Blanche Taylor Moore, The Oldest Woman on Death Row (Part 1)

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[04:53] She said... [04:54] It wants you to slow down. And I said, I'm going to take that to heart, babe, because... [04:58] I'm like a missile right now, and I need to slow down. Frankly, I'd like to slow down. Truly. Mama's tired. Truly. Mama is tired. I'm exhausted. And my asthma's flaring up again. My asthma. My asthma and the humidity. It said flare up. Flare up. Give that bitch some mucus in her throat and a... [05:17] Because. That's what it said. I don't know. You sounded like Donald Trump. [05:22] Oh. I've never been more insulted in my life. Wow. It sounded like it. Yucky. It did. Well, how do we move away from that? Any way. Anything else? Do you want me to, should we just get right into the story? I actually, we probably should because I do have a long one today. Yeah, let's go. And I know like Jeffrey has his timer out. So here we go, Jeff. We're starting. Here we go. All right. So I have a two-parter. This is obviously part one. Welcome. [05:52] And Blanche Taylor Moore is... [05:55] Spoiler alert, just to really start you off to know what you're getting into. The oldest woman on death row in the United States. Oh, that's what we're getting into. Okay. Yeah. All right. That's where we're headed. Let's go. Before she headed to death row, she was born on February 17th, 1933, in Concord, North Carolina. She was the fifth of seven children born to Parker P.D. Kaiser and his wife, Flonnie. [06:20] Okay. I'm obsessed with that name. Okay, Flonny. Okay, Flonny Flaunton. All right. Now, technically, P.D., the dad, was a mill worker, but his real passion was preaching the gospel. Okay. Preaching the gospel. P.D. proudly fell into the category of primitive preachers, which was kind of a group of untrained, definitely unpaid Baptist preachers who traveled around to rural locations like

[06:47] Only makes me think of True Detective season one. Yes, absolutely. Like what? Like tent revivals. What an iconic season of television. True Detective is so good. I love season one. Truly. Now, according to author Jim Schutz, who we will link in the show notes and who we have used before, great author, PD preached an intense, monotonous sing-song literal interpretation of the Bible. [07:07] Oh, okay. I don't really know exactly what that means. Okay. [07:12] It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. But, you know, it felt like a lot. Yeah. He always seemed to find a way to make money, which was a good thing. Yeah. All right. He was working or he got donations. Always be closing. But he rarely used that money on his own family. The work of raising children and paying the bills basically just fell completely on Flamie, who worked full time to just make do, basically. Yeah. Basically, just to keep a head up. I almost just said a head over their roofs, a roof over their heads. [07:42] Now, of the 40 or so dollars a week that she made, she always gave half of that to her husband, who, according to Schutz, never made any secret of the fact that he was spending it all on young girls. Oh. Yeah. So that wasn't awesome. That was terrible. Now, in 1942, when Blanche was only nine years old, the family moved to Burlington. Burlington did offer better job prospects, but the real reason for the move was probably because Petey couldn't manage to stay employed for very [08:12] ran out of options for employment and conquered now despite his own proclivity for sex workers and gambling and drinking and generally not spending time with his own young family he was very very strict on his own children when he was around and he had i don't even want to call them high standards because it's like impossible standards the family didn't have much flowing in so the girls were usually dressed in

[08:37] tattered rags and hand-me-downs essentially but he would routinely inspect their outfits to make sure that they were quote-unquote sufficiently modest and [08:47] Come on. Which is also like, you're the biggest hypocrite ever. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta make sure. [08:53] You just have to be sure that everybody's modest, even though you're clearly not. Modesty is the most important thing. So important. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck off. Now, the high standards didn't just end with what the kids looked like, what they were wearing, their appearances. They also were completely forbidden from participating in any after school activities. That's so fucked up. That actually pisses me off. Truly. Truly. Like, a lot. Like, what good does that do? They couldn't socialize with their friends. They couldn't join a club. Nothing like that. [09:23] They had to come right home from school and. [09:26] probably pray that that's fucked up now when blanche reached her early teens she was finally given enough freedom to get a job in one of the local shops downtown probably because they needed more money yeah less about like her happiness exactly but more time outside of the house also meant that she was able to socialize a little bit and when she was about 15 or 16 she started dating a boy named james taylor no it's not that one thank you i said of tanglewood not not of tanglewood [09:56] That's sweet baby James. I fuck so heavy with that James Taylor, though. James Taylor? Like, our James Taylor, like, collectively all of our James Taylor. Yeah. [10:04] He has the most soothing voice.

[10:07] He's the voice of a generation. He is. Actually, I feel he's the voice of many generations. I think he is, too. You hear a James Taylor song, like a specific one that you just... You just hear that beginning guitar. And it feels... [10:20] Right. It does. Like that'll... [10:22] To be honest, my nervous system has been a little alight lately. [10:26] I'm going to listen to a James Taylor song, and I bet I'm going to feel... [10:30] Right as rain. You probably should, and I think you will. I will. I will. [10:33] Period. Thank you for that. You bet. So she met James Taylor, not V, but A. A James Taylor. In a lot of ways, James and Blanche did seem like a really good fit for each other. In public, he was a good Christian boy. He doted on his mama. He did well in school. But in private, he loved a crass joke and a cold beer. So he had two sides to him. Yeah. Within a few weeks of starting their relationship, James introduced Blanche to his family, which was kind of a [11:03] stable and happy homes, but she had never seen one up close or experienced one. That's so sad. It is really sad. But the cool thing was that in the beginning of their relationship, she kind of like enmeshed in this family and they loved her. I love that. And they supported her and she like got her cup filled that way. Nice. Now, by that time, she had actually quit school and was just always looking for a good reason not to be home at her house. So she spent a lot of time at the

