JRE MMA Show #182 - Protect Ya Neck

[00:01] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! [00:12] Hey! Oh! Hey! What's up, brothers? So your boy Tommy was awesome. He was great. He was good. He was really cool. Yeah, I actually listened on the way out to that one. He's really fun. Tommy Lee's fun. He's like a big kid, man. He is. A big kid. Yeah, like a 15-year-old that just never, you know, had to grow up. [00:30] way up. Because he didn't have to. Well, he got famous when he was 18. Exactly. So he really never had to grow up. He just stayed Tommy Lee. Yeah, I'm glad you finally got to have him on. It was very cool. So it was good. It's weird that he's really in a bonsai trees. Oh, big time. [00:43] Crazy. Trims them up. He's got like 100-year-old yardage. Where do you even find them at? You make them yourself, too. His yard, he sets up like a whole Zen garden type of thing. It's pretty wild. But he's been into those, and he likes to trim them up, and it's pretty wild. He's a positive, energy, nice guy. He's never been in my room. [01:04] what do you want to say, interactions with him? He's never been a dick. Never. He was cool to work for. Well, I only worked, I met him rather when you were working with him. [01:14] when you were his bodyguard, and then this is the other time I met him. So he's super cool. Nice. Good. I remember him hocking the horn on his boat with his dick. [01:24] I don't know why. I don't want to remember that. His pecker's as tall as you are. I remember him with his fucking huge dick with Pamela Anderson. He's got a lot of advantages in this life, doesn't he? Good Lord. Good Lord. God damn. Same person. And one of the greatest drummers of all time. That was like one of the first sex tapes.

[01:44] Yeah, that was probably the first. Yeah, for sure. Her celebrities, actual celebrities. Did allow them to get famous afterwards. Yeah. [01:50] Well, they were already famous. That was why it was crazy. Both of them were super famous. But I mean, allow them to catapult them into a different stratosphere. Right. Well, anytime one of them celebrities is dating another celebrity, it's like their fucking superpowers unite. Yeah. They get that old stone. He was with Heather Locklear, too, right? Right. Yeah. [02:11] Yeah, I mean, he was a fun dude. [02:13] The trees thing is wild, though. I didn't know that these people, they have like 100-year-old trees, 200-year-old tree, 300-year-old bonsai trees, and they pass them down through generations. They have like paperwork so you know like who's the guy who first started the tree, and they've got these trees that are like several hundred years old, and they're like this big. [02:32] And they're in like a pot. What are you supposed to do with that? It's all like an artistic thing. They're trimming them in certain patterns. And every time they try to grow, you trim them down. And they just like tighten up. And it makes a weird form. Yeah, it comes out. They're pretty cool looking, actually. I wonder if the tree likes it, though. She's like, hey, motherfucker. I'm trying to grow. I'm 300 years old. I'm 16 inches tall. This is retarded. [03:02] life that [03:03] Oh, yeah. To the yang, you know what I mean? That's how he relaxes. I loved hearing it. It sounded perfect. I was like, oh, you found a great thing. And you see he's a gearhead, too, like you. So you guys had a little bonding on the cars. The first cars he bought. He bought an old Corvette. He got a fucking supercharger put on it. Yeah, yeah. He's a maniac. He's definitely a maniac. But he's a very nice, I mean, very great dude. Rock and roll, man. Oh, yeah. The guy was the drummer for Motley Crue. I can't even, at 18, I can't even imagine what that was.

[03:33] been like. [03:34] Must have been insane. [03:36] Guys, they don't want to stop touring, all these rock and roll stars. Why would they want to? I mean, if she's not adrenaline. But some of them maybe should, though. Some of them. Some of them. I saw some clips. Who the fuck was he? David Lee Roth. [03:48] No, I think it was the guy from ACDC. [03:51] Brian Johnson. I don't know if it went that great. Yeah. It's bad. It's pretty bad. Dude, ACDC is one of my favorite all-time bands, and Brian Johnson's struggling. I mean, with that screaming style he has, it's hard to keep that going. How do you keep that going? Like, no acting or vocal coach would ever tell you you could sing like that. I don't think so. You just can't sing like that. You can't fucking scream like that. I wonder if they get, like, 60-year-old. [04:16] Groupies. 100%. Really? 100%. They're shitty. Feeding tattoos. Oh, my God. They've been keeping that flame lit since the 80s. Of course. But do they have, like, new groupies, though? Of course. Of course. [04:29] Of course. [04:30] You know, there's no way they know. Like, Dustin – what's his – what is his name? Jesus Christ. [04:40] Thank you. [04:41] Thank you. [04:41] Rolling Stones? [04:43] I forget what I'm talking about. Mick Jagger? Well, I know Mick Jagger has a kid that's really young. Mick Jagger just had a kid really recently. Really? Yeah. [04:52] He's like, in his 80s. I was thinking of someone else, though. Someone else is another. Oh, there's a bunch of guys like that. Like Al Pacino just said. Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah. But a lot of older guys like that, they wind up having kids.

[05:04] They're still obviously getting young chicks to fuck them. It's kind of irresponsible. It's crazy. Having a kid at 80 is crazy. You hope he's going to take care of the kid, but maybe it's the young chick that wants the kids. Of course, but if you did it on purpose, if you're the guy and you did it on purpose, that's wild. You don't even want to be around. You're just going to have this kid at 80. [05:23] It's more important that my genes pass on that I'd be there for my child. Think about that. By the time you're 85, you're probably gone. Yeah. Yeah. [05:31] Yeah, by the time you're 85. Yeah, you won't even see your kid go to school. He'll be five years old, and the kid will be five years old, and the dad dies. Maybe the... [05:40] Maybe the wife wanted it. Well, sure. You leave something behind type of thing. Maybe it's better than not doing it. [05:47] Maybe. But also, if you're a fucking rational 80-year-old, like, bro, you barely have time to take care of yourself. You can't even keep your own shit in your pants. You're going to raise the kids. Both of them wear diapers. You're going to take the kids to the park and run around. Changing the kids' diapers and yours. Bro, you're going to break a hip, and your toddler is going to be screaming, and no one will hear it. Right. And you're going to be alone with them at the park. And you're going to be lying there bleeding internally from a broken hip. [06:17] Walk off. [06:19] Five years old. Three-year-old wander off when you're 80. That's nuts. Oh, yeah. By the way, Longo, you got him upset. [06:28] Because he's like, man, I've been feeling good. He's like, you know, I'm at the gym every day. [06:33] And I go, fucking, I turn on Rogan and he's...

[06:37] bitching about being 58. I'm like, what the fuck? He's 68. Oh. So he's basically like, what the fuck? He's complaining about being 58. Ray's really 68. He looks great. He fucking looks real good. He's got dark ass hair. I know, right? He don't have a Reagan hair. He's looking good. That's great. And then he asked me about a, what the fuck did he ask me? Because Ronald Reagan had dark hair like deep into his 70s. [07:07] If I had hair and I grew it out, it would be all gray. Really? Yeah, mostly. Mostly. [07:11] It's like my face, like my stubble. It's like at least... [07:15] 60% gray. Yeah, mine is all gray now. Yeah. It's weird. There's something about a gray beard that's like, you're just saying, fuck it. Yeah, that's why. That's why I just started trimming it down. I was like, yo, this is ridiculous. I don't like the way it looks. When I see myself in the mirror with a gray beard, I'm like, who the fuck are you? Yeah. You're supposed to have a dark beard. For sure. I had a dark beard most of my life. I'm looking at pictures from a couple years ago, and it's dark. Now it's all gray. What the fuck happened? They had a thing on A&E with me and George, [07:45] of me and you talking... [07:47] We both had hair. [07:50] Crazy, isn't it? It looked crazy. It's weird. You're just slowly slipping into the grave. [07:59] We're looking good, though. We're holding it down as long as we can. Yes, compared to people that don't take care of themselves and also compared to people from the past. Oh, that's what I'm saying. They didn't have TRT. They didn't have FFs. They didn't even understand, really. Don't rush. Like therapy. Think about in the 80s, what 40-year-olds look like in the 80s. Right.

[08:17] I think martial arts also helps. [08:22] an event [08:24] Henzo's 30th anniversary for his academy in the U.S. That was great. And they invited all the OGs. So, you know, we were – I've seen guys I hadn't seen in decades. Got a fifth degree. But, yeah, I got my fifth. Congratulations. Look at that. That's amazing. And – [08:38] I mean, we were talking like almost... [08:41] Everybody looked good. Everybody. That's awesome. And there was 50 guys, 60 guys there. The thing is, you've got to maintain, and if you don't maintain, you're never getting it back. Yeah. You can't, like, at 50, you can't take three years off. Right, right, right. It's just too hard to get back. And if you never worked out before, and you're, like, 46, and you're starting now, like... [09:02] It's tough. That's a hard road, man. It definitely is. You never worked out before. Like, first of all, go slow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to break everything. Well, that's the problem. People want to jump right in, and then you get hurt or get busted up a little bit, and then you just... [09:16] defeats, you know what I mean? You're like, fuck this. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace, the home of my website, JoeRogan.com. If you want to level up your business, you got to improve your website. Squarespace gives you everything you need to get a fully custom website, offer services, sell products, and get paid all in one place.

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[11:25] Like for me, like when I'm in Philly with the crew, Brady and Piper and them, like it's hard being in a room with these guys because they want to grab you and do moves on you. And I'm like, oh, chill out, man. Let's grab one of the younger guys. Bro, the last guy you want grabbing you is Brady. Yeah. Jesus Christ. He gets on top of you and just starts squeezing you. Yeah. That fucking fight with Joaquin Buckley, I was like, holy shit, man. Yeah, he ragged out. [11:55] shocking. I was like, okay, so this is his best form. Like, this is him at his best. At his best. Yeah. He's fucking terrible. He's a little inconsistent. Like, the Morales fight was tough. [12:07] And he said his head wasn't in it, but when his fucking head is in it and he's dialed in. For sure, man. When he grabs you, he'll squeeze you and you just start making a little noise. When he did a Leon and what he did to Joaquin, you're like, holy shit, man. What is that like? That was beautiful. Beautiful. As explosive an athlete as Joaquin is. The flow. Everywhere they went, he was just following them one step ahead. It was like, no escape. Yeah, yeah. He don't want you out, man. [12:38] Just smush. His back is so big, he just gets so much coverage over you when he's on top of you. [12:43] And the balance, it's just like so many steps ahead of them on the ground. The one time, it really looked like a cardio drill. Like he was on top. It looked like he was just getting a drill. Like placid face, super calm. I believe where they were, he wasn't allowed to do the 12 to 6 elbows. Oh, that's so crazy. That's right or wrong? Something like that. I think Jersey's still like that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of places that are like that, man. It's so dumb. They're still using the old unified rules.

[13:13] THEIR HOME. [13:13] Like, that rule doesn't make any sense. It would be nice if they would just... I get it if it's, you know, soccer kicks. Okay, you want to have a debate? But if you can elbow this way and this way and this way, but you can't go this way, that's just retarded. And everybody else is doing it. So why would you not do it? It doesn't make sense. And you have to remember what state you're in. That's the problem. So, like, when you're in the fight and you're on instinct and the guy's like this, but it's wide open for a 12-6 elbow, you're supposed to throw it. That's what it's for. [13:43] And the referee's ability to make a decision have consistency in the rule set. It's just another elbow. It doesn't make any sense. Like, this one elbow that's outlawed, that's crazy. [13:54] I don't know why I have no idea. But you can knee the hell out of somebody in their face. You can run and jump and knee them in the face. Oh, God. And some of the craziest knockouts we've ever seen come from that. Like we were just talking about Masvidal versus Asuka in the other hand. Oh, man. Four. Eight. [14:11] He's supposed to be wrestling again. Oh, but how? Is that real? Is that a good idea? No. I saw him talking the other day. Yeah, that freaked me out when I heard that. When he was talking, he was coughing a lot. I'm like, listen, people who are athletes, they're afraid of wrestling because it's exhausting. They don't want to feel that burn in their lungs. You really want to push yourself like that? I worry about it. I just don't want him to get fucked up. Totally with you. I mean, he had double lung cancer. [14:40] transplant surgery like how long ago? That was like a year ago. Maybe two years ago. I'd be worried about infection. I'd be worried about everything. And I would also be worried if you're doing that

[14:53] I think you have to take immunosuppressant drugs in order to keep someone else's organs inside of you. So you're going to go out to a giant crowd of people. My friend C.T. Fletcher, you know C.T. Fletcher? C.T. had a heart transplant. [15:07] and he has to take medication to keep this heart in his body, keep his body from rejecting it. And he has a bunch of complications from the medication, like makes him swell, and he post... [15:19] videos and pictures about like it's a serious thing and he had to be real careful during covid like you have a heart transplant and then you're on immunosuppressant drugs and all of a sudden or a bad flu yeah like anything bad will fucking kill you because your immune system is working in a weird way because it's trying to keep someone else's heart inside of you yeah your body's like who's this fucking heart right not our heart get it out your body's like this is a disease fight it [15:44] Which is wild that your body knows. Yeah. Like it recognizes that it's from another entity. This ain't yours. Yeah. [15:51] And we're just like, no, we can hack nature, shove it in there, give you some drugs that make your body stay alive. I think it was Bilal Muhammad. Yeah, it's Bilal Muhammad. It is Bilal Muhammad. Maybe he has like an agreement. Hey, listen, man. Didn't they used to train together, right? They did use to train together. So they're friends. Maybe that's the deal. Dude, we were just reading about this last night. Two people have had pig hearts transplanted in their bodies. No way. Yeah, one guy stayed alive, I think, for 60 days, and one guy stayed alive for 40 days. Did they gain a lot of weight? [16:21] Do they become fatties? They start fucking shoveling their face in the trash.

[16:32] So wait, you're telling me they have pig hearts? Whose idea was it to put a pig heart in another human being? There's a bunch of doctors, because apparently pig's hearts, for some reason, are similar in function to a human heart. Say that about a sheep's vagina. Don't they? [16:51] They do. I'm a farmer, but that's what I heard. That's what I heard, too. So, a pig's heart. Yeah. [16:59] And that's fucking that's fucking crazy. It's crazy. And so they did it on two people. [17:04] But either way, the whole thing of transplanting organs from other people is super risky and dangerous. And once it's working, the number of – we looked at heart transplants. I don't know what it is for lung, double lung transplants. But you look at mortality over a period of years. And so it's like 91% of the people survived the first year. [17:25] And then it starts going down. So 9% of the people die after the heart transplant. But then it starts to go down. That's for the first year. When it gets to five years, then you're in the 80s. [17:36] Or the 90s and then the 80s. And it keeps dipping. It keeps dipping until, like, at 10 years, it's like half of them are dead. Jesus. Yeah. So you're buying some time. Right. That's the heart, though. What about other organs? It's a good question. So what is it like for a double lung transplant? I don't know. But I would imagine it's fragile. You want to put that in the fucking red? You want to push that? Will you breathe in heavy? It felt like yesterday he was making laps around the hospital floor. Right. Yeah. And that's a dude. Well, he's a winner, right? And that's the problem.

[18:06] Yeah. [18:06] Like sometimes when you're a winner, your will is so strong that you think you could force your body into unrealistic expectations. There's got to be some agreement or something. Yeah. Like I just, in my mind too. I would hope so. [18:20] But Lyle's a good dude. I mean, basically, you cheated death. Yes. Your family now, you have your family back, you understand you have a second chance, but [18:28] Like why would you put that at risk to do something maybe him and blow nothing to prove to have like a friendly? What's kind of what our wrestling role? Friendly wrestling. I don't think I mean it was an animal. Yeah, and ask for fuck. I don't think that they have an agreement with each other I think did somebody told but now hey listen man don't push this dude Well, he said I'd like a song an interview where he said bro like his first question was I [18:54] What are you talking about? Can he wrestle? You know what I mean? Has he even been cleared? I would not accept that if I was Bilal. That's where I'm at. The pros don't go. And this is no disrespect to Askren. It's like I think that guy's an animal. Like I was one of the biggest promoters of trying to get Askren into the UFC when he was the champion of Bellator. And then when he went over to one. And the argument was like he was boring. And I was like, no, he's not boring. It's crazy that he could do this to these guys. Yeah. [19:24] Lima and just rag doll him to the ground and they can't do shit to him. Koroskov, remember he did it to him? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He wasn't boring at all. He was destroying guys. Rag dolling these guys. They had zero chance in him not taking them down. It was zero chance and it was beautiful. Right. It wasn't like Alex Pereira flying me and somebody in the face, but it's still another way to win. But it was like a man and a child. Yes. Yeah. It was crazy good. He was crazy good.

