, Jamie. [2:37:39] I think I've seen those guys. [2:37:40] Yeah, his name is really slow. [2:37:43] Like R-Y-L-S-L-O. [2:37:47] And he's got videos... [2:37:50] of these cop encounters. So he like baits cops and then goes on these mad runs. [2:37:55] And you watch it and you go, holy shit, man. Oh, I love it. [2:37:59] Cars on the screen. Yes, this is the dude. [2:38:03] Yeah, so – This is about him, not just one. Yeah, this is – well, he's like a legend online because he does interviews only with a voice changer where he describes all the modifications that he did to his car. [2:38:18] But he puts a 3D camera. [2:38:21] On the back of his car. And he, you know, they have those things where you stick it on the back of your car. [2:38:26] And he gives you a 3D view of the automobile. And he has video of the cops, like, flashing their lights. [2:38:33] And his car has got a thousand plus horsepower. So these poor cops and they're like 300 horsepower fucking crown Victoria. They try to chase this guy. He just disappears. And then once he gets out of the line, like go back to that video where it was before. Watch this.

[2:38:49] I mean, it's edited. It's not his videos. It's just someone... I understand. But if you just... I know this video. But what he does is they start pulling him over... [2:38:59] And in the beginning when they pull him over, he hits the gas and then shuts his lights off. Did you pass that spot? Here it is. So this is it. So they hit the lights, and he's like, see ya. See ya. [2:39:11] Are they going to show it? Yes, this is not the – Okay, so it's not the compilation. [2:39:15] So when he does it, [2:39:17] and he hits the gas, he gets... [2:39:19] Here it is. He gets far enough away from them. They're not showing it. These motherfuckers, they have to edit their own shit. Leaving it alone is better. So he gets ahead of everybody and then just – he has a button where it kills his headlights. And he's using night vision. Oh, wow. Wow. [2:39:35] Yeah, it's nuts. So is this it? Yeah. It says he enters ghost mode here. Yes, this is it. So this is this guy. So his license plate says, we'll run. [2:39:44] Like it's a fake license plate. The cops get up behind him. They hit the lights and he goes, bye. And the cops realize there's no way to catch this guy. It's not. Look at that. Lights go out and he's gone. [2:39:59] And he's flashing lights on people to get them the fuck out of the way. And there's no way to catch him. And then he bangs U-turns. He knows where he's going. He plots it out. [2:40:07] And the thing is, he's filming this and uploading it. [2:40:10] Oh, yeah. So he's got to hide his identity through how many different channels? How does Instagram not know who he is? How is he posting? I guess he's using a VPN. He's probably using a proxy and he's probably going through some other country or something. If he's smart, if he's smart enough to avoid detection.

[2:40:28] But... [2:40:29] He just has these fucking crazy car builds. Like he's got a Calvo Viper that has like... [2:40:35] I mean, I don't know how many fucking... [2:40:38] horsepower that thing has. But they make some of these Colvo Vipers, it's a company here in Texas, they make Vipers that have 2,000 horsepower. [2:40:46] What? What the fuck are you talking about? Does anybody know where? Does he always do it in the same city? I think he's in the Dallas area. [2:40:55] Have fun. [2:40:56] Yeah, well, not good if he kills somebody. But it's... [2:41:00] Very spooky. American flag bear. Yeah. Yeah. [2:41:03] It's nuts, man, because this fucking dude really knows how to drive, too. And you see these poor cops, and one of them, the cops wipe out. They slam into another car. Oh, shit. They're trying to pass by these cones, and the road cuts off, and the cop hits the cones, then loses control of his car and slams into another car. So, like, people can fucking die. [2:41:23] Especially... [2:41:25] If he runs a red light, he runs a lot of them. And someone's being an idiot. Maybe someone's doing exactly what he's doing while he's running the red light. Dude, you have to see what Kanye is doing right now. It's a historical moment in all of art. It's unbelievable. Yeah, you said he's standing on the globe, right? Well, not only that. He, the entire everything is a super production. [2:41:46] And it's all him. Like you could tell he's made every decision and tweaked everything to the color of everything, to when it happens, to how it happens, that it's not too much. He's not overwhelming the senses with lasers and lights and all of this. It's all so strategic. But most importantly...