[11:33] Ila, we're very close. [11:35] When it came to James's relationship with Blanche, I told you the good things about him. But it was also hard not to see the similarities between her boyfriend James and her father. James wasn't dismissive. He wasn't controlling, not in the way that her dad was. But he was a drinker and he did love to gamble. [11:54] And he was also at times, according to Schutz, sentimental, childish and given to eruptions of a violent temper. [12:03] That's not great. He had very good facets of his personality. But he had flaws. And a lot of flaws. Some real flaws. As we all do, but he really needed to figure out how to rein those down. Yeah, when your flaws start, you know, becoming violent. And when they start, like, messing with someone else, like, affecting someone else. Yeah. [12:22] Those are flaws you got to take care of. That's the thing, you know. So not long after the outbreak of the Korean War in 1950, James was drafted and he was sent to the Pacific to serve in the army. He returned a year later to Burlington. He proposed to Blanche and they got married on May 29th, 1952. At the same time, he found work restoring and refinishing fine furniture, which I feel like would be horrible. [12:44] such a fun job. Yeah. I love furniture videos on TikTok. Yeah, I feel like that would be very, like, fulfilling. Yeah, and, like, a sartic at the same time, too. Yeah. He was really, really good at the job, but the income was modest. It really was barely enough to cover the bills of two people. So when Blanche gave birth to their daughter in 1953, the family really started to struggle financially. But never one to shy away from hard work, soon after her daughter was born,

[13:14] local Kroger grocery store. And she was an immediate hit with all of the customers. Dang. Former co-worker Brenda Green told a reporter in 1989, she was always pleasant, always outgoing to the customers. And she wasn't just a hit with the customers. She was really popular with the men who came into the store. She had a way about her. [13:35] Her name's Blanche. I know. It just comes with the territory. It does. Author Schuetz said men lined up behind her register just so they could look at her. Wow. She sang to each one in her busy little chittering bird voice, always with some expression of concern for their personal affairs. Wow. So she was a little bit of a flirt. I was going to say, she was kind of, she was digging it. Yeah, she was doing her thing. I know nothing about this case, by the way. Well, she's the oldest woman on death row. So there's that. You can go with that. Keep that with you. [14:05] Yeah. [14:06] So at that time, the roles for Kroger employees were strictly segregated. Women filled the customer service jobs in the front of the store. Men worked the management, the stockroom, butcher roles in the back. Okay. Now, given the hierarchy, the highest that a female employee at Kroger could generally expect to make, like the highest position, was head cashier. It was kind of like a front-end manager position. [14:36] Heck, we've seen him. Yeah. Now that was the job. We love him. We've seen him. We love him. Yeah. [14:40] That was the job that Blanche was really determined to get. And when she set her mind to something, she did usually achieve it. Now, I said that...

[14:48] The customers loved her. [14:50] Co-workers? Not so much. E. Outwardly, she seemed to get along with people pretty fine, you know. Yeah. But a lot of her co-workers didn't like the way that she played obvious office politics. Oh. And they saw that she was very clearly intent on climbing the ladder to get that head cashier position. Which, like, that's bound to happen. It is bound to happen. In any kind of, like... [15:11] corporate or, you know, any retail environment. Well, and people are all vying for the same job so that it kind of creates like a... It's competitive. Not a great environment. Yeah. But that wasn't just it. Some of the cashiers suspected that Blanche was stealing from the company. Oh, that's not good. According to Schutz, Blanche had a penchant for using loaner registers and for moving around using other checkers drawers rather than following the safe and sure procedures designed so that each cashier would check out on a register that was entirely [15:41] shift. Eek. She just kind of floated amongst them. Yeah. Now, despite the rumors of her embezzling small sums of money, by 1959, Blanche did work her way up at Kroger and she got that head cashier position. Oh, yeah, she got it. And the promotion couldn't have come at a better time because just a few months after she moved up, she gave birth to the couple's second daughter. So the extra income was an asset. Oh, hey. You know, it seemed things were going pretty good for Blanche in 1959. Seems [16:11] But her personal life was starting to unravel a bit. That same year, her mother, Flani, filed for divorce from PD, citing her husband's abandonment as the reason.

[16:21] P.D. Kaiser had basically left his wife and children a few years earlier to, quote, find himself a younger woman. Oh, excuse you. And he also didn't contribute a dime to the support of their children since he left them. And now, even though all of that is true, that he was just a prick at the time, going through a divorce would have been a pretty shameful experience, which is silly, but it just was. [16:51] humiliating, not just for Flani, but also for the children like Blanche, even like the adult children. Now, luckily, the judge was sympathetic and ordered PD to pay $25 a week in child support, which was dropped then to $10 a week the following year. And to everyone's surprise, though, he did pay the support. [17:11] Huh. Yeah. So that is interesting. I didn't see that coming. At least he paid it, you know, the bare minimum. But the public dissolution of her parents' marriage, which became then a big source of gossip in a small town, was kind of a... [17:25] a source of shame for Blanche. And on top of that, things in her own marriage weren't really going very well. [17:32] After the birth of her second baby, she wasn't really interested in being with James romantically. And since getting married, in her view, he had changed quite a bit physically, and she just wasn't feeling very attracted to him. Oh, okay. In addition, the gambling and the drinking that, when he was younger, made him seem wild and fun and carefree, now made him seem irresponsible and reckless and probably reminded her of her father. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Now, even though he knew he was being judged,

[18:02] James kept drinking. He kept gambling. And he also had picked up a new hobby since he got back from Korea and just spent a lot of his weekends editing tape recordings of sermons from the Glen Hope Baptist Church so that the tapes could be sent overseas for missionary work, which, like, [18:20] Uh [18:21] cool. Like, you know, you're getting a little extra cash by doing that, but you're also spending all your time away from your family by working, gambling, and drinking. Yeah. It's like a couple of those things could go. Right. You know, like work for sure. Keep that up. Gambling and drinking. If it's affecting you negatively, you got to stop. Maybe cut that back. Cut it back. Yeah. Now, so by 1962, the distance between James and Blanche had become so evident that even strangers would have felt the tension between them. It wasn't just a lack of physical intimacy or the fact that he was [18:51] But Blanche also found other ways to spend her time in the absence of her husband. Oh, boy. That year, she started an affair with her boss, Raymond Reed. Saw that coming. Yeah. [19:00] And she barely tried to hide it, not only from her husband, but like from anyone. Yeah, she doesn't give a fuck. She really didn't give a single fuck. That doesn't shock me. One theme of this story that you'll find is that Blanche does not give a fuck. Fucks are nowhere to be found. No, her fuck basket is barren. And that sounded a lot worse than I meant for her, too. But you can leave it in. So before long, the tension over Blanche's obvious affair escalated to verbal abuse and occasionally physical abuse from her husband. [19:30] Blanche argued over her relationship and he just started flinging spoonfuls of chocolate pudding at her.