[19:50] And then we got him like a little late, right? We got him when he already had hip problems and he eventually had to get a hip replacement after he got out of the UFC. You know, he had already been 15 years in combat sports and then all the years of wrestling. But those days when he was running shit at Bellator, he was a motherfucker, dude. He was a motherfucker. [20:10] Fight Night is here. Title shots, debut killers, and the rising contender nobody's talking about yet, and only DraftKings has you covered every step of the way. The DraftKings app is now available in all 50 states and includes all markets, bringing the game straight to your fingertips wherever you are. No matter where you're watching, you're always connected and in the game with one [20:40] If Code Rogan, spend $5 to get $200 in rewards within 21 days. That's Code Rogan in partnership with DraftKings. The crown is yours. [21:10] bets that expire in seven days. Trade to get $50 in predictions dollars that expire in one year. Issued every seven days via click to claim for 21 days. One non-withdrawable reward redeemable. Predictions offer void in New York. Ends July 19th. Terms at dkng.co slash audio.

[21:25] His fight with Damian Maia was fucking awesome. Amazing fight. That's a great... The beautiful thing about that fight is... [21:32] They're both – it's almost like the closest thing to style versus style that we could have nowadays. Yeah. You know, they're both so – [21:39] Um... [21:40] brilliant at the way they use their art with him with his wrestling and him with the jiu-jitsu and in that fight you got you got to see some of that with ben you got to see the date downs you got to see an umapalata reversal uh and a leg lock ashi reversal i mean beautiful jiu-jitsu yeah it was just such a it was such a great fight dude damien maya got fucked harder than anybody ever got fucked by a referee's decision kamaru's yep ever right nobody got fucked harder than [22:10] We shouldn't even pull her name up. [22:14] I can't do my boys like that, man. I got to see them in a week. I want to think. I don't remember who it was. But I think it was a guy who doesn't do it in the UFC anymore. But he had him on his back, one hook in, over, under. He had gotten to a position where, like, you are fucked. You're dry. And you got the best back specialist in the UFC. Damian Meyer, the way he ran through Neil Magny, you're like, holy shit. [22:40] Man, his jujitsu is so high level. And for you to get off, get him off, and Kamaru's one loss? [22:49] Right, was to... Real naked choke. Yeah. Alex Cicero's his brother. So it's like, how many years ago was that? And now you're fighting Damian Maia and he's got your back. You're in danger. Yeah. You're in danger. And the referee separated him. So crazy. Never got to that spot again. Kamaru played it nice.

[23:03] He fought a great fight, won the fight, and you're like, damn, Damian had him. [23:07] He had him in a, like, not 9 out of 10, but he had him in like a 6 out of 10 spot for him. Yeah. Like, half the time, he gets your back and you're dry, and you're not at his level of jiu-jitsu. You're in fucking trouble. You should never separate anybody from that position. I know you're a big proponent of not standing people up, but especially positions that it requires time to get to. 100%. [23:30] 100% the idea that a guy can defend it for a few seconds in the crowd booze and that's enough for you to make them neutral again fuck you I know it's so hard to get to Kamaru yeah I know I know his back like that and the tightness is what keeps that position you know any space he makes and Kamaru's gone name the amount of times in the history of Kamaru's entire all the years of competition where people got him in disadvantageous grappling positions right [23:58] I can't think of many. Just very few. Very few. Leon took them down. Leon mounted them for a moment. Yeah. Yeah. [24:06] Chemaev. But even Chemaev, he was winning the third round. Oh, well, he... I thought he almost won that fight. That was a fight where I bet he was... He won the last half. But here he is. Here he is. This is crazy. [24:20] Oh, shit. [24:20] Do I need headshots? Who is that? Does it matter? I don't sell them. All right. [24:25] That sucks. So back it up again so you can see how good the position was a little further. Yeah, look at that hook. [24:30] Can you get it a little further back? [24:33] Yeah, so I want to see it like when he starts entangling. This is so bad for Kamaru. You have to understand how bad this is. Yeah, this is bad. This is not just simply he's like behind you. And Maya had the progression. Yeah. He was just about to beat that wizard. Bro, look how good this looks, too.

[24:51] Maya is just a gorilla. His wrestling was underestimated, too. He was a very good wrestler. He was technically a very good wrestler. [24:58] And his use of leverage and his positioning was always perfect. It just was so beautiful to watch. When you see a guy just super high-level jiu-jitsu in the UFC, you're just like, oh, my God, this is beautiful to watch. [25:12] Thank you. [25:14] Yeah, I love how methodical he's working his way into this. This is dangerous, man. Look at that. Oh, my gosh. He was going to step in there. Look at this. That arm is the only thing. And he's just about to beat that arm. And not only that, from here he could just start beating him up with the right hand, which he'll probably start doing. So if the referee really stands him up from this position. [25:35] Like, this is a crazy way to separate people. [25:39] This is bad, man. This is like, for Kamaru, this is super dangerous. He's still got half the round left. Hanging on to that whizzer for dear life is the only thing to keep him from getting this guy on your neck. He's not trying to trip. And that whizzer is like at 40% power now because look how far back it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not much into that. Yeah, there's not much. [25:58] It's hard. It's hard to generate power like that. I mean, he's got full double underhooks. [26:04] How do they break this up? How do you break this up? This is crazy to break up. Like, this is such a dangerous position. [26:12] Oh. [26:13] This is bad. I don't recognize the ref. [26:16] Yeah. I can't remember. I don't even know. I recognize. I'm not going to say his name. There's no need to. But this is a giant mistake. You're clear, Herb. Sometimes, in fights, man, these guys listen to the crowd. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's kind of hard not to, right? And they feel responsible. Yeah, they do. And in the organization, I'm sure they feel pressure because the organization wants, like, fast action fights. Oh, man.

[26:42] But there's certain situations where you've got to just accept the fact that sometimes this sport is not the most exciting for moments. Because it's so exciting in other spots. Punching his ass. Oh, that's crazy right there. Right after he punched him in the ass. That's fucking crazy. That's crazy. Oh, man. That's the worst fuck over that anybody's ever gotten in the UFC. Yeah. [27:01] I mean... [27:02] I think that's the worst. Yeah, that was bad. There is the time that fucking Bustamante had to get two. Lintland's funny. Twice. That's right. That's a pretty big fuck. That's who Meyer reminds me of. His striking wasn't as good as Murillo's, but the combination of wrestling and his jiu-jitsu, like once he got a hold of you, he was probably going to put you out. Yeah, Murillo was so good. He's still coming around. He's got a fighter in the UFC now. Nice. Does he? That's awesome. Yeah. I saw him when I first started jiu-jitsu at Carlson Gracie's place. Did you? [27:32] jiu-jitsu, it was like him, Vitor was there, Sergio Cohen, [27:39] Mario Sperry. It was crazy. They had a ridiculous room back then. Locked out. [27:45] And wound up watching these guys train when like Vitor was about to make his UFC debut. I was just starting out. I was like, this is amazing. See all them guys in there? Dude, they were all in there, man. You could just come in off the street and see the best jujitsu guys in the world training. That's crazy. It was crazy. And it was all, they were all fighting in, um, there was the other guy, what's his name? [28:06] Carlos Pajeto. That's right. Carlos Pajeto. He was there too. There was a bunch of those Carlson Gracie team guys there. We just got lucky that this was the place that was...

[28:16] Yeah, man. [28:19] Built like a He-Man figure. Carlson had some savages, man. He really had a great team. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty. Laborio back then. Oh, that's where I got my black belt from. Laborio. Hell yeah. He's a nice guy. Another guy to be proud of. He is a good guy. Such a nice guy. [28:34] Yeah, it's like – [28:36] It's kind of amazing when you realize that before 1993, jujitsu had no schools. Right? And now they're everywhere. Every corner. Isn't that nuts? That is really insane. That's truly insane. The Gracie family, the world owes them. [28:55] Yeah, no. The world owes them. The world, the whole world. The world is impacted. Like, think of the world. The world. The whole world. Yeah, everybody. Because I think liking MMA has impacted culture, and then people training, much more people training in jiu-jitsu has impacted culture. Hell yeah. Where the fuck would we be? Like, the UFC's here because of the Gracies as well. Yes. I mean, obviously, the fatigue is in Dana, but whose idea was it? Yeah, but Horian started the whole thing. He wanted to have a crocodile mode around. [29:25] Remember? It's amazing. I remember hearing about it in 1992 with Horian and Hoist, the seminar I went to, and they were talking about that. They were talking about the different ideas, what they were going to do. And even though I didn't think they were full of shit, I thought it was never going to happen. I'm like, what is this, Bloodsport? I go, on TV, they're going to be fighting. It sounded ridiculous. But now everybody's so used to it, it sounds ridiculous that it sounds ridiculous.

[29:55] When I first found out about it, I didn't watch it until it was UFC 2 because I only watched it on videotape. Like someone from the gym told me about it. And I went and watched it. I got the videotape, like Hollywood video, brought it home, and I was like, oh, my God, they did it. [30:09] They did. That's what I thought. So you were like, oh, Dave, pull this off. No, they did the thing that we always wanted. Oh, yeah. Style versus style. Yeah, I first started taking karate, and I thought karate was good until I stumbled into this really good taekwondo school. And I was like, oh, taekwondo is a shit. And then I started boxing. I'm like, oh, my God, I can't box. And then I started kickboxing. I'm like, oh, my God, you kick my legs? I didn't know you can kick my legs. It was terrible. And then I started doing jujitsu. I'm like, oh, my God, I'm helpless. So it's like all these steps along the way. [30:39] what style was real. And this is what Bruce Lee tried. Right. Bro, when I was starting out in like 88, doing Taekwondo, nobody knew nothing. Nobody knew what worked. Everybody just like, sorry, that guy beats people in that thing. And that guy beat, I wonder what would happen if they fought. No one knew. Right. And they thought wrestling was worthless. Grappling arts were worthless. But luckily, I learned it was not worthless in high school when I got my ass kicked. [31:03] Me too, man. I sat on a fucking wooden dummy to change. Why don't you punch my ass? [31:09] Well, that's all I know. And every time I can do a real scrap, I'd go back to my season of eighth grade wrestling. That's the case. But I also think that Wing Chun would work. [31:20] if you knew all the other, like Anderson Silva can use Wing Chun. Right. You know what I'm saying? A lot of hand trapping. Yeah, there's hand trapping and elbows from him. There's stuff that does work. If you know all the other shit, it's an added element. Right. It's like there's moves that you could do that your opponent's not going to, your opponent is used to this, right? They're used to punches, like regular punches. Every now and then, weird shit can work because they don't see it coming, and then it opens up other big shots.

[31:50] really good ones, like whack at each other's arms and shit, you're like, okay, there's like a little value in this. Yeah. There's a little value in getting good at this. As long as you know how to actually punch. Yeah, I don't dismiss nothing, because anything can work in the right context. It's just not going to work on Terrence Crawford. Sure, yeah. Not a boxing match against Terrence Crawford. It's not going to work. Nothing again. What is working against him anyway? Fucking not much. No one has figured that out. Not much. No one has figured that out. Not much. [32:20] as value [32:22] I'd say very little value. Very little. It's only valuable if you're already doing the other stuff. Yeah, if you're going to do that, you might as well be doing Muay Thai, Western boxing, or jiu-jitsu. No, no, for sure. By itself, useless. But what I think is if you already are doing other stuff and you could train with a guy who can show you some of it, I think you would be like, oh, I see value in this. Do you remember when Dan Henderson was fighting Hector Lombard and he hit him with a back elbow standing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. [32:52] Back forearm. It was an elbow or a forearm? It was an elbow. Yeah, I think he like thought punching cane back. Just wild shit sometimes. You ever see people do standing back fists sometimes and they work? There's some shit that we're missing. Yeah. And I think Wing Chun is a part of it. [33:06] Yeah, I agree with that. Especially when you're in close, in cleansing positions. Yeah, that's what I think. You're just trapping hands. Bam, bam. You know what I think is the number one thing that people should be doing? The number one thing that people should be doing is point fighting karate.

[33:22] You want to add something? I mean, obviously not number one over wrestling and all that, but the number one thing to add? Don't add Wing Chun. Add point fighting karate. But it's such a physical thing that a lot of people probably can't do. [33:36] wrestling background, where you're so used to being heavy and square, to be able to turn sideways and jump in and out like that. But if you can do it, that advantage is so huge. When you watch MVP when he's in his fucking prime. That's so funny. The Shara Bullet, the [33:53] Yeah, but the thing about – yeah, back elbow. Crazy. What a beautiful elbow. From a wrestling position. [34:01] Yeah. Let me see that again. [34:03] How did he land it? So, yeah, he had his leg. Look at that. He's holding his leg. Look at this. [34:08] And he catches it. Look at the fucking elbow. Oh, son. Right behind it here, too. Fantastic. What a fucking elbow. That's one of the greatest elbows of all time. Underappreciated elbow right there. Yeah, that guy. To get a knockout elbow while you're hopping on one leg? Yeah, that's crazy. Fighting off the takedown? Yeah. [34:25] That was-- [34:26] Nasty. Nasty. It wasn't Wayne Chung. But what I was getting to is these guys, like MVP, that advantage is so huge. [34:34] The advantage of being Wonderboy in his prime, bro, that advantage is so nuts. Well, so I watch videos of people doing it online. I'm like, if you could do that in an MMA fight, no one will catch you. Right. You'll be in and out before they catch you. You know who's the closest to it? [34:49] Cyril Gaon. It's true. Cyril Gaon is not a point-fighting karate guy. He's a Muay Thai. But he's a basketball player. We were talking about this the other day. What better sport to develop plyometrics and the ability to change direction than basketball? You're constantly changing direction. And they're big men. Then why can't basketball players fight? They're the worst fighters on the planet. Because they don't train. That's true. Just because they don't train. But Cyril Gaon, you look at the way he moves. He moves like a basketball player can move. But he's 250 pounds and he's a heavyweight.

[35:19] strike. Yeah, I remember I used to train Walt Harris, who was a pretty good basketball player, and I used to always try to tell him, man, it's the same thing. Your pivots are the same. You got to be able to move, change directions. It's the same thing. But as a heavyweight, it also comes with being lazy. Those guys are just lazy. Well, it's harder to do. Hey, fuck you, Dean. [35:40] It's harder to move all that weight, right? A message from the beer store. Alcohol containers purchased in Ontario subject to deposit can be returned to the beer store [35:49] Authorized empties return locations for a full deposit refund. Well, the legal was the ad, so now I've got to make this quick. Return your empties, reclaim your deposit. Learn more at thebeerstore.ca. [35:58] My name is Peter Parker, but I'm also Spider-Man. This July, we're faced with a threat. That can be anyone. The world may have forgotten Peter Parker. I'm just a neighbor, friendly neighbor. But he hasn't forgotten them. Sometimes Spider-Man has to do the hard thing. That's my responsibility. Dr. Banner? I didn't know you could get that big. Spider-Man, brand new day in theaters July 31st. [36:26] Thank you. [36:28] It's hard to get a 248-pound guy to move like Cyril Ghosn. There's not a whole lot of them. We were just talking about it the other day. I think it's an underappreciated thing because we're used to lighter weight fighters moving like that. But I'm like, name one. Name one guy at heavyweight who moves like that. You know who used to? Who? You know who used to? It was the dark horse of the heavyweight division. Travis fucking Brown. When Travis Brown was in his prime, he was a bad motherfucker, dude. And he moved light. He was a big, tall dude, and he moved light.