[2:42:06] It's first of all, it's the fucking greatest production I've ever seen of anything. And I come from Pink Floyd land where the live show has to be ahead of its time and state of the art and everything for my mind to be blown. And I was expecting this to be like every other rap concert that I've seen, which is going to be fun and good and maybe great. Of course, it'll be great. But this was like a thousand times my expectations because first of all, he's doing pop up shows at stadiums, which is crazy. [2:42:36] announces it a week or two in advance. And the stadium's like, [2:42:39] Okay, we're sitting empty that night. We love to sell beer and water and get a percentage of merch, right? How these venues work. They don't give a fuck. [2:42:47] He's not promoting it. Everyone else that's been to one or seen one is promoting it. And then the mayor of whatever city or whatever leftist, [2:42:57] person, whether it be the governor of that state or whatever, is like, this shouldn't be happening. So they're promoting it for him. And it's filled to the top of the fucking stadium, whereas even Pink Floyd or the Rolling Stones or whoever announces a tour all at once and goes, hey, buy tickets. I'm on tour. Pretty please come. [2:43:15] Right? He's just like, San Antonio, July 4th. [2:43:19] Boom. A week ago. [2:43:21] Literally. [2:43:22] And what's crazy is that my buddy... [2:43:25] Got me tickets to go see him in Tampa because all we knew is that he was going to Tampa. [2:43:31] And so there I was, and I'm looking, and it's filled to the top, and the floor is filled.

[2:43:38] And... [2:43:39] it's he doesn't stop he doesn't take a break there it is i saw that on instagram after his first one that he did i think it was in la and i'm like oh that's crazy i need to see this that is nuts that stage is nuts but these pictures and videos do not do any justice to what is happening sound wise energy wise just that stage alone is fucking insane [2:44:03] It's crazy. And he enters at the, he walks through the crowd because obviously it's in the round. He comes out and you hear a pop from one side because they can kind of see him. And then the globe turns on and, you know, he waits until it's dark. So he, [2:44:18] He enters at one point, and then inside is a... [2:44:24] a lift that only takes him. So like there's no one that can storm that stage or anything because it's inflatable on the outside. [2:44:33] So it's an impossible... [2:44:36] impossible to, you know, storm the stage or anything like that. And he's the only one that has access to the lift, obviously. And he has a tether, obviously. [2:44:45] that, [2:44:45] he's attached to so that he doesn't go off or anything so doesn't fall into the balloon exactly and it is the most diabolical show i've ever seen in my entire life ever and that includes all the fucking everything's and again i come from the school of pink floyd which is always 10 20 years ahead of its time production wise and this was fucking nuts because he does not stop he does not take a break he doesn't go thank you guys for coming out until the very end in which he goes

[2:45:15] love i love you guys thanks for sticking with me all these years when all these people said this and then by that point two and a half hours in when he's saying that you're just like you got to be fucking kidding me well we realized the bulk of his work how many bangers that guy has it's nuts bangers and i as an experiment took my one buddy who said that uh you know part of the group was my one friend who has always been like i don't know you fucking love kanye i mean [2:45:45] but he's just not really a rap fan is the reality. So I invited him on this trip and his mind was fucking... Now he's a diehard Kanye fan. Now he's going back and [2:45:56] you know. [2:45:57] realizing that [2:45:59] He's always been a Kanye fan. [2:46:01] It's such a crazy fucking thing because not only does he have hits on hits on hits, but he does not stop in between songs because some of his beats kind of correlate or this and that. He'll literally just keep going and going and going until his amazing on his new album. [2:46:21] keyboardist with one of those like crazy blow into tube instrument things. I don't know what it's called, but I, [2:46:28] he has a solo, a big one, on one of the songs, which is... [2:46:32] gives Kanye... [2:46:34] a minute and a half to catch his breath, an hour and a half into non-stop going. And also on top of all that, you know, a rap concert's a rap concert, but Kanye's the greatest producer of all time in that industry. So every noise that's happening, even if he's not,