[19:36] Thank you. [19:37] In a mean way. I know that sounds silly. It does, but it's like, but it's mean when you really think of that. I want you to picture that. That's weird. They're having a serious conversation. Yeah, like that's fucked up flinging pudding at her. [19:51] Also, so childish. He was quite childish. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Despite their troubles and Blanche's ongoing affair, which she didn't give a fuck about, [20:02] They kind of tried to keep up appearances as a happy couple, even though it was blatantly obvious to everyone that Blanche was having an affair. But in the early 1960s, James did decide to slow his drinking and he cut off all contact with his gambling circle and he joined a church and found new friends there. [20:20] Now, Blanche continued to work at Kroger, and she also filled a lot of her free time by selling Tupperware, which was such a thing. My God, Tupperware parties? Yeah. Yeah, that was like a real thing. I've always heard of them, but... Just buy Tupperware. [20:33] I kind of want to go to a Tupperware party because one thing about me is I make people food and then I lose my Tupperware. That's the thing. When I think of Tupperware parties, I'm like... [20:44] Not a bad idea because I can always use more Tupperware. Should we start Tupperware parties again? Maybe we should have a Tupperware party. Maybe we should have a Tupperware party. Do you feel like the word Tupperware is losing all meaning? Tupperware. Say Tupperware again. Tupperware. Tupperware. [20:56] Yeah. [20:57] I want to say it again. Tupperware. Sorry, I couldn't stop. One more time. So yeah, we should have those parties again. I think so too. So she just randomly started doing that. And it seemed like she was a powerhouse salesperson because she routinely filled her nights with those parties and other events. But what James thought was his wife's satisfying side job was in fact a cover story that allowed her to keep her nights free to spend with her boss, Raymond.

[21:21] who she was sleeping with, and other men in town, who she was also sleeping with. Fuck Blanche. She kind of seemed to have a growing obsession with sex, and it was obvious to anybody who spent any time with her. At work, she was relentlessly flirty, not just with her boss Raymond, but with any man she found attractive. And she found a lot of men attractive. According to Schutz, this is wild. She might be mid-sentence talking about Jesus and the Bible, and she would [21:51] coworker, man, I'd like to see the dick on that guy. [21:55] . [21:56] At no part of that did I know where it was going. But then we got there. At no part of that. Even at the end. She said, what the fuck? Imagine. I've never had someone say that to me. [22:09] or in my presence i don't think i have no i've never heard somebody say that man i'd love to see the dick on that wow what do you say it's very samantha jones i guess it is very samantha jones i feel like you just have to be like okay whoo-wee blanche i bet i bet yeah that's like what are you neat go for it [22:30] yeah i hope that works out for you awesome period hey so honestly period to me is like the best response because you have to put an end on that sentence period period blanch

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[26:27] Took him a minute, but at least he got there. Exactly. Now, when he wasn't doting on his daughters, he could easily be found spoiling his nieces and nephews, especially his sister Dot's children, because their father had died a few years earlier in a drowning accident. Oh, geez. So he was really trying to fill that role, too. The happier James became, though, the more frustrated and disgruntled Blanche became. Which shouldn't be the case. No, when your husband's succeeding, like, you're supposed to be really happy about that and vice versa. [26:57] husband or wife or partner is thriving that should make you feel like oh hell yeah yeah like part of marriage is celebrating each other's wins yeah but no matter the circumstances she criticized his every move she constantly commented on his appearance which included a lot of fat shaming oh which is like really shitty mean and if she wasn't complaining about how much money he was spending on his hobbies or on the kids [27:21] She was criticizing him, like I said, for how much weight that he had put on since they got married. [27:25] that's just mean man i'd like to point out sometimes as a sign of happiness okay it's true comfortability exactly now at the same time james's family who had once been very kind and welcoming to blanche remember but they're probably like what the fuck that's the thing they started to grow cold and distant around there because it wasn't any secret that she was cheating on him yeah so that not only is she cheating but she's also bullying him yeah while he's being a good dad and humiliating him when he's made these like life changes life changes that it seemed like she [27:55] to make. That's the thing. Not everybody makes those changes or grows like that. And here's the thing, like,

[28:01] Sometimes it is too late for you to make it up to another person. Yeah, for them to want to be along for the ride with you going through these changes, and that's okay. That's okay, but you just get divorced. Yeah, you don't bully them. No. You say, okay, it's so cool that you're doing this, but it's past the point of being repaired. I'm glad you made those changes, but... You're going to make them without me. It's too far gone, and I hope you keep it up. Yeah. So, yeah, his family was just like, you know what, um... [28:31] We really don't like you anymore. Yeah, don't blame him. So by the mid-60s, her world was rapidly changing, and it doesn't really sound like for the better. For somebody who craved and seemed to require control to feel a sense of stability at at least one point, the ongoing upset at home was becoming unbearable for her. So in September of 1966, Blanche experienced one of the more defining moments of her life when her father, P.D., passed away. This is interesting. And that's all I can say. It's allegedly pretty interesting. [29:01] Okay. According to the coroner, the cause of death was a heart attack brought on by chronic emphysema. [29:07] The deaths didn't come as a big surprise to really anybody who knew him because PD had been a pretty much a lifelong smoker and he had always been pretty reckless when it came to his health. And he also led a kind of nomadic existence. He just moved from one town to another. So there wasn't a real consistent record of his health care to speak of. I think that, you know. [29:28] raised some eyebrows later. Now, if anybody had been paying close attention to his symptoms just before his death, the cause of death might have been diagnosed as something...