[36:58] He just had some wars and they'd take their toll on you. But if you go back to Travis Brown in his heyday when he was knocking people out with those elbows from the clinch and the way he would move, he would move super light on his feet, bouncing around. And I think it was because he played basketball. [37:18] It's got to be it. 100% it makes sense. [37:21] Because I know Travis played basketball. Yeah. [37:23] When you get a big athlete that's light on their feet, that's a giant advantage. Yeah, it is. Because you only need one entrance that you didn't anticipate when you get popped and now you're compromised. And getting that first step and being able to get a clean shot. [37:38] Dude, those karate point guys, I've only fought a couple of karate point fights when I was a kid, when I was doing Taekwondo tournaments, we'd enter into them, and I fought this one guy that was like, his name was Mafia Holloway, he was like a champion. [37:50] I couldn't even touch him. I couldn't even get close to him. His first name was Mafia? Mafia Holloway. He was a very famous, I don't know if it was his real name, but that's what his name was back in the day. He was like a well-known black belt point fighting champion. I couldn't even touch him. I was like, Jesus, we're playing totally different games. I'm playing a continuous fighting game, which where you fight in Taekwondo for a certain amount of minutes, and he's playing this thing where you stop every time they hit you. [38:13] And so you can't hit him and he keeps hitting you. Yeah. And it's just stop, stop, stop, stop. It's like, whoa. It's so frustrating. But I remember leaving going, oh, I need to learn that. Like, that's crazy. I didn't know you could move that quick and just jump out of there.

[38:28] the way he's doing it. And I'm like, and you think about these guys that fight him, like Kevin Holland that fight MVP. After a while, they're like, what the fuck is this? Yeah, for real. He was in his corner saying that. Like, I can't hit him. He's quicker than I thought. What am I doing here? This is nuts. [38:43] You just can't do anything to him, and he's styling on you. Yeah, that's why when I trained Tyron to fight a... [38:49] Steven Thompson Wonderboy we did so I was I knew the mistake that everybody was making they were using just regular tall kickboxers I went to karate schools and we got just karate kids did did that yeah and the spar with [39:05] Don't worry about takedowns. We don't even need to get there just be able to deal with this movement and his length and being able to deal with that because it's different and [39:14] What is this? Mafia Holloway. [39:16] Oh, shit. Yeah. He's got a crazy kick here. Dude was very good. He was very good. [39:22] He didn't get me with that. [39:25] He got me with a couple of sidekicks to the body, though. I'll tell you that. I was very impressed. [39:29] I was impressed by the speed in which he was able to move forward and back. Because that darting in and just tagging each other's speed is a totally different speed than continuous fighting speed. Because continuous fighting speed, you would assume that if the guy's hitting you, that you're going to counter and you're going to exchange. And what these guys are used to is you never exchange. They just pop you. They pop you and they get the fuck out of there. And that's an asset in MMA. Giant asset. Because you can just knock somebody out. That's it. Giant asset.

[39:59] If you try to play their game, you should just try to play their game just to realize how hard it is. And you're like, oh, this is a different thing. This is all about the blitz. It's all about the entry. They switch stances at will, too. At will. Yeah. At will. But I think all the good guys do now. I think that's going to be a prerequisite. There's too many calf kickers out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've got to be able to switch. [40:20] Do you guys watch one? You watch kickboxing in one? Did you see Jonathan Haggerty and Yuki Yosa? Uh, [40:28] It wasn't good for Haggerty, was it? No, he won. He figured him out. Haggerty was... Oh, he's the guy that beat that dude that was wrecking everybody. He's an elbow guy. That's right. Well, he's just a full-on Muay Thai guy, but he beat him by continuous movement and switching stances. Oh, right. Yeah. I think I checked the video on our group. I did see that. [40:49] It was a really technical fight. For sure. Like, if you really like striking, it's a really technical fight. [40:58] switching stances and moving and then catching them in exchanges. And, dude, it was fucking beautiful because he was a – [41:05] crushes everybody's legs. It was really sweet. Yeah, he just kept switching stances. Just kept switching stances and [41:11] He did a lot of great boxing from the outside, too. Yeah, dude. It was just... But he never gave him the same look. See that? Look at that. [41:19] And then knees to the body. A lot of knees to the body. It was beautiful. Brilliant fight. [41:24] I was just... [41:25] chatting with him on Instagram. I'm going to try to get him on. Nice. Bring him to America. Like, this is what Zufa should be promoting.

[41:32] You know, I mean, I know they love boxing. That's awesome. I'm glad they're doing that. But, you know... [41:37] This is it. Yeah. If you want another thing that's really exciting, it's striking. Just have only Muay Thai. I'm just surprised they haven't done that. It doesn't make any sense. It really doesn't. Because that's what everybody likes to watch anyway, really. Yeah, that's what everybody likes to do. Dana said to me, I don't know if he changed his opinion, but he said to me that people don't like kickboxing because they think of like PKA karate from ESPN from like the 1980s. I'm like... [42:00] That's old people. I don't even know what that is. That's old people. Young people love martial arts. Like, young people love knockouts. Young people boo when fights go to the ground. They do. MMA is the best. No doubt about it. It's the greatest sport of all time. It's the champion of sports. However, if you're going to have some value in another combat sport, it's Muay Thai. It's the most exciting shit. You can do the most options. You can knee. They can throw each other. [42:30] kicking. You think Rico Verhoeven's boxing success will bring some eyes to kickboxing? I hope so. I'm having him on, too. I hope so. That was incredible. He's really phenomenal. I mean, dude, for 10 rounds, he really... He was into the point where if you're good judges, if the judges are real, he... Usyk needs a knockout twin. A thousand percent. Which is crazy. I thought he was up by 8-1 or 2 at the time. I thought the same. A lot of people thought the same. [43:00] bullying him around. Yeah, he used his weight well. He joked on himself, and it was phenomenal. Because he put my style against Usyk, and it was...

[43:10] Jim Carrey and that fucking, what's the one where he comes boxing at the guys? It all would look like it, too. It was fucking phenomenal. But, man, he really did amazing. I personally think if they rematch that now Usyk... [43:24] We'll kind of figure them out, so maybe it'll get them faster. Look, I hope not, because I was rooting for Rico. If they rematch, Rico was going to know that he can do that. Before that fight, he didn't know he could do that. [43:37] And Usyk didn't know he could do that. And the difference is Usyk is not a real heavyweight. [43:41] He's the greatest heavyweight of all time, which is crazy, but he's not a real heavyweight. Right. You can't say the—Tyson, in my opinion, is always going to be my favorite in his prime. Yeah. He was just so insane. It was so insane to watch him just demolish the whole division. For real. But then you look at Cassius Clay, and then when he was Muhammad Ali, and Larry Holmes doesn't get his due, and Lennox Lewis was a fucking beast. Yeah. [44:02] so maybe you know who knows who would have fought but [44:05] That guy stylistically is like the greatest heavyweight ever. Like watching him move the way he – Yeah, like skill for skill when you look for skill. You're watching an artist. Yeah. It's like the way he put it on Dubois. Yeah. Oh, my God. [44:19] He's incredible, but he's still really a 220-pound guy. Yeah. You know? Like, he puts on some extra weight. He was a little thicker for that fight. But... [44:28] you know, [44:30] Rico's huge. [44:32] Rico's a giant guy from the Netherlands. Is that where he's from? That's a real heavyweight man. Another Dutch kickboxer. They're all giants. They're all tough as shit, too. What is he, like 6'5", 270? He's huge. 260?

[44:46] He's got crazy cardio, too, for a big, giant guy. He was bouncing on. I mean, he was, for 10 rounds, he kept that pace. That's a heavyweight keeping that pace. And then once he slowed, you know, that's when Usyk was able to find him. Did you watch it, Matt? I can't watch. I have a hard time watching anything but fucking... [45:04] Mixed martial arts. I love Jiu-Jitsu. And Star Wars. I love Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah, well, you know, Star Wars. I saw the new He-Man movie, by the way. How was it? It was fucking good. Really? The Masters of the Universe was good. I was worried. I was worried. [45:19] Because I'm thinking Ellen Neumann. [45:21] reboots and this and that, I go, is it going to be too woke? Is it going to be this? It was fucking fun. It had a Thor Ragnarok type feel where it's just... [45:31] kind of fun and a little goofy, but not [45:34] to the point where it just takes you out of it. You know what it is? I grew up with that He-Man. That was my kid around our age, right? Yeah, right. So, [45:44] It did justice to that. It made it fun. I heard Skeletor was awesome. Yeah, Jared Leto. I heard there was some sort of crazy... He wasn't allowed to do interviews. He wasn't allowed to talk to the rest of the cast. Why? Because they were worried he was going to do nutty shit. In the Joker, he was sending people dead rats in the mail. Oh, really? Because he was in character. That's wild. So they were like, yeah, you're going to be an evil fucking Skeletor guy? No. [46:14] I can't let you be in character. I can't contact the rest of the crew. I don't know if that's true. That's what I heard, but it was fun.

[46:19] See if that's true. [46:20] No, I heard that too. I heard Will Smith said something about that. Yeah, I thought somebody said that. I know he definitely did that with the Joker. He said that like a rat or something. Yes. When he was the Joker, yeah. Yeah. He said, I know you're playing the Joker, but come on with the rat. Yeah, yeah. You would chill out. There's some dudes that play the Joker and you're like, all right, it's over. Hey, I heard. When Heath Ledger played the Joker, everybody stop. Stop. [46:41] Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't come back after that. Until Joaquin. [46:45] Joaquin Phoenix. Yeah, he's a great... I saw that, I was like, okay, now that's the Joker. Yeah, and then you saw the sequel and you said, fuck that, bring that. I didn't see the sequel. Tim Dillon told me it was the worst movie that's ever been made. Everybody said that. [47:00] I didn't see it neither. I didn't make it. I didn't watch it. If I was guessing... [47:05] He probably didn't want to do it. I don't know what they were thinking. I bet it was like a dispute between the movie company and the dude... [47:14] I heard it was a musical. Who directed it. Why would you do that? It's so much. Unless you're trying to mock it or you're trying to diffuse it. Maybe the government was like, hey, after you released that movie, we had the BLM riots and everybody was lighting L.A. on fire. Hey, maybe don't have a movie where you're encouraging. [47:29] people to light cities on fire. Maybe make a musical.

[47:41] I mean, sequels aren't normally as good as the original, but holy fuck. I've never seen something so bad. I didn't make it through it. [47:49] I saw some of it. Then I'm like, once they started singing, I'm like, I'm out of this motherfucker. It's very rare where a sequel, you're like, damn, that's just as good. Well, Terminator 2, Empire Strikes Back. Those are a couple. Those are a couple. Rocky 2. [48:04] You didn't like Rocky, too? John Wick, too. I liked it. He's pretty fucking good. He was, obviously. Why did he take it to the zoo in the beginning? Why? I never can get over that. I like the zoo. [48:15] Go go stare at the giraffe. The whole joke was that mean bodyguard saying, take it to the zoo. The retards like the zoo. And then he takes her to the fucking zoo to propose to her. Is that not crazy? Yeah, that is. But that's how people were in the 70s. They were animals. They were animals. [48:31] Thank you. [48:32] But he's basically just saying, all right, you're right. People are animals before the internet. Man, are you still doing movie reviews on your... [48:39] channel. [48:40] Oh, you're trying to plug my channel? No, I'm taking that. Give me something. I love it. No, no, no. You want to talk about that? We'll be going to talk about that. No, because like when... Hey, you know what I'm watching on there? I do. I do series reactions or movies reactions. Are you watching the new House of Dragons? No. I haven't saw it yet. There's too many things to watch. Let me tell you something. I'm fucked. I'm in the middle of From. I want to talk to you about that, too. My wife's made it From. You know what? Don't tell me why. It might be a spoiler. [49:10] Season four, episode five, I think. I think four or five. How many seasons is it? Five? There's only four. Four. And then the fifth one is the final season. It doesn't come out until 2027, so don't tell me. All right, all right. Hey, House of Dragon. Now, look, I love Game of Thrones. The Knight of the Seven Kingdoms was phenomenal. And House of Dragon, out of all of them, is the one I like the least because it's a lot of just gloom and doom. All the characters are pricks. They're all a bunch of fucking wacky-duggy-wings. Yeah, there's no one to like. Exactly. No one's noble.

[49:40] third season is fucking... I watch... Yeah, I do the reactions on my channel. Thanks, Dean. What is the channel? The Matt Sarah channel on YouTube? Oh, look at this. He's contemplating. Oh, that's me! [49:54] He's contemplating. You know what this is? House of the Dragons. No, no. Do you ever see Mystery Science Theater? This is like my Mystery Science Theater. Yeah, well, they show the fact that you're the former UFC welterweight champion of the world, and you're sitting there with the headphones on. [50:10] This is what I think about House of Dragons. I thought you'd be selling. You didn't have to do that. That's 200 milligrams of edibles right there. It's 55 milligrams. You know what scene I really love? When they were trying to find Targaryens, because the Targaryens had a bunch of bastard children. They were trying to see who's a Targaryen, so they put people out with the dragons. I was burning them up. The prior seasons had some good scenes like that. But this season, I just watched three of them so far. I'll get in on it. [50:40] one of them is, it's nothing but fighting now. [50:43] It's nothing about going at it. Let's go. And it's fucking good. Yeah, it's good. I mean, I watched the whole season, all the episodes of Game of Thrones recently. You went back and started again? Went back, yeah. We watched it for like four or five months. Watched every one of them. And when you watch it like every couple nights a week, like two, three nights a week when you're watching it, it's like you just like you follow. You don't have to wait like years in between seasons. It's incredible. It's better that way.

[51:13] world. I tell people that all the time. I'm like, you've got to watch it. So good, dude. For sure. I forgot how good it was. And even though it's 10 years old, special effects are perfect. Yeah, for sure. I'm going to say something I never said in my life. There's a new book I'm reading. What? [51:29] Hey, guys. Hold on. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Is it audible? Is it a new book I'm reading? Is it a graphic novel? Son of a bitch. No, it's not. It is. And all right. I've got to be honest. I'm listening to the audio book. [51:43] I hate when people say they're reading a book when they really listen to the audio book. Bro, Donald Rollins gave me so much shit about that. He's like, how are you reading when you just listen? Well, that's what I'm doing. I'm just trying to abbreviate it. Yes, I listened to an audio book. Sorry. I didn't sit down and read it. [51:59] Red Rising. Have you ever heard of this? No. Well, you're going to document this episode because sooner or later someone's going to pick it up and it's going to become either an Amazon series or a movie. One of my black belts, Jedi Joey Beans, told me about this ages ago. What a great name. Jedi Joey Beans. Oh, Joey Beans is a savage. Jedi Joey Beans is a fucking great name. He's great. [52:23] But he likes all the shit I'm into, so he told me about this. I'm going to write it down. What is it called again? Red Rising. All right. [52:30] That's it. And I'll tell you, I don't know how many books there are, but I'm listening to the first one. And I'm like more than halfway through. And it's what's it about? [52:39] uh... [52:41] Set and future on Mars. [52:43] Red Rising is a 2014 dystopian science fiction novel. You guys are a bunch of fucking boys. First of all. You guys are a bunch of fucking. This is why I got to come off. My short friend took the short bus. In the first book. Telling us he's reading and dystopian comes out. Somebody else read it.

[53:11] Bunch of pricks. [53:13] This is a great book. This is a great book. And I like getting into something new. Well, how long is the book? Matt, that's regular coffee. This is a coffee. If you want coffee coffee. You don't want it. Unless you want a little baby. [53:26] I was trying to figure out what you're going to do with that. I didn't know what I was doing. I'm a caffeine freak. I'm down for that. I'm down for that. Yeah, the Red Rising, man, that was really good. Pass me that. Pass me that coffee, man. It's like Game of Thrones in space. Ooh, I'm in. I'm in. Oh, you know what I started watching? Because of you guys. [53:44] That Battlestar Galactica. Yes. Fucking great. I'm like, I'm only on the first season. There's like 20 episodes a season. I'm like 10 in right now. Yeah, that was the Sci-Fi Channel. Bro, that show was so underrated. So underrated. Like, to this day, if you go back and watch Battlestar Galactica, the entire series, it's fucking incredible. Very good. The new one. Not the old one. Not the one. The 70s. The original. By York, man. Yeah. That's right. Here's what I'm going to recommend. You can watch it with your wife or by yourself, whatever you want to do. [54:14] What's that? You want to say porn? That's always good. I thought he was going to say porn. I thought he was going to say porn. We'll buy stuff. Widow's Bay. Widow's Bay. Oh! What is that? Apple TV comes out with some fucking bangers. Bangers! Silos is another great one. But Widow's Bay is... [54:31] It's very rare. It's about an island that's kind of cursed. And a mayor is trying to get it to become like the next fucking Martha's Vineyard or whatever that is. And, you know, this is it. Oh, that guy. That guy was in The Beast Within. This is great. Bro, that guy's in another great fucking series that also might be Apple.