[2:46:53] talking or singing or rapping into a microphone is all him and him only. You know what I mean? Like he might get an idea or an inspiration, as we've talked about, or he's a master of sampling old hit songs and having them be in the backbone of the thing and everything. But this is it's just a whole nother level. Damn. Absolute insanity. Like I thought I was going to go there and be like, yeah, and maybe, you know, move a little bit or sing along or whatever. [2:47:23] jaw was dropped the entire time. Is there anybody that ever bounced back from being canceled like him? And that's really the underlying thing. There's this feeling of loyalty that's there. [2:47:35] were right. [2:47:36] You know what I mean? There's a feeling that everybody there is like their... [2:47:41] correct. [2:47:42] Does that make sense? Yeah. I saw a breakdown of it because my algorithm's feeding me Kanye stuff nonstop since I went to it because somehow fucking Instagram knows and whatever. And I watched a breakdown of it talking about how like it's like this psychiatrist or energy specialist or something that's talking about how and why this is the craziest concert ever done before. And she breaks it down and goes, oh. [2:48:08] people that [2:48:09] like Kanye? [2:48:11] believe in themselves because they, [2:48:14] If Kanye saying I'm the greatest, I'm the man, I'm a God, all of these things makes you not like him and you insecure, you're insecure.

[2:48:26] Does that make sense? [2:48:27] Like, it's like he, if that turns you off to somebody, then you don't really like yourself that much. [2:48:33] Why do you think that? Well, again, this was someone else's psychological breakdown of it, and I'm probably not explaining it correct because I was stoned on a couch. I see what they were saying to try to defend him, but... [2:48:45] There's some people that just get turned off by that kind of braggadocious... [2:48:49] rap music. [2:48:51] I don't. Right. I love that shit. [2:48:53] Well, I love 90s hip hop talking about how great they are. [2:48:59] I love it. Yeah. I'm a giant fan of that shit. Yeah. You know, I think, like, some of my favorite rap lyrics, like, some of Nas's lyrics, just him talking about how he's the shit. Yeah. Totally. I don't mind it at all. But it's, like... [2:49:13] It's when you're singing along to that stuff and you're listening to that stuff like you're feeling what that guy's feeling when he's saying it. And if his raps are hit, if his rhymes are really hitting it. [2:49:24] Especially like Kanye or any of the greats, you know, Biggie, Tupac, Nas. Like when they're nailed, it's like, ooh, ooh, ooh, with good lyrics and good execution. It's a fucking amazing art form, even if USA really did create it. Yeah. [2:49:42] I don't want to believe that. [2:49:45] I think they probably promoted it. [2:49:48] What's really interesting is the lack of big rock and roll bands. I know Jamie's kind of defended this, but I think it's a fact. Oh, no, no doubt. There's less big rock and roll bands than when we were a kid. When we were a kid, rock and roll was everything. It was like rock and roll, and if you like rock and rap, you are a weirdo.

[2:50:06] You know? [2:50:07] Like I really became a rap fan. [2:50:10] Like almost like. [2:50:12] silently, like secretly. Because you got to be a rock fan. If you loved rock music and you went to rock concerts, like that's all you liked. But I was like, yeah, but this is good too. Oh yeah. You know, I'd like listen to Ghetto Boys. I'd be like, you got to listen to this. Come listen to this. Shit is awesome. Yeah. [2:50:28] Oh, my range is absolutely ridiculous. Or our green room. I just got Roy Orbison on vinyl. [2:50:35] Oh, yeah. Pretty woman. Oh, my God. Walking down. And again, that's one. We're going to be in trouble for that. [2:50:42] Probably. Fuck! Fuck. [2:50:46] And again, Pretty Woman, much like Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here, is like one of my... When you get into the radio stuff, it's kind of funny how some bands... [2:50:55] and musicians get like typecasted by their hit. Whereas like pretty woman's kind of repetitive and easy, even though it's a jam. [2:51:02] Right? [2:51:04] But his other songs that I hadn't even heard before, because I'm like, this guy seems like he has some fucking... [2:51:10] some hits and he does man. And, uh, [2:51:14] What I mean by the Pink Floyd thing is it always fascinated me that – [2:51:18] people go, oh yeah, I like Pink Floyd, wish you were here, another brick on the wall and it's like, [2:51:22] Damn it. [2:51:23] it's because those are their radio songs because they can't play an 11 minute long shine on you crazy diamond right all their real hits that they're real echoes which is like 17 minutes and goes slow and fast and and bluesy and then jazzy and this and that um yeah there were so many songs like that especially from like the 70s where they just took wild chances and had long