[29:38] altogether different. He entered the hospital the day before he died, complaining of chest and stomach pains, and he was admitted and moved to a room. Over the course of the next 30 hours or so, though, he experienced a range of symptoms, most of which were internal, that included paralysis in the limbs, [29:56] painful irritation of the nose and throat, aggressive bloating, and a burning sensation in his hands and feet, among other things. What? Also, if somebody had been at his bedside when he died or immediately after, they maybe would have noticed a strong scent of garlic on his breath. [30:16] Oh. Despite the fact that he hadn't been eating garlic. Hmm. And I don't know if you guys know this, but all of those signs are prominent telltale signs of arsenic poisoning. Oh. [30:30] Our old friend, Arsenic. Yeah. Now, the problem was Petey checked into a large, busy city hospital where he was obviously attended to, but it was periodically by nurses and doctors. There was nobody there who was consistently monitoring his symptoms. And even if they had suspected that his death wasn't natural, by the time of the autopsy, Arsenic would have passed out of his system entirely. [31:00] a toxicology report. [31:02] Now, weirdly, Blanche didn't really seem moved by her father's death.

[31:09] Um, you know, maybe that could have provided some insight to people. I think that would be something that you would at least be like, huh. Yeah. You know, but you know. [31:21] Who's to say they had a tough relationship? They did. That's the thing. They had a very complicated relationship. So I see both sides. And it's not like he was a warm fuzzy... [31:29] Yeah. And didn't allow them to have any kind of real life as they were growing up. So that could just be distance emotionally in that way. And she also had a lot going on at home. Yeah. While PD was writhing in pain in the hospital, Blanche's marriage was rapidly deteriorating. By the late 60s, the once private arguments between Blanche and James started to spill over into public spaces. [31:59] scream at each other in the front yard or driveway. And one particularly bad incident in 1969, neighbors watched in horror as they got into a shoving match one Sunday. Hmm. [32:12] On their way to church. Oh. And what started as a verbal agreement quickly escalated to James trying to shove Blanche into the car. [32:20] She immediately got out of the car and slammed the door behind her, but her coat was caught in the door when it shut, and he started backing down the driveway, so she was pulled to the ground and dragged down the driveway on her knees until James finally stopped the car. [32:37] Thank you. [32:38] We were rooting for you. We were rooting. We were all rooting for you. How dare you? Yeah.

[32:44] what and on your way to church on your way to church are you going to confession too you're gonna sit in that pew and act like everything's fine yeah fuck that is crazy it is crazy holy shit now james had always been a pretty easily excitable man you know he had gambled and drank in the past yes he got hurrayed really quickly but [33:08] With all the tension in his marriage and the changing state of the world around them, the stress of life was starting to take a toll on him physically. And one afternoon in 1970, as he was driving into downtown Burlington, he was stopped by a police roadblock and told he couldn't go in the direction he was going because there was an active shooting situation. Wow. [33:27] Now, obviously, he immediately turned the car around and drove home, but the situation caused him such incredible anxiety that by the time he got home, he was shaking and sweating profusely. [33:38] And then that turned into vomiting and violent diarrhea. What? So he finally went to see his doctor and was informed that he had had a fairly serious heart attack. Holy shit. And unless he wanted to experience another one, he needed to make some major changes in his life. Yeah. Yeah. [33:54] So the health scare marked a major turning point in his life. About six months later, Blanche came to her own major turning point, too, when Raymond Reed and his wife finally divorced. That's her boss that she was having a affair with. James was still doing his best to raise their kids and, you know, avoid his blood pressure spiking. Oh, Jesus Christ. And Blanche was spending almost all of her free time with Raymond, explaining to anyone who cared that she was just trying to help him out because he didn't have a wife anymore. Oh, yeah. Just trying to stand in as his wife.

[34:24] But at that point, they had been carrying on a pretty public affair for... [34:29] almost 10 years. So people were like, are you guys serious? [34:33] Yeah. Are you for real? That's the thing. Be so serious right now. The increased attention really didn't seem that unusual to anybody, not even to James. He fully knew that they were continuing their affair. Now, maybe it was because he was so accustomed to his wife's infidelity, or maybe he was just trying to not have another heart attack. But whatever the case, he really never expressed any disappointment in Blanche after they went through that really big period of arguing. And then it just seemed like they were like, okay, we'll live together and we'll be married. [35:03] fucking hate you and you know I do so let's not even talk about it. [35:06] That's really sad. What a sad existence. And sad for their kids. Yeah, it's sad for everybody. Yeah. [35:12] So they just carried on. [35:15] As usual, she worked a lot, took care of the bills. She, you know, had a grand old time at Kroger. Holy shit. But all of that came to an end in the fall of 1973. [35:26] One day in late September of that year, James started experiencing symptoms of what he thought was the flu. He was getting bad headaches, his glands were swollen, and he was becoming violently ill. When the symptoms finally got so bad that he couldn't manage them anymore, he went to see a doctor. But by then, things had escalated significantly. In addition to all the earlier flu-like symptoms, he now had painful blisters on his hands and feet. His hair was falling out in clumps. What?

[35:56] was beginning to swell. The doctors had actually never seen anything like this, but they were like, it's not related to your heart, that's for sure. Yeah, some shit is going on. So the doctor ordered a myriad of tests to rule out various illnesses and hopefully find the cost in the case of what the fuck was going on here. But after several tests, James was worried about the cost of the [36:20] Hmm. Which is like really sad. Yeah, because it's like something is obviously going wrong. Yeah. Now on the night of October 2nd, Blanche had just cooked dinner and set the table, but James told her his throat was hurting too much to eat, so he skipped dinner. But rather than let her husband go without dinner entirely... [36:37] Blanche, being the sweetie Bobidi that she is, brought him some ice cream and convinced him to at least have some of it. It might make his throat feel better. [36:46] You know, I'm scared. Well, unfortunately, within the hour after having said ice cream, James was writhing in tremendous pain on the couple's bed, which then escalated to, I'm so sorry, violent projectile vomiting. Oh, no. And he said the feeling that something was inside of him trying to claw its way out. [37:09] "'What the fuck?' Rather than call for an ambulance, Blanche sent her daughter away, telling the girl she'd arrange for a doctor in the morning. And then she made up the couch— [37:21] And she went to sleep on it. What? While her husband lay upstairs, projectile vomiting with the feeling that somebody was trying to claw its way out of him. That is...