[54:50] It might be. It's very rare that something... I don't like... Like my family's a bunch of ghouls, except for my oldest. They like all the horror shit. I'm not into it. But it's very rare. I like spooky shit. So it's like spooky... [55:02] But it's fucking funny. It's got like a quirky type humor to it. And I was fucking dying. I was like, the beast in me is another one. It was what was it on? [55:14] Netflix it's on Netflix. It's still on Netflix. It's a series and it's about an author and this fucking psychotic guy that I [55:22] is a rich guy who lives in her neighborhood. I don't want to tell you any more than that. It's a movie? Yeah, I saw that. Claire Danes and that guy, Matthew. You watch that show? I didn't watch it. I didn't watch it. Is it good? Good. Claire Danes can act her ass off. This summer, soccer is here, and the watch parties will be going back to back to back. But don't worry. Uber Eats has your game day essentials covered. All the snacks and groceries to keep your crowd happy, [55:52] dips, wings, guac, and fresh ingredients for the perfect game day spread. Order in so you can stay locked in on the game. All the hosting, none of the hassle. Order in so you can lock in for the games. Only on Uber Eats for a limited time. Terms apply. See app for details. You'd never know if she was lying to you. Right? You'd have no idea. There's no way you're going to tell. The lip quiver. Well, she could lie her ass off.

[56:22] fantastic on that. It got 98% on Rotten Tomatoes. That's how good it is. It's a great show. [56:28] The Beast in Me. Yeah, there's too much shit to watch. There's so much shit. I just started The Pit, and I'm late on that. What's The Pit? [56:34] About the ER room in Pittsburgh. Oh. She plays a doctor in the ER room. It's really good, though. Okay. [56:42] There's some I'm into for a while, then I just fucking fall off. I've never heard of it. There's too many shows. Yeah. I did that with Landman. After a while, I'm just like... New season of Landman's good. I don't give a shit about the slutty wife and the daughter's annoying me. Oh, I love it. She's my favorite. She plays the stripper wife well. After a while, it's just like, all right. They get to some interesting shit with the cartels after them. And then they're like, oh, let's take the seniors out to the strip joint. It's like, oh, I don't know. [57:12] There you go. Oh, the wife's being outrageous again. I mean, it's so true. I mean, I don't got my ADD. I can't take it. That's funny. Now, that was my problem with it, too. I thought that the women were like caricatures of women. Yeah, come on, man. [57:26] And who's cheering their daughter on basically to be a hoe? I want to know. I was kind of like, oh, this is a bit too much. I have a question, though, if you guys all seen it. Why do they live together? Like the other lawyer, why do they all live with Billy Bob Thornton and his family? That's a plot point. Yeah. There's no other reason why. Because there's only one house on the ranch or something. Oh, because I'm just like. And they all have to live in the one house. It's his office and his home, basically. Yeah, it's his office and his home.

[57:56] It makes it fun, but isn't he making a lot of money? Shouldn't all of them be making a lot of money? Yeah, you would think his lawyer would be making big bank. Well, now he's got to be making money because now he's running the company. Spoiler alert. Right, right. So he's making more money? Yeah, he's making sure they're eating their vegetables. [58:13] And that bitch gets mad about anything. I love Billy Bob, though. Billy Bob and that show is so good. He makes the show. [58:22] He is the show. Taylor said that he wouldn't have even made the show if it wasn't for Billy. [58:26] he went to Billy with the idea he made the show Andy Garcia was good in it too he's great in everything you ever see Things to Do in Denver when you're dead? Longo loves that movie I hate that movie I never made it through Longo loves that movie I'm with you Ray Longo loves it I can never make it through it I haven't seen it in decades [58:54] But when I saw it, I loved it. But the problem is sometimes you go back and you try to watch one of those movies. And you're like, whoa, what? Oh, man, what was I thinking? What the fuck was wrong with me? This movie sucks. A fat one. There's a bunch of movies like that. You try to watch them. They're terrible. Yeah. [59:09] Sometimes it's just better off remembering how good they used to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the impact. You were just a more naive person before the internet. Yeah, true. I watched one of the worst movies that was so fucking good that it was bad. It was Rowdy Piper. Yes.

[59:38] Hell Comes to Frogstown. Now it's a combination of... [59:45] say, like Mad Max, like a post-apocalyptic thing, and Escape from New York, where in the future... [59:52] Rowdy, Roddy, is the only guy... [59:56] who's not. [59:57] fucking sterile everybody else sterile so I am sure but it's chasing them for it so they have to like it starts off when he's in like a fucking generals he's in like a room because he got caught with the generals daughter and fucking they put up they put a um a [1:00:12] a jockstrap on him with explosives. And he has to... Oh, my God. He has to... We're talking to a frog. Yeah, oh, yeah. So his mission is to go to his frogstown... [1:00:26] And there's a harem there, and he's got to impregnate everybody. Or else they're going to fucking blow him up. Sounds like a horrible job. It is. It's crazy. This movie. [1:00:37] What a silly movie. Oh, yeah. No, no. Oh, my God. You can't unsee it. So he comes to Frogtown? This is amazing. He cut out halfway through things to do in Denver when you're dead. Oh, I would have to say that. But he's in for Frogtown. Yeah, but I agree. With this, you know what you're getting into. [1:00:56] cool. [1:00:58] You know, it's like, this is just silly. How did you even find this and then sit down and watch the whole thing? This is the thing. Well, you know, it's well documented about my ass problems. So sometimes I spend a lot of time on the throne and I got my iPad. So I go to Prime Video and it's almost like when I was little, like I used to go through the channels and I'm like up all night. I'd find something wacky. So I look for weird or different movies and that's one of them.

[1:01:24] And it just brought me right in. I watched that whole... In two shits, I watched that whole fucking movie. What was the one when he was an alien? That's a crazy amount of time. Was it called They? Or whatever? Oh, I'm on the toilet a long time. [1:01:40] It's crazy to shit for two hours, you're saying? A little. Well, not for two hours. The budget for this movie was double what that movie Obsession was that just came out. My wife said that movie was great. So the budget was $1.5 million back then in 1988. Wow. So was this a small release? Yeah, it has to be. Who made this movie? What was the company that made it? New World. [1:02:04] Maybe they sold it to New World. [1:02:06] I don't know how that shit works. Was this before or after They Live? Well, They Live was good. They Live ruled. That's what I'm saying. Maybe they bankrolled it. But I bet if he tried to watch Return to Frogtown was released on 93. He wasn't in that. Direct to VHS. Bro, before even DVD, they're like, no, fuck this. Straight to tape. Now, listen, everybody, don't go watching this and cursing me. I mean, you've got to know what you're getting into. It's exactly what it looks like. [1:02:36] Two out of five stars. How dare they? DVD talk said three. But I'll tell you, he's hysterical in it. He's fucking... He's funny. I bet if we watched They Live right now, we wouldn't like it. [1:02:48] I bet we'd be like, oh, this movie's whack. I don't know. It's still pretty funny if you want. Is it good? I think. When was the last time you saw it? I mean, it's one of those movies when you're flipping around if it's on. Because him and the, who's the, what's the?

[1:02:58] His guy's name, remember they had basically a wrestling match in the fucking alley. They were suplexing each other and everything. The black guy from Men at Work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's movies from like the 80s and the 90s. There it is. [1:03:09] There's movies from the 80s and the 90s that become comedies. [1:03:13] This is a comedy right here. But this is kind of a comedy. This is like a little tongue-in-cheek, but then there's stuff like Roadhouse. [1:03:20] Right. Roadhouse is a comedy now. Right, for sure. Roadhouse is such a bad movie. It's so bad. It's so insanely bad. The bad guy's bad. The writing's bad. Everything's bad except for Patrick Swayze's hair. That's amazing. It was appropriate at the time. Everything was cheesy. We were dumb. People were dumb back then. That's what I think. [1:03:44] I think we were dumb. Miami Vice, you know? No internet. People were stupid. It's true. Yeah. We were only exposed to what we were exposed to in your area. Yeah, we thought... [1:03:54] That's a solid movie. You should go see Roadhouse. I'll tell you what. That's a good guy. You're going to root for him. [1:04:00] yeah he's complicated but he's tough he's quiet he likes poetry he fucks people up and he says pain don't hurt pain don't hurt the karate scenes are so bad like everything is so it's so fake it's so dumb looking but it's still awesome they brought sam elliott in his backup had an 80 year old backup but dude clearly could barely walk he's like ko and guys left and right that's it

[1:04:30] Every time you see Sam Elliott in a movie, you're like, yes. [1:04:34] I think the bad guys, didn't he tell... [1:04:37] Uh... [1:04:39] Patrick, what's his name that he was going to fuck? That he used to fuck guys like I'm in prison? Yes. Yes. Sam L.A., that's the one who played Landman's father, right? [1:04:47] Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He's awesome. He's always good. Always. Always. In everything. He's a real-life Marlboro, man. Exactly. Yeah. He's great in everything. Yeah, that movie was so bad. [1:04:59] But the thing is, back then, it wasn't. Yeah, everything in the 80s was bad. Bro. TV shows were insane. You watch them, you're like, what were they doing? Yeah. Trying to brainwash America. Roger Ebert's review is that this is right on the edge of a good, bad movie and merely the bad. [1:05:14] It's not a good movie. Well, he's right. [1:05:17] movie but viewing the right frame of mind it's not a boring one either ah that's the thing gene siskel was less complimentary calling it outrageous in terms of its cartoon-like plotting and dialogue and lamenting swayze's mindless posturing a young star has sold himself to become a pin-up boy someone sounds a little jelly come on someone sounds a little jelly that sounds a little jelly to me acting it's called the it's called getting paid yeah i made a movie and thought it was going [1:05:47] move on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? It's a cult classic. To this day, people are still talking about it. Bro, basically every actor that's ever lived has been in a cup of lemons. [1:05:56] Of course. That's part of the process. Except maybe Daniel Day-Lewis. [1:06:00] He's probably a little bit more selective. Maybe that Lincoln one. A lot of people didn't watch that Lincoln one.

[1:06:06] That might be the only one. [1:06:07] I don't know anybody who raves about the Lincoln movie. Right. [1:06:12] What about the vampire hunter Abraham Lincoln? That was crazy. Who was in that? Did anybody see that? I never saw that. It sounds like something. No. Abraham Lincoln vampire hunter is crazy. That should have been made in the 80s. [1:06:26] No. There should have been. It should have been. It should have been made in the 80s. Yeah. It's like a comic book. Did anybody see that? That sounds like a Marvel comic. Yeah. I haven't seen it. I didn't see it either. It sounds like something I would watch. It sounds like something I would recommend. It's funny. Was it good? The vampire hunter thing? Yeah, it was like... Vampire hunter? To me, it was like a comedy thing. I might have seen it and forgotten about it. Yeah. I don't even remember if I saw it. I mean... [1:06:48] You get high enough when you watch the movies. They're cool, but you don't really remember details all the time. So, you know, you know what I'm looking forward to? That new werewolf movie. Edgar's got the same guy that did Nosferado. He's doing a werewolf. They just released a trailer. Did they? What's it called? [1:07:05] Werewolf. Yeah, werewolf. It's spelled weird, but it's basically a werewolf. Oh, shit. Where does it take place? I don't know. Some foreign country. You can hear them speaking some strange language. Give me some volume. Oh, I want to see that. [1:07:21] That looks pretty wild. Robert Eggers is in the shit. [1:07:25] Oh, Christmas? How was the vampire? That's a weird Christmas. It should be a Halloween release. How was the vampire one? Fuck yeah, it was awesome. You think I like it? Yeah. [1:07:35] Thank you. [1:07:35] It's just, I don't know. It's good, dude. It is? I think it's the best vampire movie of all time.

[1:07:41] I think interview with a vampire yeah yeah that's right - yeah I think Nosferatu is the best vampire movie of all time is my opinion I think it's the best it's like I've seen a bunch of them Gary Oldman one was amazing that was a great that's right oh yeah that was a good house that's still great but man there's something about [1:08:00] Eggers Nosferados like it's more terrifying than all of them you like you [1:08:05] It's just something that's more hypnotic. Like, he's got powers over people. Like, it's weird the way he influences people. It's, like, it's creepy. Yeah, like, the way that looks shot, like... I see what you're saying. You didn't see the nose, Marano? No, I didn't see it. Show me a scene where they're... When he's making them sign the contract. [1:08:22] There's a scene where the dude has to go to his house and he doesn't know, spoiler alert, like what contract he's signing because he's signing it in a language that he doesn't know to sell a house to this person. [1:08:34] Prince that lives in Romania. And he goes to visit this guy. It's the creepiest fucking scene ever. And this is the first scene where you, like, see him. And you slowly get revealed, like, what he is. Yeah. The best vampire movie of all time. [1:08:47] Really? All right. [1:08:48] You'll love it. I'm going to watch it. It's so well done. I'm going to watch it with my mind. [1:08:53] A solicitor. [1:08:57] They'll care less than me. [1:08:59] my lord [1:09:02] The language of my forefather, son. [1:09:07] Thank you. [1:09:08] Mmm. [1:09:10] Of course.

[1:09:11] *Made and Stalken are high-seeing* [1:09:16] Your bride. [1:09:19] - What's your self? - Yes. [1:09:22] We lie. [1:09:28] He wants to look at the bride? Well, he wants this guy's wife. This is this whole contract. This is what this whole thing is about of him going to this guy's town and buying a house there from him. Like this, it really just wants this guy's wife. He's like eternally connected to her. [1:09:43] Oh... [1:09:45] It's creepy as fuck, dude. Oh, shit! Oh, I gotta watch this. Oh! Yeah. It's good. I gotta watch this. Best vampire movie. Is it? I gotta watch this. Ever. Yeah. Some people disagree. That's fine. My opinion. [1:09:59] You ever seen Lost Boys? That was good. That was fun, though. I bet if you watched it today, you'd be like, what? Yeah, you'd be like, yo, this is corny as shit. [1:10:08] John Rollo with long hair, I still believe. With the fucking sacrophobe. Is that you, Rollo? With the fucking wig. There's a Broadway show for it now. [1:10:20] Lost Boys, the Broadway show? Oh, my God. Dude, first of all, boo Broadway. I saw Spider-Man. I saw Spider-Man. I saw Rocky, two things I love. [1:10:32] It's like going to see a Spider-Man movie with the worst special effects ever. All of a sudden there's a guy swinging, and everybody's like, oh. I go, dude, really? Show me the one with Macy Barber in it. Not Macy Barber. Marcy Barber? Macy Barber's a fighter. Who's the black girl that used to sing? Macy Gray.

[1:10:52] Macy Gray. 100 milligrams. Yep. [1:10:58] I was going to see it last night. There's a Rocky play? It was fucking horrendous. [1:11:03] Do they box? Do they pull a ring out and everything? Yeah, it's fucking awful. Wow. [1:11:10] It's like what the movie is, but just what you're picturing on Broadway. [1:11:16] I've never seen anything I liked on that motherfucker. This. This is it? Oh, boo. [1:11:20] Oh, theater people, you're so silly. Dude, I can't stand that. And the guy sucks. He can't box. [1:11:30] The beloved Oscar-winning story. [1:11:33] Dude, I just... I mean, I assume Stallone did this. I don't know. I mean, you just gotta own it. It's a cover story. I'm not into plays. [1:11:43] Care for your skin like you care for the game. Dove Men Plus Care is an official sponsor of the FIFA World Cup 2026 and has just dropped their new limited edition deodorant and antiperspirant collection for 72 hours sweat and odor protection, helping you stay fresh from kickoff to the final whistle. Visit dove.com slash ca slash en slash men dash care to shop now. [1:12:09] Bye. [1:12:10] I saw Dog Day Afternoon with Jon Bernthal on Broadway. Oh, really? How was that? It wasn't bad, though. That guy's really good. He was really good in it. He's really good. He's really good in it. You probably liked that shit, though. Did you ever get into The Punisher? Did you see The One Last Kill? Yeah, I watched it. That was good. That was good.