[2:51:53] of it is too slow. [2:51:55] And they're like, nope, this is the song. Exactly. This is what it is. [2:51:59] Bohemian Rhapsody. Yep. There's another one. Yeah. [2:52:03] A whole lot of love. Yeah. A whole lot of love has a minute and a half of fuck sounds. Mm-hmm. Ah, ah, ah, ah. And cymbals and shit. It's weird. I only recently got to see the Queen movie, whatever that is. [2:52:16] Is that Bohemian Rhapsody? [2:52:18] I believe so. Whatever they call it. I haven't seen it. Yeah. Well, I walked in on a part where they're at the record executive's office. [2:52:26] And he's going, this can't be the main single off of this thing. And Freddie Mercury's like, dude, it fucking has. And I'm obviously not quoting this. And the record exec's like, man, you're saying gibberish at points. It's slow with a piano. You're saying things that don't even make sense. And it's fucking eight minutes long. Like, what are you thinking? And they're arguing back and forth and back and forth. [2:52:56] the guys that's in the meeting with this record exec sitting behind a big fancy desk points at the wall and goes so you were the record exec that made this huh and he points at dark side of the moon and you see the record exec go oh [2:53:09] Fuck. Because what the fuck was that? It starts with a heartbeat, has no words for the first however long. Also, what is the deal with it aligning with The Wizard of Oz? Crazy. Roger says it's just coincidental.

[2:53:25] I know. But it seems like the universe organized it. Yeah. It almost seems like evidence of the simulation. Yep. [2:53:32] Because it's so good. The way it lines up, it's too good. I've always said it's the craziest coincidence of all times. [2:53:39] I feel like it's evidence of the simulation. [2:53:42] There's something about it. There's evidence of like some weird, bizarre synchronicity between those two pieces of art. [2:53:48] Yeah, producing that would have been near impossible. Impossible. Not like you couldn't, but just the amount of planning and figuring things out. Yeah. Technology then would have been so hard to do. Yeah, so hard. [2:53:59] Pink Floyd would have had to – they would literally have to watch it and then go over each beat and decide. How high was the person that figured it out, too? Right. Right. It got discussed, but, like, how do you notice that? Hold on. It's still going. Right. It's 45 minutes. Right. But meanwhile, it was perfect. [2:54:18] Like, we've watched it before. It's perfect. The lyrics are the scariest part. God. Which one is which? Yeah. At one point, the only moment when both the good witch and the bad witch are there. Yeah, it's nuts. [2:54:32] and [2:54:33] The wildest one to me is always when she's balancing on the thing in black and white with the other farmers around. And on the run, that crazy blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, starts. And she falls off at that exact moment. And chaos is happening. It's crazy. Is there a why in that conspiracy? Why would they have done that just to do it? Just for funsies. Because they were Pink Floyd. There's a lot of them as you could have picked. Well, I mean, Roger Waters says it was an accident.

[2:55:03] I know, I know. But the conspiracy theorists, I don't know. I mean, I would imagine they think that... [2:55:08] The people that believed that it was some sort of a coordinated conspiracy – [2:55:14] It's like, why wouldn't they say that? Why wouldn't they just say, we lined it up with The Wizard of Oz? Yeah, if they said that, it would make more people watch it and more people listen. Well, they did pretty good off of it. Yeah, they did pretty good. Who were we to give them advice? Yeah. Speaking of doing pretty good, you're fucking killing it, dude. Congratulations. Thank you, buddy. It's awesome watching it all. Thank you, man. You're taking all the hits. Yeah. Keep on moving. Keep on trucking. Just makes it stronger. On to the next one. Makes the jokes better. New jokes are killing it. Yeah. Yeah, it's fun. [2:55:43] We're having a good time. Yeah. Tuesdays and Wednesdays are the best, working them out at the mothership. Yes, sir. All right. I appreciate you, brother. Thank you, man. Hell yeah. Bye, everybody.