[37:31] horrifying. [37:33] I'm sure you will be shocked to hear this. But the next morning when Blanche went to the bedroom to check on James, she found him on his side, his hands twisted like claws, and his face a bluish purple color. Oh my god. Under the circumstances, I think almost fucking anybody would call for some sort of help. Yeah. Emergency services, police, what have you. Sounds dead to me. [37:57] Blanche just calmly informed her daughter that her father was dead— [38:00] and then went to call her other daughter, who I think maybe was at a sleepover or something, and informed her of the same thing. In fact, Blanche called nearly every single one of James's relatives. [38:12] to tell them that their loved one was dead. [38:16] And also, she called the man she'd been having an affair with for ten years, Raymond Reed, to tell him, also, that her husband was dead, and to please come over. [38:28] And then finally she called an ambulance and reported the death. [38:32] Thank you. [38:33] I can't even picture this. Like, this is... Next level. This is mayhem. Why would you call... What's, like, a male mistress? [38:44] She's a mister? Your paramour, maybe? Paramour? Why would you call your sidemans over? Your side piece? [38:52] to your house when like your husband just died yeah and why would you call his whole family instead of emergency services [39:01] And why would you call your daughter...

[39:03] And just tell them calmly, Daddy's dead. What? I... [39:10] I don't even know what to say. I don't even know what to say. His death was listed a heart attack? Yeah. [39:16] Which made sense given his medical history. But like P.D. Kaiser's death years earlier, no one considered the events and the symptoms that led up to the 45-year-old supposed heart attack. Yeah. Or the fact that those symptoms would not have been caused by heart failure. [39:35] So for a short time after James's death, which just happened and life moved on, apparently. Yeah, apparently. Blanche played the role of a grieving widow. But really, in no time, things got back to normal. Her daughter Cindy said in 1989, mom never expected to spend the rest of her life by herself. She said she had too much to offer. [39:56] Wow. [39:58] She was just like, yeah, I don't give a shit. Yeah. Blanche and Raymond continued to see each other, but they... [40:04] would only visit each other at their respective homes so as to not contribute to any gossip, even though they'd literally been together for like 15 years at this point. I was gonna say, like, really? But other than the living arrangements, they were very much a couple in every sense. And thinking back on that time, Blanche's daughter, Vanessa, had fond memories. She said Raymond was a very good man. He was very good to us. I mean, that's good. So for a little bit, the arrangements seemed to suit everybody just fine. They could carry on their affair while [40:32] Blanche still had enough space to continue building her own identity independent of men in her life for like four seconds.

[40:39] But her relationship with Reed wasn't the only bad habit that she carried on after her husband died abruptly. She also kept up her scheme of petty theft from the registers on the store. She's still at that? She's been at that. God damn. People started to notice the missing money. And people already had in the past, but more and more people were beginning to notice. Yeah. And finally, in 1976, a bag of cash went missing from the store. Wow. [41:09] register when the money went missing blanche was immediately suspected of the theft and she was actually even questioned by the police and a private investigator that kroger hired oh my god but they couldn't find any evidence and so there was no way she could be charged with anything [41:24] But a few months later, most people in Burlington did find it pretty odd that Blanche was able to afford a down payment on a new house. Pretty interesting. Even though she had the salary of a grocery store clerk. Yeah. [41:36] She's just really good at it. She's just thrifty. Yeah. Now, just as it had been with her now dead husband, as Blanche started to come into her own as a single woman, Raymond Reed's life became considerably more difficult. After he got divorced, his relationship with his wife was very bitter. And it was worse than it had ever been, actually, even when they were married. So it was hard for him to keep seeing his kids on a regular basis. Yeah. Which, like, maybe you should think about that before you cheat on your wife. Just saying. Yeah, I think that would be good advice. That's just how I feel. [42:06] was problems at the store. In addition to the occasionally mysteriously missing money that he probably knew his mistress was responsible for, the store wasn't making the kind of profit that it needed to remain a viable branch. So that meant that there were more frequent

[42:20] visits by the store's regional manager, Robert Hutton. Now, like Raymond, Robert, sorry, it might get confusing here. Robert. Robert. Sorry, I miss Marcus the Worm. We must quote Marcus the Worm at all times. Robert Hutton was very devoted to the Kroger Company, a lot like Raymond, and he loved his job. But that's where the similarities between the two of them ended. Robert Hutton, the manager, [42:45] He was young, he was apparently good-looking, and said to be cartoonishly masculine. [42:53] I'm just picturing Johnny Bravo. What is, what was the, it was in Twilight, one of the Twilight movies, something feminine, like aggressively feminine. Yeah. [43:02] It reminds me of that. Cartoonishly masculine. [43:07] It's hard to say. Yeah. Cartoonishly masculine. Was it aggressively feminine? I think it was like aggressively feminine. I think it was in the book. Yeah, it is in the book. I think it's like Jacob's chapter. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, didn't he? He says Rosalie and... And Alice. Yeah. [43:22] and alice right yeah just reminded me about now we have cartoonishly masculine i love it robert bragged about his ability to sleep with any woman he wanted to love telling raunchy jokes which like you probably shouldn't do as the manager of a store probably not yeah and he also had a habit of sleeping around with women at various stores in his district ew what a pig and really didn't make it a secret [43:43] So after careful review, he concluded that the Burlington Kroger did not stand a chance of survival and the store ended up having to be closed. Now, fortunately, he did recognize that a lot of the staff was, in fact, very reliable, very competent, good people, including Blanche and Raymond. So like maybe not good people, but so they were all offered jobs at other area locations at a pay cut, though.