[1:12:30] It's a one-off. [1:12:31] Yeah, it's like an hour long. People think it's a movie. It's not a full movie. That was good. Yeah, I liked it. [1:12:38] That was really good. I liked it. Him in the Daredevil was good. Yeah, he was good. He was real good in that. His first season was okay. Second season wasn't good. [1:12:46] But that special was good. If you have to watch one thing, it's like 45 minutes to an hour. I did a watch along on the Matt Serra channel. But I did. That guy's awesome at everything. John Barthol? Yeah. Walking Dead, he was amazing. Yeah, he was. He played such a good, creepy friend. [1:13:03] When he came back to life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shit, that was crazy. I met him a few times in real life. He can scrap a little bit. Yeah, he's a very nice guy. He was on the podcast. [1:13:14] I enjoyed talking to him. Very smart. Yeah. Interesting dude. Went to school in Russia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [1:13:21] I mean, that's a weird place to learn acting. And just so you know, while we're on the topic, The Punisher's going to be in Spider-Man Brand New Day. That's coming out. Is that a movie? Yeah, the new Spider-Man movie. They just keep swapping out Spider-Man. Yeah, but this Tom Holland Spider-Man, he's yet to do a bad Spider-Man movie. He's good. There's no job security in being Spider-Man. No, hell no. They got another dude waiting in the wings. Or there is job security. [1:13:51] 20 years. Yeah, it's not a bad gig. The multiverse thing. [1:13:54] But the thing is about Spider-Man is he's supposed to be like a college kid. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, this guy looks like a little kid.

[1:14:01] Tom Holland? Yeah. It's the origin story as he starts out as a coach. Yeah, he's a high school kid. He's a high school kid. Yeah. And then his Uncle Ben gets killed and he doesn't stop the guy. You know what else was fun was the Spider-Man Noir. Yeah, I was pulling it up. Oh, Jamie, me and you are right here, buddy. Yeah, that's the Nicolas Cage one. Yeah, I watched that too. That was fun. Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. That looks dope. [1:14:25] I thought it was good. And you can watch it in color or black and white. They give you the option. Yeah. Nicolas Cage is a fascinating dude. [1:14:32] But he's the good Nicolas Cage in this. Yeah, yeah. Some stuff you watch him in, you're like... Well, I think after that... [1:14:41] Pascal movie he did. His name was in the title. It's like, I don't know, Being Nicolas Cage? Right, right, right. That movie brought him back. It was like Pulp Fiction for Travolta. Right. It kicked him back off again. What is that movie? It was a great... Where the... [1:14:54] Pedro Pascal is like a drug dealer who's a big fan of Nicolas Cage's. Oh. And he winds up like hiring him to come to his house to do something, and then he gets... [1:15:05] Cage is hemmed up in the cartel business. The unbearable weight of massive talent. That's what it's called. Is that it? Is that the name of the name? [1:15:12] Yeah, there it is. See? Being Nick fucking Cage. So that's a great B+. That's not bad. That's pretty good. It was good. I'll probably check that out. [1:15:21] I watched part of it. I never got through the whole thing. Nah. It's just busy. But it looks hilarious. Yeah, it's pretty good. The premise is hilarious. You know, you're like an actor and you get these gigs. Like, because people do things like that. They'll like show up at people's houses and parties. Like someone wants to pay you a million dollars to go to Dubai and you're like, okay. So then they fly to Dubai and then they have dinner with people and hang out with them and meet them and people just cut them a check. Damn. Yeah. Where can I get that? I know. It's weird. Yeah. It's weird. It's weird. It's weird.

[1:15:48] So like Nicolas Cage, that probably would happen where the cartel guy was like, that guy is my favorite. Remember when Sean Penn met El Chapo? Right. He was hanging with El Chapo and did an article for Rolling Stone magazine. [1:16:04] where he talked about meeting El Chapo in Mexico. No shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [1:16:08] Do you remember when Conor was wearing the El Chapo shirt and he tried to do the pictures just like El Chapo did? Those were the pictures that he did with Sean Penn. No shit. Yes, that's the shirt. That's what Conor's doing that. That's what he's doing. He's mocking that. That's hilarious. Speaking of Conor, how well does he do next week? Boy, we're going to find out. We're really going to find out what's going on if it gets into the second and third rounds. [1:16:36] That's when we're really going to fight. We'll know immediately. But whether or not he can really fight for five rounds. I don't know if he can, man. With a great gas tank. [1:16:49] tearing your body up? You don't know, right? Because it's all in a vacuum. There's some training footage of him beating guys up that you've seen, but who knows what he actually has been doing. We know he's been partying, but has he also been really training? Because if he's been really training, and he shocks everybody because he's still got his skills. I mean, my God, if he somehow or another [1:17:12] sparks out Max in the first round. Do you know how big he comes? He's right back. Right back. Right back. He and Justin Gaethje, the biggest fight in the history of the known universe. They go for the BMF title at 170. Connor's like, I don't want to cut any weight. That fight would be crazy. My only concern is his size. Max struggled with bigger dudes. Dustin the first time, then Max came back bigger, which we know because when he went back down, he struggled.

[1:17:42] you know, with Erlovsky. [1:17:44] I mean, he went five rounds with Justin. [1:17:47] Like, I'm just waiting to see... [1:17:50] Is Connor able to put that fucking weight on him and have a problem? Is he a bigger dude, though? They both fought at the same weight class. Yeah, they did start at 45. When Max was fighting at 145 when he was a champion, he was walking around like 176. He's a big guy. He's a bigger guy. He's big. I mean, I love Max. It's hard for me to believe Connor's coming back. I follow Max on YouTube. He's got a great channel. So I'm recording all of his training and all the stuff he's doing. And you see him. He looks good, dude. [1:18:20] big. Dustin Poirier thinks Max might be bigger. [1:18:24] Really? Yeah. I mean, he's taller. He says he's kind of thin, but he's got a bigger frame. He thinks he's gonna be bigger than Gunnar. He's tall. I mean, he came to my gym a couple times and he's like my height. I think he made a big mistake going back to 45 after he did. Yeah, I agree. I think it's too hard. I think it's just too hard on the body. And especially when he got, he beat, who's a thick 55 when he fought Justin? He looked good. Yeah, he looks solid at that weight. I think. [1:18:50] Him fighting at that weight, he could actually fight. I think going down to 45, I think he was fighting. It looked to me like he was in, like... [1:18:58] He was compromised. I think the weight cut was just too much. Do you think the Justin fight and Max is different if he doesn't get caught with that kick early in the face? 100%. I would like to see that fight without Justin's compromise. Right. But that's the beautiful thing about moves like that. It's a fight game. It changes everything. That was the intention. It could have been a KO. It shattered the bones of his nose. Yeah. So that for sure.

[1:19:28] he fought Ilya, but then you've got to also factor in, also he's fighting Ilya, and Ilya's so fucking good. Like, you look bad. Like, there's a lot of guys who don't look, he lands combinations on people, and a lot of guys look bad. It doesn't mean they're bad. I'd like to see Max and Justin again, if Max pulls it off. But then again, like, what are you going to do for Ilya? Like, if Ilya wants a rematch... [1:19:49] I don't think you give him Patty if Patty wins. That's what I think. That's what his next fight should be. I think Patty wins. You think Patty beats Ilya? No, I think he beats Saint Denis to get to Ilya. I think he gets hit way too much to beat Ilya. [1:20:10] with Ilya's sharp. He's so sharp with his striking. I re-watched that fight again. Yeah, I like Patty in this one. Saint Denis is not an easy... I don't think he's easy. Saint Denis is a beast. I just think his Patty striking is a little better and his jiu-jitsu is better. I think the only place Saint Denis has the advantages into the wrestling, just my opinion. [1:20:28] I don't know, man. Saint Denis switched camps and then made that big adjustment after he lost to Moikano. Yeah, after the Moikano fight. He's looked a lot better. If Paddy puts him on his back at all, does Saint Denis train off his back? Because it didn't look like it in that Moikano match. [1:20:47] Patty and Ilya would be huge. Hell yeah. Because they have history, too. That's right. They got beef. That's the fight. Yeah. That'll be a meta fight. That's the fight you make. Do that shit in London? I think that's the right comeback fight for Ilya. And also... Do that shit in England. Joe's like, I'm going. Oh, my God. Now I don't want to get caught in a riot. Not for anything. They were shitting on... Be careful. They may lock you up for your social media when you get over there. They would, too. They were shitting on Patty when he lost to Justin.

[1:21:13] And, you know, he got compromised also that first round. I believe he got poked in the eye or whatever else. Whatever case, he went five with him. Yeah, he did go five with him. Yeah. [1:21:23] You know, and got battered and stood up to great shots. And he's going to come out of that fight better. He'll know, okay, there's more work to be done. There's holes I have in my game. There's places where I got caught. [1:21:35] And he has improved over his – like, when he first got there, I didn't really think much of him. But each time out, I think he gets a little better. Yeah, dude, for sure. It's just Justin's in. [1:21:44] Yeah, he's a savage. He's my favorite fighter rat. You know, been for a minute. Yeah, no doubt. Because he's just always in a great fight. And especially after you see that second round. I re-watched it again. [1:21:56] When Ilya was putting it on him in that second round, I'm like, oh, those liver punches. I know. Like, how does he come back from this? More than one, too. So beautiful, though, too. Like, the way he delivers those shots, man. Just clean. Bam. You know who else does it like that? Aaron Pico. Yeah, he does. Great body work. Yeah, 100%. I'm glad that he's got to show his stuff. Me, too. He looked great his last fight. He looked great. Yeah, Pico. Because that was one of those guys when he was fighting Pitbull. He was like, you know, a real legend. [1:22:26] The way he mixed it together, the striking and the wrestling, was really good. He just got crazy in his debut. And he just got a little just too hyped up, a little too aggressive against a guy who's way too skilled. Yeah. You know? He's a hunter. Yeah. You know, I love that he's so aggressive. But that was a great...

[1:22:45] comeback fight. Fuck yeah, it was. Because it shows that he's still in there. You get worried when you see people get their lights put out like that. Are they going to ever be the same? And then when you see them come back and have a fight like that, being so intelligent. [1:22:58] Yeah, that's a good sign. But he has to make sure his defense is always good because his chin is still suspect. [1:23:04] Regardless of how good his skill is is he still don't had a chin. Well, he's been knocked out a bunch of times You know, I mean after a certain amount of times it's easier to get knocked out and you've got to know he's been knocked out in training I always believe part of your chin is believing you can't be knocked out and then when it happens to you that first time Instead of when you get your bell rung you bite down on your mouthpiece now you're like oh shit not again like I think mentally it's a maybe it's different you know [1:23:31] There's something to that, probably, but then there's also like a cro-cop head kick. Well, if you get hit on the button, you get hit on the fucking button. Yeah, there's like certain shit that violates your beliefs. Yeah, it doesn't matter. [1:23:41] Nobody twice see red, bro. It's a fact. A clang. Edson Barbosa wheel kicks you. I remember that one. That was in Brazil when Edson Barbosa. Terry Adam. Yeah, he had a good one, too. That's one of those where you go, I don't think that guy's ever going to be the same. [1:23:57] I don't think he was the same after that. No. I thought it right then and there. I was like, I think that was too hard. Yeah, that was too hard. That's a different shot. And you've seen it where guys, they get one, and then they're still in there, and then you see them get a couple, and then next thing you know, their chin is gone. It's just, it's not, listen, Chuck Liddell's mentally strong. You know what I mean? You don't think he's being like, I wonder if this is going to, you know, that's just his body saying, his body's trying to protect him. Yeah, his body's saying enough of this.

[1:24:27] lining of [1:24:27] inside your brain. All that fascia tears over time and repeated head traumas and just there's a lot of swashing around. So when you get dinged, your brain is literally going without shock absorbers bouncing off the inside of your skull. That might not be the technical way that a neurosurgeon might describe it. Hey, man. [1:24:49] Listen, all those height jokes, I was like a little armadillo at the top of my head. I was covering that little motherfucker. Unless I'm running into a back fist, I was okay. [1:25:02] But it's so funny how everything just evolves. When I got stopped with the first, I was the first guy ever to get stopped with a back fist. And when I did, the people were like, yo, this guy must suck. Nobody gets stopped with that shit. Now you see it on every call, people getting stopped with back fists. [1:25:19] Bravo and I at the beginning of the UFC about stuff that works that's not in there yet. Like, what about this? What about that? And you know the big one that I missed on? What's that? Front kick to the face. Before, Anderson Silva front kick V toward the face. I'm like, that actually doesn't work. Nobody does that. It's too hard to land. I don't even know why I thought that. [1:25:38] So you really thought that? For a little bit. Because I was like, it's not worth it. I was like, that move is so powerful to the body. I was like, that's really where you should use it because it's a big target. You can really fuck a guy up. You get your most power with a front kick going straight. And I was like, to the face, it's like too hard to hit. [1:25:54] I don't know why I thought that way. Machida. Yeah, Machida and Randy. Yeah, Machida and Randy. I think it was like Vitor first, or Anderson Vitor first. I think that was the first one when we saw a real spectacular front kick knock out to the face. But then it was Machida and Randy, and then a bunch of people started doing it. And then front kicks to the face became like a spam. Thanks Sensei Seagal for that. How about Michael Chandler, Tony first? Oh, yeah. That was a bad one. That might be one of the worst ones ever. Yeah.

[1:26:24] Or Chito Rivera, Frankie Edgar. Oh, yeah. That was another one. Front kicks to the face are brutal. I just didn't see that coming. I really, because in martial arts tournaments, most people were throwing them to the body and not throwing them to the face. Even in kickboxing, not a whole lot of guys were throwing them to the face. [1:26:40] You know, with Michael Chandler, I remember talking to him, and he said he didn't even practice that. He just says he just saw the opening and just threw the kick. That's so crazy. That's wild. Yeah. That's so crazy. I mean, I think, too, once a... [1:26:53] a successful technique gets out there and people see it, then all of a sudden, hey, I can fucking do that. Yeah, 100%. [1:27:00] He had a rough outing the last one, Mike. Yeah, that's a tough fight, man. I mean, that was a bad matchup. Mike is 40. Mike, it's time for you to retire. Mike is 40. Hoofie is in his prime, and he... [1:27:13] It might be the scariest striker at 170. Yeah, he's in the south. Or 155, rather. By the way, giant for 55. I know. Gigantic. Gigantic. Like, rangy. Yeah. Good movement. Slick. He's fucking good. Bro, he hit him with, like, three wheel kicks. Yeah. Yeah. [1:27:27] He was just, I mean, it was target practice. It's crazy how good he is. And you talk about that. [1:27:32] taekwondo movement, he has that. Exactly. But with boxing hands. So it's crazy. Yeah. You know, I mean, gotta tighten up the wrestling and the jiu-jitsu, and that's why he lost to Benoit Saint-Denis. But that was a good learning experience. When you see a guy who's that good, fucking everybody up, the way he put out King, Jesus. That was real bad. He does it like a video game. And Fazeev. And I thought that was going to be a decent one. And by the way, the Fazeev knockout,

[1:28:02] was like sick as a dog before the fight was they were talking about pulling out of the fight no shit and he just took the fight anyway had one of the best performances of his career but that guy's he's elite and training with volkanovsky i know only gonna make him better perfect for sure what better guy of like wrestling strong like animal featherweight that was like the king for so many years won the crown again yeah stick around with that guy he'll show you how to get up he'll show [1:28:32] left in him. Right, so he's going to want to coach guys. Yeah, he's going to want to, like, pass it on. Yeah. And you've got the perfect guy to pass it on. He's got a great fight IQ. Yeah. Very well rounded, too. Wokonofsky? Yeah. Yeah, I think he's one of my favorites in terms of, like, fight IQ. Yeah, he's really grew on me. I didn't like him because of Max. You know, I was always rooting for Max, but, uh... [1:28:50] You know, he's earned my respect. That guy's just, he's good. He's good everywhere, too. He really is. The dude I got my eyes on the most is Carlos Protes. Yeah, I got my eyes on him the most. He's so accurate. Dude, that's accurate. That Jack De La Modellina KO was crazy. Jack is so fucking good, and he's so tough. He's so tough. And you watch Carlos just tee off on him. He really did. He looked like target practice for him against such a high-level guy. He was having fun. [1:29:17] I know. Ain't that the worst part? Dude, Morales is a savage, too, still. I know, but that fight... Save that fight. Morales versus Protas, save that fight. Wait till it's ready. Not yet. It's like, don't pull the brisket out of the smoker just yet. I was telling Matt, I saw some grappling footage of Morales, and he looked pretty fucking good. Well, he has a wrestling background, and if there's a way he's going to get...