[44:07] Raymond was demoted to assistant manager in Martinsville, and that was one of the Virginia stores. And Blanche was demoted to just a regular old cashier position in Greensboro. A few months later, Hutton moved Raymond to the Durham, North Carolina store and then promoted him back to manager. But Blanche stayed where she was. Now, not surprisingly, the demotion and relocation were major disappointments for Blanche. She didn't have the power that she had over other cashiers anymore. Oh, no. [44:37] else who didn't get to spend every day with her side man. So therefore... [44:41] she didn't know what he was getting up to while she was away who's to be sure i know well you know the way it's going already about yeah you got to be worried it took some time but by 1983 she managed to get transferred to the store that he worked at oh man guys the realization meant at least an hour-long commute each way but apparently it was worth it to her to keep up her relationship with raymond and it also meant that she would be working alongside robert hutton who she thought [45:11] years earlier this bitch wants to have her cake and eat it she does [45:25] Thank you. [45:25] Traditional old banks charge you overdraft and monthly fees. Why pay to get your own money? Chime is banking built for you. That's why they have thousands of fee-free ATMs. Chime members can earn up to $1,150 in annual rewards fee-free. And with a Chime card, you get 5% cash back in a category you choose. You're not just switching banks, you're upgrading to a Chime checking account. Chime is not just smarter banking,

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[49:20] She really does. She does. He also had grown tired of their not so secret relationship and really just wanted to be together since they could be now. Yeah. But that wasn't fun for her. After she moved to the Greensboro store, he actually asked her to marry him. But she was like, no. My God. And then he asked her to marry him again. She said no. And she was like, no. Yeah, guys, she said no. And then he kept asking her to marry him. And she continued to say no. Oh my God, [49:50] marry him, but she really wasn't interested in changing their relationship at all. She was like, we can have a clandestine affair forever and ever. Now, if she wasn't interested in marrying Raymond and committing to monogamy, it's probably because she had her sights set on Robert Hutton now, the store manager, the other one. [50:05] Over the months that they've been working together, she was dropping hints indicating her interest in him, but he hadn't really picked up on anything. [50:12] Which was kind of crazy because he was a disgusting pig who regularly groped women that he employed. God. So I guess subtlety was something he wasn't accustomed to. Oh, he lacked sorely. But despite his aggressiveness with some women at the store and his tendency to grab them without permission, he knew that his attention wasn't wanted from Blanche. Like, he thought that she didn't want him to do that to her, I guess. Oh. Yeah. [50:37] What made him think that? I don't really know, to be honest with you. But eventually Blanche dropped the subtlety and got right to the point and just told him that she wanted him and she knew he wanted her. [50:48] Yeah. So I guess they got together. There it is. Now, by 1985, her life was spinning out of control again. She was still seeing Raymond regularly and continuing to deny his marriage proposals. Cool. While also carrying on a sexual relationship with her boss, Robert Hutton. And apparently balancing the two was getting a little bit difficult. Yeah. So that January, the chaos escalated when Blanche called Raymond one day to tell him that she had come home and her house was ablaze.

[51:15] Oh. She said, hello, Raymond. I got home and it's engulfed in flames. Hi. My house is on fire. He raced over to Blanche's house and when he got there, luckily by then, the firefighters had managed to put out the flames, but the damage had been done. When they went into the bedroom, fire investigators found all of Blanche's underwear and lingerie scattered about, and she claimed that there had been a pervert prowling around the house days before, and she was pretty sure that he was the one who set the fire. Oh, excuse me. [51:45] Weirdly, when they asked for any defining characteristics of this person that she had seen only days earlier, Blanche couldn't remember any details. [51:53] Okay. At all. Okay. [51:55] So her homeowner's insurance paid out a large sum and she sold the house as is, which is crazy. But she managed to come out ahead and she used the money to buy a mobile home a few miles away. But this fire is where things really started to get fucking crazier in her life. [52:12] Over the course of a year, she continued her affair with Robert Hutton and her relationship with Raymond, while also having a bunch of one-night stands with a bunch of other men in town. Blanche. She's young and she's getting it, I guess. She is young and getting it. So, that's one way of describing this. I don't know how else to say it. A few months after the fire that destroyed her... [52:32] for her house, Blanche was again, sadly, the victim of another house fire. You know what? Some people, arson just kind of follows. It's crazy. Follows them around. It's the weirdest thing. You can never figure out why. You really can't. You know, sometimes fire just... Fire curses. Fire follows people. Yeah. It follows, but it's fire. It does, but it's fire. Fire follows. Fire follows. So Raymond got to Blanche's house to pick her up for fucking church one afternoon. I'm sorry. It's just wild to me that this woman goes to church.

[53:02] But he was getting annoyed that she was taking so long, which was going to make them late, and he didn't want to be late for church. [53:12] He's a righteous man. Yeah. He's a righteous man. He's a righteous Raymond. Let's be real. So after she finally got out to the car, they had barely pulled out of the driveway when Raymond slammed on the brakes and said, Blanche, there's smoke coming out of your bedroom window. [53:26] In response, she didn't look back. She just said, no, I think that's the sun reflecting on it. Yeah. I'm sorry. But if somebody tells me that there's smoke coming from my bedroom window, I'm going to tell them, hey, would you mind pulling back in the driveway so I can figure out what the fuck that's about? Yeah, no, I just feel like I bet it's just the sun reflecting. I'm not worried. Yeah. She was like, listen, we're late. We have to go to church. Don't worry about that. Now, crazy. Yeah. When they returned from church later that evening. I bet I know. [53:53] They entered the house to find that the place was on fire. Oh my God, so much fire. Can you believe it? More fire. Small flames were licking around the corners of the bedroom, and Blanche exclaimed, Ah, damn it. Must have been that pervert again. Must have been. Just that arsonist pervert. Yeah, that fiery pervert. Not a fiery pervert. So Raymond grabbed the fire extinguisher from the kitchen and managed to put out the remains of the flames,