[1:29:41] protest is going to probably be a combination of those things because protest just wants to stand yeah of course and he's he's built like a bit like if you had an engineer like a long range torsos as big as all legs and arms oh he's so accurate [1:29:59] This episode is brought to you by Activia. You might already be eating yogurt, but not all yogurts are created equal. Activia contains over 1 billion probiotics per serving to survive and reach the gut alive. When it comes to gut health, Activia is the number one family doctor recommended probiotic yogurt brand. Choose Activia. Feel good from the inside out. Visit Activia.ca for more details. [1:30:26] he had his best round the fifth round versus ian machado gary yeah he came back like a bat out of hell and really had him hurt bad he might get out pointed but he's he's calm in bad positions and he's always fucking dangerous that was the last are you thinking maybe he's a chain smoker or something that he's or he smokes cigarettes yeah the fifth round man he had he had ian in trouble yeah he's good dude and he's he hit so fucking hard when he killed leon i was like i know [1:30:56] Leon's good. He's a good striker. To KO Leon like that, clean, was crazy. They got a crazy room. Was it the Fight Nerds, they called themselves? Yeah, Fight Nerds. And Hoofty was there. Yeah, yeah. He trains with them, and he trains with other people as well. Like, Protes moves around, but he had a giant Muay Thai record, rather. Oh, no shit. Yeah, like, how many Muay Thai fights did Carlos Protes have?

[1:31:22] Like world class. Like I've watched a bunch of his just pure Muay Thai fights and the comfort level that he has in their exchanging and moving and knowing where he's supposed to be and not to be. That like sensitivity that he has to like striking exchanges because world class Muay Thai is such an advantage. Yeah, I would favor him if he fought Ian Gary again. [1:31:44] Perhaps, because he knew he'd hurt him. Yeah, yeah. He knows he has to try to get it on him. Yeah. He can't point fight him. Do you think that Islam's going to just have his way, or do you think Gary has a shot there? He definitely has a shot. I mean, Ian... So he had 29 Muay Thai wins. Yeah. [1:32:01] Five losses. So 34 Muay Thai fights. [1:32:04] And like high level, man. [1:32:07] You watch him fight, and you're like, okay, this guy, he can fucking... [1:32:11] He knows where to be, where not to be, and he knows how to piece people up, man. [1:32:17] It's like... [1:32:17] When you have that high level, we've seen it so many times with these guys like world champs, like Alex. See these world champion kickboxers, they enter into MMA, like nobody has a chance standing with them. It's like it's too scary. Yeah. [1:32:29] And that's what you're seeing with Carlos. It's like, fuck, man. [1:32:32] What he did to JDM, I was like, holy shit. I mean, he was having fun. He was just playing with him. Having a good time. I was like, what? [1:32:39] Beating the shit out of the former world champion. Having a good time. [1:32:42] Just smashing them. Stopped them. [1:32:44] Had him screaming from calf kicks. Yeah. [1:32:47] Whereas he went to his corner and they're like, no, ah, don't fucking scream. They're telling him to not scream. Bro, you didn't just get kicked in the same spot the next time. Fuck you. You know how tough that dude is?

[1:33:02] His nose is on the left side of his face. And you're saying, that guy? Toughen up? Right. [1:33:07] that's a fact that was one of those i was had him when he was getting him up against the cage i was fucking flinching i'm i hear it it's coming because you just you know it's coming but you just don't know where it's coming from and those knees to the body are so nasty protest is so nasty [1:33:24] He's so good, man. [1:33:25] And he's getting better, too. And now he's starting to do this shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, he's feeling it. He feels like he's the best guy. Yeah, I feel like he's the scariest guy in that division. I think so. He's the scariest. But it doesn't mean he's going to be the best. Right. The bottom line about Islam is no one's able to get away from him. [1:33:42] He gets a hold of you. He's very good standing up now. And he gets a hold of you. You're at fucksville. He has a different kind of wrestling. [1:33:50] Different kind of grappling. Well, if Ian can't keep him off of him, I don't see how he beats him on the ground. His submissions are fucking insane, too. He's just got a vice grip, man. I know. Everybody that he rolls with or everybody that he fights with, they all say, I've never been grabbed like that. [1:34:04] Never felt anybody that strong. [1:34:06] Who's that, Islam? Islam, yeah. [1:34:08] I don't know if it's the same at 70, but he's so big, I can't imagine it's not. It's not like he's a little 70. Yeah, because he's tall, and he's got a good frame on him. I think he's going to be better at 70, because he's not going to be depleted. Because when I would stand next to him in the octagon when he was the 55-pound champion, I'd be like, how? How do you weigh 55? That doesn't even make any sense. You're 190 pounds right now. Guaranteed. If I put you on a scale, you weigh 190. Yeah.

[1:34:34] I think Ian's going to make it competitive early. Because he's got good footwork. He moves side to side really good. He's long. But if he gets taken down twice and then it becomes a habit of him getting taken down, he won't get back up. But the thing is, if Ian Gary can get off sharp combinations early, he could stun him. Because Ian can move. He's fast as fuck. Fast as fuck and he's super accurate. [1:35:04] real clean, no fat in his mood. Everything's like, ta-ta! Very responsible. Yeah, he's not like a physically overpowering guy. It's technique. His technique is sharp. Did you see his interaction that time with Kamzat? [1:35:17] Yeah. What are your thoughts on that? There was a little too much of a pat on the back. That's what the fuck I'm talking about. Coms Art wasn't wrong, and I like Ian. I don't run against him. [1:35:27] But there's like a pat on the back where they're kind of halfway hissing. Yeah. Yeah. He went up to him like, oh, what do you think? You think you're trying to check him? You know, you got something coming up. Oh, you feel strong. There's a weird thing when you hit me a little too hard on the back. Yeah. You know, there's a hug and then there's a slap slap. Yeah. Yeah. Where like there's a slap slap that's like a little aggressive. Trying to show some male dominance here? Yeah. You don't like me? What are you trying to do? You don't like me? Are you hitting me? It feels like you're hitting me a little bit. Yeah. [1:35:57] the face like that, you go to jail. You're hitting me in the back, but if you're like, hey, where's my focus spaghetti? And you double slap her in the back. I think right now, I don't even like, from so many right hands, if you see this little...

[1:36:11] Oh, Jesus. See this thing right here that's bumping out? Yeah, it's broken. I don't like, yeah, I fucked it up on Shoney's head. But I don't like when guys try to, when you first meet somebody. Squeeze the hand. And they try to squeeze. Dude, because I want to smack them right there. Yeah. Because I feel pain with that shit. [1:36:27] to another one. [1:36:28] What are we looking at? No, he's talking about the Hamza. No, no, no. That's Shavkat. That's Shavkat. How dare you? I fell down the wrong path. Are you racist? Yeah, wrong racist. I'm like, what are we looking at? I hit an autocomplete. No, it was... Jamie, wasn't that a fight? It was like... Backstage. Backstage. Yeah. I thought I'd never seen it coming. Yeah, but... Bro, I felt... I honestly... [1:36:49] felt bad for Hamzat trying to make 185. [1:36:52] From all that I heard before the Strickland fight, he almost died. To make 185? Yeah, when he made 185, when he fought Strickland. Really? Yeah. Yeah. [1:37:01] He was apparently thinking that he was going to go up to light heavyweight. Oh. And they were even talking about him fighting Yuri. Yeah. [1:37:07] And so he was preparing like he was going up to light heavyweight. And if you watch, he's another guy who's got a great YouTube channel. He details all his training. He was hanging out with that Calavita guy, doing a lot of cardio and strength. There it is. [1:37:20] Like, he gave him... [1:37:22] Yeah, before that, though, I think it was like, good job tonight. Good job. And I think he slapped him on the back before that there was or maybe it was after. I don't know what it was, but it was enough. So, like, he's fine now. [1:37:34] Like they seem cool. [1:37:36] Oh, no, no. He's talking a little shit. Right here he gets pissed. [1:37:39] and pushes them. [1:37:41] He's a champion, don't worry. So, yeah.

[1:37:44] Well, you know, Hamza doesn't like it. Well, I mean, he didn't give him that little squeeze on his shoulder. Yeah, that was not necessarily. Chechnya is not America. Right. Okay? The dudes that come from Chechnya, that is a war-torn country, and those motherfuckers don't play. And the guy who runs it, the guy who runs it, it's Hamza's homie. Yep. Which is like, okay. So much so, he lets him tap him out. Yeah. It's ridiculous. But that's how it goes. [1:38:14] You got to do what you got to do. [1:38:16] I like the fight. I think Ian has a real chance. I do, too. I think early he does. But if he gets taken down repeatedly... If he gets taken down, he might just get smushed. He might just get choked and smushed and choked. I don't know. He struggled with Shavka on the ground. He did. But, again, that's a couple of years ago. It's not like he's not getting better. I mean, that dude... He's smart. Like, he knows how to... [1:38:38] Get himself prepared. Super smart. I just think he's got his edges on the feet, obviously. So I think that's where he, if he's going to win, that's where he will. I don't know why people don't like him. I love him. I think he's awesome. He also almost finished Shavka with a red naked choke, if I remember correctly. [1:38:53] Does that really? Yeah, he did. He did have Shavkot on the back. Yeah, he had his back. Ooh, I forgot about that. I forgot about that. I mean, that was the closest anybody came to finishing. He also fucked up Shavkot's knee. Yeah. He hit him with that oblique kick to the knee, and that's the reason why Shavkot had to get surgery. Really? And he's had two surgeries since. Yeah. Yeah. [1:39:10] Ian even made a post about it. That's so rude. So rude. This is why he had to get surgery. I think Ian made a post. I saw a post that maybe somebody attributed to Ian. But it was his work. I mean, look, it's a legal technique, and he's really good at it. And the way he throws it, that oblique way sideways to the knee, that's fucking devastating. And he's long enough to do it. Yeah, man. For sure. John Jones style. But the way he can move in with combinations is very hard to deal with.

[1:39:40] grab mvps like fuck i know right yeah even him yeah even him yeah that's what i'm talking about where you can't hit them yeah you're like what am i doing here well see but that's why i like ian like in terms like think about that like he's able to solve them problems like he says iq is so high he's beating guys like mvp and like the guys that other people and carlos protest guys that other people can't beat very true very true look at it there it is right there that's it [1:40:07] Can you back it up again so we hit it right there? Oh, my God, dude. Damn, that's a fucked up. Look how bad that is. Don't throw anything. That's it right there. Boom. That's a wooden dummy. That's a Wing Chun. See, there you go. Those Wing Chun work. That's a stomp kick. Yeah, there's a stomp kick. It's real. It's real. Wing Chun works. Proof. That's it. Bro, Gary's no joke, man. He's fucking dangerous. And that style of being that tall is so hard to deal with. [1:40:32] Matt, my short brother, you know what I'm talking about. Dude, let me tell you something. Especially little trolls like us. They'd always try to latch onto my head. Yeah, it's just so hard to even spar with tall guys because they can hit you from six inches further away than you can hit them. That's a lot of space. Yeah, you've got to come in behind that double, triple jab. I love the fact that... [1:40:52] You can do anything, and you should be able to kick to the knees. I hate the fact that it blew his knee out. We really haven't seen him the same since. [1:40:59] I mean, he's been two surgeries. I think he had one fight after that, right? [1:41:05] Did he have one more fight? He and Gary fight? Didn't he have a bad car accident or something like that, too? Did he? Yeah. Shavkot?

[1:41:13] Did he? I thought so. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope not. Or maybe it was just his family. Maybe. I don't know. I hope he's okay. I just missed the guy in the octagon. He's fucking good, man. Chavcott was good. It's just like one technique can change your whole career. Yeah, I thought he was coming back, like, trying to rehab from whatever... [1:41:31] from the accident. Oh, so it was the accident? I mean, look, obviously. Well, first, it hurt his leg for sure. For sure, first he had ACL surgery before that. [1:41:41] So he might have got an accident after that. Maybe that's what happened. Maybe he redid it. Fuck, dude, that sucks. He's so good. But then again, it's like this fucking sport waits for no one. These dudes are coming up, coming up. You know what I'm bummed that got canceled this weekend is Ethan Ewing. [1:41:55] Oh, yeah. That kid's good. He's so good. Yeah, that kid was fighting his slouch. He came onto the scene and it was a short notice fight versus Wellmaker at Madison Square Garden. And Wellmaker's having a hard time lately. He lost his last one, too. And he's a better fighter than that. He's a young kid. So, yeah. [1:42:18] We'll see the best from him yet. Well, he came out so spectacular, Wellmaker did. He looked so good in his debut. And on the Contender Series, he looks like he's really good. But fucking Ethan, you're slick. He's really good. He's slick. Real good. And he's another guy, like we're talking about, this new breed of guys, like the Sanhagans. He's constantly switching stances, constantly giving you different angles and directions. It's very hard to pattern them. Is he on the counter card, too, right?

[1:42:48] Sanhagen is, yeah, Sanhagen is by Bautista. Yeah, but he was, Ethan was on the card, and I think they pulled him off. [1:42:57] Yeah, the dude he's fighting was undefeated. There it is, Basarat. Yeah, fuck. Fuck. [1:43:02] And Basraat's good. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. That's a really good fight. He's tall, rangy. That would have been interesting. Can we see the rest of the card? He's injured. He'll be back. But I like the fact that he's not fighting injured, too, because this is a pretty significant injury. [1:43:18] And so when these guys, they say, fuck it, I'll just do it. And then you have one loss, and then that loss leads you. You know, your career can go down a weird road. It's a pretty good card. It's a very good card. It is a good card. Benoit and Saint Denis and Patty Pimblitt. Right. That's right. And then Connor Max Alley. Gable Steveson is on this one too, right? Yep. [1:43:35] *cough* [1:43:36] Yeah, there you go. He was going around that he was going to fight Josh Hokett. I was like, please don't make that be true. Yeah. But he's a minus 2,500. Robert Whitaker and Nikita Krylov is good, too, man. Robert is going from 170 to 85 to now light heavyweight. [1:43:51] Isn't that crazy? [1:43:53] And he's not that big. Not that big? No. Is he like 6'1"? Not even. No? No. 6'1"? [1:43:59] . [1:43:59] How tall is Robert? Six feet tall. [1:44:02] Yeah, six. So he's a thick fella. Yeah. Definitely got to be walking around at like 230 or something like that. But these guys are so tall and so rangy. And that fucking Nikita Krylov guy can kick. Yeah, he's a legit 205 or two. Cody's still a... He was lighting up Yuri in that fight before he got caught, remember? Yeah.

[1:44:24] Yeah. He was lighting Urie up. For sure. Yeah. [1:44:26] Yeah. [1:44:29] Cody, I think it's time to. Cody Garbrandt? Adrian Yanez, man. He went through a bad streak, too. But that dude's very skillful. Very good boxer. Yeah, he looked good in his last one. What's Cody doing, too? What is this thing on his eye? Is he angry that he's good looking? [1:44:44] Yanez is, yeah. He's angry. Yeah, he's got to doctor it up. The kids these days, they like face tattoos. [1:44:50] He's young as 450 favorites. I'm saying like minus 450. Cody's chin, man. He's just been too many times. Too many times. What's the age thing to I mean, Cody's not actually that old. [1:45:03] I think he's only like 33. Yeah. [1:45:05] How old is Cody Garbrandt? 33? No, he's got to be older than that. I don't think he's old. No, I don't think he's old. I think he started his career at 34. 34? Oh, my God. Yeah, see, I think he started his career really young. 35. Dude, fucking Max. 35 now? Oh, July 7th. Yeah, next week. Oh, so next week. Max started. He was, what, 19? This guy's still good. Right. Yeah, well, you know, when I interviewed them for the UFC at the White House, which is the most ridiculous thing in the world, [1:45:35] that and on a chair with a camera in front of me and then there's a monitor here that's connor as a monitor there that's max and they're arguing with each other you won't lay a glove on me [1:45:51] It was crazy to see the two of them going back and forth. It's fun seeing Conor come back, man. I know. He's fun. He is the world's greatest shit talker. He cracked me up, man. He was cracking me up. I can't wait until fight week. It's going to be amazing. Yeah. Look, I hope he looks great. I hope it's a good fight. But, you know, it's a tall order to take on Max Holloway after he was just the BMF champion. He beat Dustin Poirier. Yeah, he lost to Ilya.

[1:46:20] fight is a totally different human being. Yeah. This is a world champion, like one of the all-time featherweight greats. [1:46:27] I think if Conor don't knock him out early, he's in for a long night. Max can fight with no weight cut. No weight cut. Max might never get tired. People are saying, oh, yeah, but what about moving up? I'm like, that's great for him. He don't have to cut no weight for him. It's great for both of them. Listen, this is the future. I would hope. I would hope guys would abandon weight cutting. I really do. And I think the UFC should accommodate it by letting go of these ridiculous weight limits. Let's just find out what guys weigh. Let's find out what guys weigh. [1:46:57] fight. [1:46:58] Like one does, right? Does one still do that? I mean, that was the way to go. Like where you went at the beginning of the year and then like this is where you're going to fight. I would run things like one because they also allow steroids, allegedly. [1:47:10] I might have just made that up. I don't want to get slandered. I don't want to get sued. I don't think they do. I think they have drug tests at one. I think it's like multiple choice. Multiple choice. [1:47:21] I want guys to take testosterone. None of the above. I want them to take peptides. I want them to take everything they have. I want to give them a hyperbaric chamber. Like, let's go, boys. Yeah, and then just release them. Yeah, release the hounds. I want the best fighting that's humanly available. The old fucking pride days. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. [1:47:40] MMA bout. Yes. But with Conor and Max, one guy, even in his prime, Con has always shown signs that [1:47:48] His endurance was never the best. He's a sprinter. And Max...

[1:47:54] is man he's the guy in the last round 30s winning a fight my 30 seconds point that he's yes fresh fresh is as good as his first max's discipline is beyond compare like that motherfucker trains hard you might train just as hard but there ain't harder think there ain't harder the craziest one was when he put it on Calvin cater and he was oh yeah we were there time [1:48:22] It was so crazy. I was watching that cage sign. [1:48:25] And him looking away, talking and hitting him was just something. Bro, how about Brian Ortega when he was fighting him, showing him how to keep his hands up? Oh, yeah. Oh, Jesus. He grabs him, grabs his hand and puts it by his head. No, do like this. He can block it. And then pops him with a jab again. Bro. Max Holloway is a bad motherfucker, dude. 100%. And, you know, I think it's going to be interesting to see. Look, Conor in his prime was elite. Conor Eddie Alvarez, if it was that Conor right now fighting Max, I'd be like, holy [1:48:55] shit yeah that's a that's that's different but can he regain that form right we don't know i mean he's a special dude look at this just pop talking shit to him your man dana was dana was losing his mind over there yeah there's also covet so you could kind of hear him right yeah 100 because it's not oh look at that look at that right look at it he was slipping shit [1:49:19] I'm the best boxer in the UFC. Look at this. [1:49:22] Bro, he's such a bad motherfucker. Man. And if he starts talking to Conor like that in the middle of the fight and teeing off on him, if Conor gets tired, it could get rough. Look at his last fight with Dustin. Yeah. The difference is Conor, I don't give a fuck if he's 39. I don't care how old he is.

[1:49:38] That dude's got the touch. Yeah, he does. He's got the touch of death. And he's very accurate. And he's accurate, and he's fast as fuck. And when he's sprinting, when he's sprinting, he moves quicker than anybody. And it's like, you can't do that for five rounds, but if he does it and cracks you, you're on fucksville. Look what he did to Aldo. Who the fuck's ever done that to Aldo? True. [1:49:59] That's the touch. [1:50:01] Do you think there's any chance that Conor wrestles him? I think Conor might try to wrestle him a little bit. That's what Nate said. Because of the Charles Oliveira fight? Maybe looking at that and then maybe seeing the death. I don't see that. I think Max has got to put it on him a little bit, and then he'll shoot because he's not in it for war. That's going to get him even more tired. He did it in his first fight. He wrestled him. We say he's not in it for war, but he can surprise us, man. Like, you know, the humiliation of losing that second fight to Dustin with a broken leg and sitting there and having to go out for all the... [1:50:31] responded to that. Obviously, he did a lot of partying. We don't know what kind of training. [1:50:36] You know, and... [1:50:37] If he really is still the Conor McGregor that had something to prove when he entered into the UFC, and he can get himself into that mindset and get through a camp with that mindset. [1:50:46] Who knows, man? [1:50:47] I mean, he definitely looked focused as fuck when I was talking to him in the interview. It doesn't really mean anything until you actually see him move around. But if he really prepared himself correctly, he wants to make a stand and show that he can still do it. This might get wild. But if that's the strategy? [1:51:04] Fuck, man. If he's worried about his endurance already or if that's a question, if that's the strategy, it's not like he's going to take him down and just smoke him. Max has got – he has a ground. Oh, Max's jiu-jitsu has gotten so much better. Look what he survived with Charles Oliveira. So it's not like he's going to take him down and just smoke him. Right. I would like to talk to Kavanaugh.

[1:51:21] and see what was the plan like how did what did you guys do how long was the camp like how did it start what was he doing before the camp yeah so i had talked to laura sanko who interviewed kavanaugh okay and she said that he wouldn't say it but he kind of alluded to that wrestling might be a part of the game plan [1:51:39] Well, that might be a ruse. Yeah. Yeah. That might be to lure. Because the way that Charles handled Max in the last fight was crazy. But also, that's Charles. That's what I'm saying. So I'm just getting ready. Nobody else took Max down like that. Charles is a fucking monster on the ground. Charles is Charles. [1:51:55] He's so good on the ground, man. [1:51:58] Max had to survive some shit that other people would have tapped. And here's what's crazy. Islam smushed him. I know. Right? Right? There's crazy levels to this sport. Islam smushed him. I know. He got him to the ground. Made him look bad. Made him look bad. [1:52:15] He was tapping like immediately. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I ain't getting out of this. [1:52:19] I'm going night-night. [1:52:21] That's how good he is. [1:52:22] I mean, when he got Drew Dober in half guard, when he got that arm triangle from half guard, he was like, there ain't no half guard here. This is just smush. Yeah, pressure. That pressure is fucking phenomenal. Incredible squeeze. He just cuts off the blood. There's nothing you can do about it. That forearm grip Doris that he uses, do you fuck with that? I don't mess with that, but I know how powerful it is. Do you fuck with it, Matt? No, that was never my thing. The anacondas and the Dorises. Because we're short-armed little ass.

[1:52:52] It's a problem with me with these things. These are great for some things, but not for dogs. But it should be better for you all because all you have to do is grip here. Yeah, I never tried it, though. But I did used to like the Japanese necktie for the same reason. Because the Japanese necktie, when you're funneling under for – when you go for that underhook on the left arm and you get it behind the head, you cinch down like this. And then instead of trying to go all the way through and cinch it up as a darts, you take it from this position with this lever on the back of the neck and you tuck the neck into your chest. Okay, yeah. [1:53:22] you grab a leg, you grab a leg, and you do this. You lean on this shoulder. So once you cinch it up, as soon as you get this forearm behind the neck, the first thing to do is you put your left shoulder to the mat. So your left shoulder, you drop down the mat, and usually they think they're going to spin out of it, but you're trapping the head and the chest. Yeah, with your shoulder to the floor, right? There's a video of me showing it to T.J. Dillashaw. We're at the Onnit headquarters, and I'm showing him how to do it. It's great for short-armed dudes. Wait, you're on his back, you're saying? No, you're on the darts position, right? [1:53:52] So he's got the underhook, you funnel under, you get it behind the head. Once you get it behind the head, you use this lever, you pin that down on the neck, and the first thing I want to do is put my left shoulder over on the top. [1:54:02] So here it is. So here it is. So once you get to this position and you Klimp, [1:54:06] I want to put my shoulder down and then his head is trapped. [1:54:11] Is that a neck crank? 100%. It's horrible. Are you hipping in? Yes. And you usually grab a hold of a leg. [1:54:19] You can just step over. It's right there. Jamie, back it up to where I'm showing it to him, and then I talk through it.

[1:54:25] Back it up a little bit. [1:54:26] Yeah, there it is. Give me some volume. Okay, but try this, though. [1:54:29] The difference between what you're doing and what I'm doing is [1:54:32] I'm going on to my left shoulder. [1:54:33] Yeah. [1:54:34] Sorry. [1:54:34] Once you've got this, if I hook this leg, I'm going on my left shoulder. [1:54:40] So I'm all the way sideways. Okay, yeah, yeah. So there's a tremendous... So you're hooking a leg even before you fall down, too. Immediately. Yeah, because you won't be able to get it if you fall down before. Exactly. So as soon as I cinch my hands together, I'm hooking a leg. Yeah. I want to tie him up. Yeah. I want to tie him up, and I want to get him in a position where he thinks he's going to roll out of it like you would with a DARS. Right. But you can't roll out of it. You can't now. You already got the leg. Exactly. Also because I'm trapping your head in my chest. So you're just worried about me getting this, but I'm not even trying to get that. Yeah. I'm just getting to this. Can you hear some volume right here? [1:55:09] Yeah. Dude, that's a... [1:55:12] Would you get it? [1:55:17] Right, right, right, for sure. See, people like when they put their legs in there. That's what he was just saying. That's why it's like it's really good. That cranks that neck. [1:55:25] Is that Danny Castillo? Yeah. I'm sure he's dead, though. [1:55:30] but that's [1:55:31] It's better, we do it this way. [1:55:32] There's more pressure. [1:55:34] You very rarely see this in the UFC. And it's available, too, because also the gloves, they get in the way of certain chokes, like definitely rear naked chokes. It's so hard to get the hand in the proper position with the back of the hand on the head. Does it matter which leg you step over? Like, you stepped over the first, you stepped over the far leg. The far leg's better. You get better control. But it doesn't matter as long as you can tie him up and trap his head inside your chest. So once the head's in the chest, you're in a terrible position to defend because it puts your head at this nasty angle.

[1:56:04] So TJ's showing like one of the ways that he does it. [1:56:06] I was going to say his grip is different from yours. He's got a hands on that. He's trying a different grip. I like my grip better. Well, it's not my grip. It's Eddie Bravo's grip. But I like the grip better because you've got the lever. So the thing is about having it go through, this lever, when you get this forearm and the back of the neck, that's a lot of power. There's a lot of power that way. [1:56:25] So... [1:56:26] If you see how I'm doing, I'm doing it a little bit different. And he's just going. Well, yours, too, you're all on his head and neck. TJ is cradling him almost. That's it. So he did it that way now, like in that time. Now he's doing it the right way. [1:56:38] That's nasty. And then once it gets in the chest, yep, trap the leg. You can trap either leg. The whole thing is just trapping the head. You just want to make sure you have contact with his body so his left legs, or his legs rather, can't spin out. You don't want him spinning out. [1:56:51] Because then his head's going to get free. [1:56:54] It's nasty. But it's just I don't see it in MMA, and I don't know why, because it's available when guys are trying to get the darts and they can't get it. Like there's a lot of times the legs are tangled up, and it's horrible because you have this level. You remember when Khabib tapped Conor and everybody was like, oh, there wasn't even an end. The choke was like, he was doing that same shit, but he was doing it across the neck on the back. It's going to break his jaws. Fucking horrible. It's going to break your neck, man. And that's what that feels like. But that's even worse because it's sideways. And you've got your body on it. [1:57:24] Yeah. [1:57:24] But the worst that I've never seen in the UFC is the executioner. [1:57:28] I don't think I've ever seen anybody get that rear that, you know, you're in the back mount and you reach over, you go guillotine. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, yes, yes. Somebody got something like that the other day. Well, that was the Scottish. Oh, Scottish Schwister. Scottish Schwister. That's different. Scottish Schwister is different. Yeah, it feels like it. Scottish Schwister is a little different. It's still nasty as fuck.

[1:57:49] That's the leaning back, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's horrible on your neck. Anything that attacks the spine and the fucking... Oh, they're horrible. My man couldn't tap fast enough, yeah. The executioner's the worst. Yeah, yeah. Because you've got rear naked hooks, and you've got the head... [1:58:03] back this way, and you're going like that. Yo, that's nuts. That's nuts. [1:58:09] Now, that's a catch wrestling thing, right? [1:58:12] Oh, that? I don't know, man. That sort of started popping up at 10th Planet at least, like in the 2000s, like 2003 or 2004. Epstein likes to call it the executioner. But he wasn't the only guy doing it. Like other guys had figured it out. So you're in North-South, which a lot of guys, you know – [1:58:30] That was back in the north. Oh, God. Yeah, this is it right here. [1:58:33] Bro, this is holy hell. When you're in rear naked choke position, but you have the arm wrapped like that, the amount of pressure on the spine is just crazy. It's crazy. You can paralyze him by that, don't you? A hundred percent. I'll shoot that to a fucking Long Island knucklehead. They'll be fucking making sure everybody's signing a waiver on that. But look at how nasty this is. Like, it's such a bad position to try to defend. You have no strength to defend it. [1:58:59] Yeah, that's a wrap. Hell. That's a wrap. And I don't see it in the UFC, and I don't understand why. [1:59:05] I think it's available. [1:59:07] I think some guys could get this. [1:59:09] I mean... [1:59:11] Not always, but there's a lot of times you're trying to fight the rear naked choke or you're trying to get the rear naked choke with the guys defending. If you switch to something like this, if you could find a way to get into a position like this, you're not going to defend that. Well, the truth is a lot of guys in the UFC or in MMA in general don't really practice jujitsu from that standpoint. Right. They do anti-jujitsu because they think that their chances of winning a fight on their feet are better. Right. So their idea is just like defend the takedown, get back to my feet.

[1:59:38] Or just use basic jujitsu. So stuff like this, it's available to them. [1:59:42] They don't know it, or they don't practice it enough for it to be instinctive for them to do it. The fact that they're just trying to get up to their feet is the first problem. Yeah, that's it. Because look at Gilbert Burns versus Damian Maia. Right. He made him match his jiu-jitsu a little bit, and he finds the opening. If he doesn't match his jiu-jitsu, he'll use that. But then he has to... [2:00:01] move a certain way, gives enough space to get to his feet. God, I've got to remember this guy's name. The guy who's the Bellator champion, who's from Ukraine, who's fighting in the UFC now, wants Amazon. Yeah, yeah. Bro. Yeah, you're Slav Amazov. What's that? Bro. I knew that was the name, but I didn't want to fuck it up, and I was panicking. Yeah. It's not easy to hear. Bro, you know when I really panic? Weigh-in days. Yeah. [2:00:22] You look at my face, I'm in a hot panic. I'll be feeling for you sometimes. He's going to forget the name. You don't bring the paper up? I do. I have to. Not only that, I have to listen to these fucking names over and over and over again. Of course. Some of that shit's coming. Zabit, Magamod, Sharapov. And Anik going to be mad at you if you mess it up. He's so good at it. He should be doing it. I should just give the microphone a name. He'll introduce the guy. I'll just interview people. [2:00:52] I do that on Unfiltered. I go, hey, Jimmy, who do we have next? It's a fucking crazy name. I just get the first name down. [2:00:59] Yurislaw is good. Yeah, he's good. He's good. His ground game is so sweet. Did you see him fight? [2:01:06] Which show? You see, pull up his last fight. Yeah, he beat a lighted jaw. Yeah. Back it up a little bit so you can see the takedown. Watch how he does this. Look at how beautiful this is. Bro. It's all in there. I mean, right into arm triangle. Look at this.