[54:23] smoke damage because of the fiery pervert. [54:26] In the closet, there was a single wax candle burning on the floor. [54:31] That's odd. That's the mark of a fiery, arsonist pervert. Yes. To Raymond's surprise, though. [54:39] The insurance company paid out a second claim on the fire without any questions. Huh. I feel like a man took that claim. I just have to say it. So during this time, Blanche managed to get a medical note from a doctor that claimed she had intestinal problems, which had been exacerbated by the fire. So it was possible she may need to take time off from work periodically. Of course, she very much used that as an excuse to blow off work or call out whenever she felt like it. [55:09] he was her manager. By that summer, he finally insisted that Blanche had to return to work, or she had to find a different job. But rather than give in... [55:19] She apparently went to Robert Hutton and initiated sex with him in his office, which produced a favorable result in terms of extending her medical leave. [55:29] And every decision she makes, I just never know where it's going. I know that was a crazy way to tell you what happened. But like, how else was I supposed to word it? Honestly, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. [55:42] So she didn't want to lose that job. So she got to work. Okay. In a different way. She did. She sure did. Yeah. In case you didn't pick that up. Oh, I picked it up. Everything that was happening at the time, it's very abundantly, massively clear that Blanche was becoming more and more reckless with every day that was passing. It would seem so. But all like that being said, at the same time, it really didn't seem like she had a long term strategy for anything.

[56:12] pulse one week after she and Hutton had sex in his office Blanche showed up at the law office of Walker Hoy and uh Carnotel Walker and or Hoy and Carnotel yeah them them the law the office [56:26] of law in a meeting with Douglas Hoy, one of the men involved in the law. She laid on a long history of the sexual harassment that she experienced at Kroger at the hands of the district manager [56:40] Robert Hutton. Whoa! Yeah, do you remember that she did go to his office and then she ate sex to keep her job? After hearing the story she told, Hoy agreed to take the case, obviously, and in January of 1986, she filed a sexual harassment lawsuit against Kroger for $13.8 million in superior court. Wow. Among other things, the suit accused Robert Hutton of four counts of battery, four [57:10] emotional distress, and one count of invasion of privacy. The suit also alleged that executives at Kroger were aware of Hutton's sexual proclivities and failed to take any precautionary measures. Wow. She claimed that on multiple occasions, excuse me, he had called her into his office or conference rooms and exposed himself to her, fondled her, or made sexual advances. Fuck that guy. In the most egregious of these incidents, she claimed that he approached her from behind, [57:40] He approached her from behind while she was stocking items and grabbed her around the waist and said, are you ready for this?

[57:46] Ew. And I'm not asking you if you're ready for this. That's what he asked her. No, that's like literally what he said. And she said... [57:53] They're in the grocery store. Please remember that. Yeah. She said when she turned around, he was nude from the waist down. Ew. She said she managed to get out of his grasp and grab his pants and underwear. And then she ran out of the store, which forced him to leave wearing a shirt and a tie and a butcher's apron. [58:08] Oh my God. She also alleged that he frequently threatened to fire her or transfer her to another store if she didn't acquiesce to his demands. [58:17] I mean, that's fucked up. Remember that Blanche is the oldest woman on death row. Remember that. Okay. Yeah, we should remember that. Now, given his history with women at the company, though, because he is a pig. Yeah. Not all of this is true. Like, everything that she put in her lawsuit, and like, we know that. But he is piggy. But he is a pig. Yeah. So given his history with women, it really wasn't that hard for anybody to believe what Blanche had alleged. And Robert Hutton was forced to resign from his position. Yeah. [58:47] until in late 1987, Kroger finally agreed to settle for $250,000. [58:54] So Blanche has a lot of money now. Sure does. Now, in the spring of 1986, one of Blanche's sisters called and asked if she would join them for Easter service at the Carolina United Church of Crass in Burlington. Of Crass. Her husband, Blanche's sister's husband, was in the hospital dying from cancer. And this was a tradition that they always looked forward to. So Blanche agreed to accompany her to the service. Now, Blanche had been to that service many times in her laugh. I just feel like it's you have to. You know what I mean? Laugh. I think it's Blanche.

[59:23] and crossed. Yeah, you got to. So she had been there a million times, but when she arrived for Easter service in 1986, she was surprised to find that the church had been taken over by a fine new pastor. Oh, you don't say? Reverend Dwight Moore. [59:36] Dwight, you say? Dwight, yeah. In fact, Easter was to be Moore's first big celebration as the new pastor. So the stakes were very high, and he was very much looking forward to this event. Oh, absolutely. Now, not long before he arrived in Burlington, before he found himself as head pastor, he had gone through a really painful divorce, which was not officially the cause for his moving, but it was almost certainly why he was reassigned. Yeah. So he hoped the new [1:00:06] Now, for someone who had been drawn to the flair and drama of her father's fire and brimstone preaching... [1:00:12] Blanche wasn't terribly impressed with Reverend Moore when she first saw him. Unlike the preacher she was used to from her youth, he was kind of a modern church leader who focused on the more positive aspects of Christianity. Yeah. And he kind of left behind like darker Old Testament lessons that he thought were scary. Screw. Screw. But still, there was something about him that Blanche found intriguing. He was handsome. He was friendly. He was energetic. Maybe she didn't like his preaching, but she lacked his face. Oh, there you go. [1:00:42] he couldn't help but find himself drawn to Blanche as well. Oh, no. As soon as that Easter service ended and the congregation made their way to Easter breakfast, he immediately spotted Blanche and her sister and he made his way over to their table.

[1:00:56] Now, if he had been in Burlington for more than a few weeks, the odds were that he probably would have heard a lot of rumors about Blanche. Yeah. And while he may not have approved of that gossip, he probably would have stayed away. Probably. But he hadn't heard about Blanche's salacious and occasionally scandalous past. Uh-oh. So he saw no reason why he shouldn't reach out to her. Yeah, why not? About a week after the Easter service, he managed to get a hold of her address, which is a little bit sketchy, and he showed up at her house one evening, but she wasn't home. [1:01:25] managed to catch her and the two sat down, chatted over coffee, gave her a little of his history. They got to know one another. Now, [1:01:33] As religious leaders go, Dwight Moore's backstory was surprisingly atypical. After high school, he went to Duke University, where he studied theology. Being educated in a traditional university, I guess, made him kind of an outlier in the Christian church. But what was more surprising was that shortly after beginning his service at his previous assignment, he started having an affair with his secretary, Eileen. Oh, who was also married at the time. Okay. [1:02:03] her husband and she and more made their relationship public but it was always a well-known secret that they started seeing each other when they were both married my god after nearly 20 years together their uh their relationship eventually soured and they divorced which proved too scandalous for the congregation and that's why he moved they said we can't have this they said [1:02:25] now maybe blanche saw something of herself and dwight more story or maybe she just liked the way he looked who's to say she liked his face she did like his face whatever it was the two hit it off and they started seeing each other more again more and more uh and they made sure to keep everything a secret

[1:02:42] For Moore, another romantic scandal would have had him excommunicated and probably kicked out of his new congregation. Yeah. And as for Blanche, her lawsuit against Kroger alleged that as a result of workplace harassment, she had been unable to form healthy relationships with men. Yeah. [1:02:58] Yeah. So if the new relationship got out, that case probably would have been lost. Probably. Now, as her interest in Dwight Moore grew, the amount of time that she had in her life for Raymond decreased, and that wasn't lost on him. In the spring of 1986, he showed up at Blanche's house unannounced, and he gave her a very expensive ring and a velvet-lined box. And he said, don't feel like I'm trying to pressure you. I just wanted you to have something nice for me. [1:03:25] Thank you. [1:03:26] Now that wasn't all Raymond gave her that day. He also handed her over two tickets and a hotel confirmation for a trip to Florida. Yeah. [1:03:34] Just wants to have a nice little trip with her. Okay. Now, during their trip to Florida, they did embark on a trip to Florida. Okay. Raymond did everything he could to endear himself to Blanche. He wanted to rekindle their once passionate romance. He paid for everything. He complimented her. He flattered her endlessly. Damn. Doted on her morning until night. Sounds really nice. But nothing really seemed to work. When they got back from the trip, she told her psychiatrist, I feel really guilty when I tell Raymond not to come over. He always wants to come to my house. [1:04:04] I got to tell him goodbye. [1:04:06] she's like you know what this is kind of bullshit like i do feel feelings but like i'm not into it well like i'm kind of annoyed so like she had done years ago when she was cheating on her husband blanche went out of her way to keep dwight pastor dwight a secret from raymond but he was hearing the rumors from the cashiers at the store and from everybody else in town and the thought of losing blanche to another man was so incredibly stressful and

[1:04:29] that eventually his body began to react to the stress. Oh, no, you don't say. Or so he thought. [1:04:36] One afternoon in the spring of 1986, after experiencing an outbreak of some kind of painful blistering rash... Oh, no. Probably out of nowhere. Out of nowhere, I tell you. Raymond went to his doctor, Dr. Norman Garrett, who took one look at one of those red blistered boils on his skin and diagnosed him with... [1:04:55] shingles shingles is incredibly painful and incredibly disrupting but it can be brought back under control with medication and with rest [1:05:06] But no matter how much Raymond rested and took the medication as he was directed, he wasn't getting any better. Oh, no. And by April, he ended up being admitted to the hospital. By that time, he was experiencing significant numbness in his arms and legs. Oh, shit. And a burning sensation with severe stomach discomfort. Oh, no. So for the next several months, he spent most of his time in and out of the hospital and traveling to different specialists just trying to figure out what the fuck was going on. [1:05:36] him with Guillain-Barre syndrome, which is a rare immune disorder where basically your body's muscle system just starts to fail. Yeah, that's crazy. The symptoms can look a lot like the symptoms of poisoning, but at the time, nobody had any reason to suspect that it wasn't Guillain-Barre. Okay. [1:05:55] Yeah. [1:05:57] Now, in early October, only five months after his symptoms emerged, Raymond Reed died in the hospital. Oh, shit. Now, according to her daughters, Blanche visited Raymond often in the hospital and seemed distraught by his death. But I'd like to highlight, visited him often in the hospital. Was in the hospital with him.

[1:06:27] to his kids, his sons, a few days after their father had died. The safe had been in Raymond's house when he died, and the boys knew that's where he kept an antique coin collection that he was saving for them. Yeah. And there were silver bars in there, too, that he collected over the years. But when they opened the safe with the key that Blanche gave them, his sons were surprised to find that the silver bars were missing – [1:06:51] And so was the large chunk of a coin collection. Aww. Everything was gone. That's so fucked up. So fucked up and so strange. How did that happen? That's so fucked up when things disappear like that. I know, and people just die miraculously after having... [1:07:06] the strangest symptoms. So crazy. But that, my friends... [1:07:10] is where we're going to end for part one. Damn. And in part two, we'll learn a lot more about strange symptoms and things that go missing and the woman that is behind all of it. Blanche is really out here. Blanche Taylor Moore is a reckless woman. I mean, she's the oldest woman on death row, so she... [1:07:25] She did it. She did something. So... [1:07:29] whatever whatever been done she did it period i i can't believe she's gonna do more she's gonna do more i have a whole part too oh shit yeah there's a pastor too oh man of course there is i mean you know him dwight of course yeah i i knew dwight wasn't gonna getting out of this maybe i don't [1:07:52] Not scot-free, I imagine. [1:07:54] I'll tell you in part two. I guess you will. All right. Well, I have a fun fact for you, actually. Oh, I don't even know if it's my turn, but it is. Cool. I got a Snapple yesterday. Oh, you did. I haven't had a Snapple in forever. And I forgot that they put fun facts in the cap.

[1:08:09] I forgot that too. And my fun fact was... [1:08:12] gorillas burp when they're happy. I love that. And I too burp when I'm happy. I do too. It's awesome. So good for all of us. Mikey knows that better than anyone. Yes. All right. Well, with all that being said, we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird. It's so weird that you're so happy that you burp, burp, burp, burp, burp, burp, burp, burp, burp, burp. Burp your world away. Yeah. Burp all your world away, but not so weird that people around you [1:08:42] That's so weird. Unexplainable. And don't, you know, be followed by a fire perv. No! Don't do that. That's weird. Don't do that. A fiery perv, if you will. Not a fiery perv. [1:09:12] Thank you.

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