[2:01:23] Wow, that's a sick... Bro, and then he goes knee to the belly, too. Just crushing him. Did you see his setup for Neil Magny? Yes. Oh, man, he's so smooth, man. He's smooth. Dude, he put it on, Neil. Yeah. Yeah, and then he breakdances afterwards. Oh, he breakdances. Gotta have something. Actually, look at that, man. It's pretty good. A little windmill. Yeah. That guy can move. [2:01:46] And that guy's really good. He's dangerous. Old Sean Alvarez, he would be doing the windmill. He has one KO loss. That was Jason Jackson. Jason Jackson. Yeah, Jason Jackson knocked him out. He just put it on him. Jason Jackson just murdered him. Just ran across and beat him up. Yeah, I was talking to Big John and Josh Thompson on the podcast. They brought him up. He's the most unheralded, the most underappreciated of the guys that are out there. Jason Jackson? Yeah. Yeah. [2:02:15] So that's a problem when you're not in the UFC. That is. And if the UFC picks him up, I mean, it's going to be kind of late. [2:02:21] dig [2:02:21] through the rumble of his house to get his belt back. Holy shit. Jeez, that's nuts, man. That's crazy. That's nuts. [2:02:29] Puts shit in perspective real fast. Holy shit, dude. [2:02:33] How bad did he want that belt? For real, right? I mean, this dude went back to a war zone to get his belt. [2:02:39] A Bellator. This house got blown. Bellator. Bellator. Christ imagine it was a UFC belt. [2:02:44] I'd have left that phone book in there. That's so crazy. With his Bellator belt. [2:02:48] Fucking dudes good man. There's so many good guys now. It's crazy. It's just a it's a wild time for the sport man. Yeah, you know

[2:02:55] I like Big John. [2:02:57] You know one thing I don't like that he does? Uh-oh. [2:03:00] It always irks me. Big John McCarthy. When I won the title, he was my guy. But I hate this. I hate this. [2:03:09] Man, you... [2:03:10] As you fucking savages know, when you're in there, you're in a certain mindset, right? [2:03:16] You got a guy looking to do bodily harm to you. You're looking to fucking take him out any way possible. If there's a foul or something... [2:03:24] Now you're in this mindset. [2:03:26] So now you got this big fucking guy. Hey, what do you see? You see ugly? [2:03:33] Making jokes. Oh, yeah. Okay. Let me go back to this guy trying to kill me. Good one, Big John. [2:04:00] Fuck that! Every time he does it... [2:04:02] Oh, my God. There's something in me that makes me just be like, dude, is it about you? What the fuck's the matter with you? You're a good one, Big John. And you see the guys do it. Sometimes you see the guys go... [2:04:14] Oh, yeah, all right. Dude, fuck that. It's the same as the guy looking to give you a high five out there. Fuck that, too. That's boring. So, I mean, I don't know. It always irked me, and it just stuck out when his name came up. And he's not a bad guy. He's a great guy. I love him. But how about this? Now that you're back reffing, make a note of that, maybe.

[2:04:38] Make a note of that. Put your name in that. Yeah, I could have backed this. That would fuck with your head, right? [2:04:44] that joke god damn fuck i just got poked in the eye you see ugly bro i think they're getting a little bit better about warning people for fouls but not better about taking points they did for a little while it seemed like there was a little bit of pressure it was hot and they were like yeah yeah one point and everybody was like crowd cheered that's how it's got to be folks that's [2:05:09] I poke one point. [2:05:10] Don't poke eyes. You do this shit and you jab someone in the eyes, one point. One point. Yeah, no doubt. One point. Right away, you know not to do it. Sometimes it happens. Unfortunately, if it happens, you get a point taken away. Don't let it happen. And you go back to your corner and go, make sure you don't do that again. [2:05:24] Nut shot. One point. [2:05:26] Unintentional nun shot. [2:05:28] It's a warning. Because you could kick while I'm kicking. You hit me in the nuts. You weren't trying to hit me in the nuts. We just collided legs. That happens all the time. [2:05:37] The rough one is the call. The call is the back of the head when you're trying to put a guy away. Because he's moving his head. You're trying to hit him. It's hard, man. That's hard. That's hard. And that spot is a lot smaller than what most people think. Because we think about it. They just say the back of the head. So you're assuming that it's like anything back there. It's just the moho. It's like a little small piece. Isn't that crazy, though? Yeah. You kind of should be able to hit the back of the head. If everybody had the old A Osborne haircut. [2:06:04] It'd be okay. [2:06:06] Just don't get him. Just don't hit him in his hair. Bro, do you remember when Henzo fought, what was his name, Rikers? Ben Rikers? Yes. Spikers.

[2:06:17] And it showed, if you're allowed to elbow the back of the head, the rear mount. When Henzo got him. Bro. When Henzo was dropping bombs on him and then stepped on his neck. Put him to sleep with his jacket. With his gear. I remember that. I love that. It was awesome. [2:06:34] The beating he gave him before he choked him to sleep. The beating in the back of his head. Stop calling my fucking room all night long. The guy was being a prick before the night. He was a piece of shit. He did what he did? Oh, yeah. He was calling his fucking room, trying to wake him up. Like, had his people harassing Henzo. He was a dick. And that's why Henzo did that. Henzo went to greet him, and he said, oh, you have eyes like my girlfriend, but they're prettier. So Henzo's one of those guys that he can go from a smile to a fucking boha in a few seconds. [2:07:04] I mean, zero to 100 real quick. Well, and, you know, only if you're a dick. Oh, yeah, 100%. If you're not a dick, he's the nicest guy in the world. That position just shows you, if you're allowed to do that. Yeah, this is a show before that. Watch what he does before. Here it is. Once he gets the back mount, watch this. Boom! Boom! Man! I mean, dude, that's a wrap. You can only take... Imagine if that was in MMA. Why? Now, here's the thing. And then his dummy has a guillon. [2:07:34] Is it that much more dangerous? I mean, what we're doing is already dangerous. Right. And it also is very effective. So are we removing a very effective technique that would end fights? [2:07:44] And if so, are we doing it to protect the fighter?

[2:07:47] Because if we are, why are we allowing a lot of other stuff? Why are we allowing flying knees? Why are we allowing sidekicks to the knee? Why are we allowing wheel kicks to the head, heels to the head? [2:07:59] Hey, smack him in the face again. [2:08:01] Hey, nice fight. [2:08:06] I mean, there's a certain amount of things that we already allow that are so bad for you. It's like, why don't you allow a shot to the back of the head? I need it explained to me like I'm a child. Like, why is it okay to slam your elbow full blast into someone's temple? Yeah, but not this one. You could drive your elbow down into their eye socket. That's okay. But the back of the head is bad. [2:08:31] Knock someone out from the back of the head and you didn't mean to like a head kick like how many head kicks wrap around? Back of the head right? [2:08:39] Wonder Boy, and it's like his UFC debut. He goes over the shoulder, whap, back of the head, out cold. [2:08:44] Yeah. That shit always works. The back of the head brown kicks, that's a lot of times where they land. It's got to be a title. It's getting hit in the back of the head. It is a little different. How many times did Ernesto Hoos knock dudes out with back of the head head kicks? [2:08:59] In kickboxing. [2:09:01] A lot. All the time. For sure. I think that's how he knocked out Maurice Smith. I think he snuck it around over the shoulder and hit him in the back of the head. Yeah. [2:09:10] I mean... [2:09:11] I mean, anatomy is going to dictate that. That's what you're supposed to do. So that's legal? No one says, that's an illegal blow. My overhands, that's where they hit a lot.

[2:09:22] Fuck them. I'm facing you. What do you want me to do? This is what is part of the sport, right? Now, if that's legal and you get a KO win, if you head kick someone, you land them in the back of the head, that's always happened. Yeah. That's happened 100 times. [2:09:38] Amen. [2:09:39] I don't know. It's weird, right? It is. I mean, it's weird because... [2:09:44] I mean, now we're playing with all these different roles, and people don't like them. And it's just like, but I mean, you got to draw a line somewhere, I suppose. But see if you can find Ernesto Hoost. [2:09:54] K.O.'s Maury Smith. [2:09:57] Less rules shows who's the better fighter. [2:10:01] at the end of the day. But there's some rules that I'm like, okay, now you're getting – [2:10:06] of unrealistic [2:10:08] understanding of a position. Like when someone's in a turtle and you can't knee to the head. Yeah, to me, that one should be eliminated right away. You should be able to knee a guy in a head from that. Yeah, watch this. Look at that. Shit, there it is. [2:10:19] Right the back of the hand. Yep. Watch that again. Is it in slow motion? Is that what it is? Watch how slick this is. Ernesto. Look how close he is, too. Oh, man. Boom. [2:10:30] See how close he was? Crazy. I was like Billy Jack. Look at that. [2:10:34] Bro. [2:10:35] Yep. That is nice. So if that happened in the UFC, everybody would cheer. You couldn't say, hey, that's an illegal blow. [2:10:42] Right. Even though, technically, that's the spot where they can constitute a legal blow. Yeah, that's illegal. That's illegal. And wheel kicks happen like that all the time. All the time, because it's coming from that angle from behind. Whipping around, the guy tries to duck under, hits him right in the back of the head, and no one complains. It's weird. The referee never says, stop! No striking in the back of the head. Never happens. Ever. It's only when they're like, turn around, and they're throwing arm punches. Yeah, which is the least powerful shot.

[2:11:12] kick to the head. But the reality is if you were in that position and the guy could throw elbows to the back of the head that would be a wrap. [2:11:19] In that same position where you're on a guy's back and you're doing this kind of shit, instead, if you're just back of the head, boom, boom, like Henzo just did. Right. Hey, man, what about headbutts? Right. Right. [2:11:31] headbutts, not even standing up. Right. Like, when I'm in a clinch, I'm buried in... It's good for short guys. I fucking love you. When I get in that clinch... When I get in that clinch... Mark Coleman would get in your guard and headbutt the fuck out of you. And the only guy to solve that puzzle was Maurice Smith. Maurice Smith was the first guy to solve that puzzle. Ragged him out. Cardio. Cardio and defense off his back. Good butterfly guard. Mark Kerr murdered Fabio Gargell with headbutts, too. [2:12:01] when you were on top is brutal. Yeah, I was at that Maury Smith fight. That was the first fight I ever went to. Really? The UFC fight I ever went to. It was in Birmingham, Alabama. Really? I was there, yep. Wow. Bro, that was a huge upset. Yeah, I know. Big time. I was nervous. Everybody thought Cole Maurice would have taken him. I was nervous. I was in the crowd rooting for Maury Smith for obvious reasons. Well, I was friends. [2:12:23] And everybody, but I was the only one there rooting for Maury Smith. Yeah. I was friends with Maury's. Maury's came over to my house, worked out with him. [2:12:31] Nice guy. So I was sad. I was like, oh, my God, Maurice is going to fight Mark Coleman. You're going to get killed. I was like, he's 260 pounds. He's a wrestler. He takes everybody down. And then when Maurice was leg kicking him, he said, come on, Mark, ground me and pound me. Wap. Ground me and pound me. Wap. He was talking to him while he was doing it. And then when Mark would move towards me, move away. Yes. Yeah. Got my back in. Those leg kicks were brutal, too. Maurice was the first guy to bring, like, world-class leg kicks to the UFC. World-class.

[2:13:01] I said Pedro Hizzo. Yeah, Pedro Hizzo. Yeah. Paul Varlin. He had sick leg kicks. What's the Lions... [2:13:08] Pete, uh... [2:13:10] Pete Selle? I mean, Pete Trago Selle. Pete Williams. Pete Williams. Pete Williams knocked him out. He knocked him out the head kick. Who knocked him out first? Yeah. [2:13:18] I think Maurice beat him first. But Maurice beat him by decision, right? Wasn't it a five-round decision? I think it was a decision. I think it was a five-round. He just beat him up. Pete Williams caught him with a kick. Pete Williams' head kicks with shoes on. Yeah, the good old days. That's right. He had shoes on, yeah. Bro, what a crazy sport, man. I remember one of the first fights that I saw was this Japanese dude and Valigi. And they were grabbing each other's underwear. [2:13:46] Like you could hold up, he was giving him a wedgie. I think the dude he was fighting was literally grabbing his shorts and giving him a massive wedgie during the fight. Yeah, totally legal. It was totally legal. In the UFC? It was bare knuckle back then, too. The first fight I wore was bare knuckle. That was 97. I remember that. Vitor was the only guy that had gloves on. Was Vitor the first guy or Tank the first guy to wear gloves? Tank was one of the first guys, for sure. Tank might have been the first guy. I believe he was the first guy. And then Vitor wore him, too. [2:14:15] Vitor was, you know, bro, at 19 years old and Vitor first fought in the UFC, tornado.

[2:14:24] He just ran across the league fight. Like, holy shit, dude. I mean, definitely free to solder on that motherfucker. 100. He looked like the fucking Hulk. Well, not yet he didn't. When he first fought in the UFC, he only weighed 200 pounds. [2:14:36] He was so fat. When he fought Scott Perrozo, when he fought Trey Tellingman, he weighed 200 pounds. Then he gained tons of weight and fought Randy. And when he fought Randy, he was like 240. And that messed him up, too. He couldn't move. Oh, he was too big. Well, that was when Randy got cut. [2:14:51] In that one, remember? No, that was a different one. That was in the UFC later on for the light heavyweight title. Yeah, he cut his eye early. So this is Trey Tellegman. And Trey Tellegman, if you're watching this, lost his check in a peck, rather, in a car accident when he was a baby. That's crazy. Yeah, crazy. Crazy. [2:15:09] Oh, this is Brad Kohler. Yeah. This is a different fight. What is going on here? [2:15:14] Yeah. [2:15:16] Japan 1997 oh yeah this is that's not Japan 1997 it's UFC 12 actually Japan 97 was when Frank Shamrock fought Kevin Jackson remember any arm yeah this was that was pretty crazy [2:15:31] This is a different card. It's Ultimate Japan 97. UFC 12 is the fight. [2:15:38] I was just going off night. You remember the number? Yeah. Randy looks older there than he does now. [2:15:45] Peptides. It wasn't Japan, though. [2:15:49] I just heard you say something about Japan in 1997. That's all I typed in.

[2:15:55] No. No, there's a Japanese fighter is what I said. He fought Belize. Valid Ishmael. [2:16:01] It was either UFC 12 or UFC 13. [2:16:04] Waleed Ishmael UFC. If you find that, you'll find it. And the dude was giving him a super wedgie. [2:16:12] Because you were totally allowed to grab shorts. You could punch guys in the nuts. Keep acne punching Joe Son in his balls. Remember that? Dude, what about Gary Goodridge in The Crucifix? Oh, yeah. Here it is. Paul Herrera? So here it is. Look what the dude's done to Luigi's pants. Luigi's pants. Jesus. All the way up the crack of his ass. Because the dude had a hold of his shorts. [2:16:34] earlier in the fight rather than be mckenzie dern he's given the way [2:16:38] But here it is, dude. Here it is. Bro. Oil check. Bro. That's what I'm saying. Oh, my God. So this was my first UFC that I worked. Okay, so look. The Japanese guy has the gloves on as well. So Vitor had them on, but Valigi is bare knuckle. Look, you're allowed to grab it back then. Look at this. The Japanese guy has gloves. Valigi's bare knuckle. [2:16:59] it's hilarious isn't that crazy he's really grabbing his balls grabbing his nuts i think you could grab nuts it's gotta be so uncomfortable hey look at he's grabbing a fence it's like yeah [2:17:09] Pull on grabbing the fence. And Big John's trying to pry his hands away. He just grabs him again. He just don't even let go. [2:17:15] At least back then, I guess you couldn't grab the fence, so there was a rule. He's grabbing it again. Look at the grab. Look at the grab. That is the most blatant footprints grabbing of all time. I see ugly right there. Bro. Big John. Get on it. John. John. Slap his hands away, John. Do something.

[2:17:32] Johnny's grabbing the fence. [2:17:35] It was like a suggestion back then. It was not even a rule. You allowed to grab the fence back then. I think he knocked his hands away. He was saying, don't grab the fence. Yeah. [2:17:43] But only like a little. He's kind of not that enthusiastic about enforcing it. And it was like as he was letting go already, he was like slapping his hand away. Right back and grabbed it. Yeah, that was the first UFC I worked. The rules back then were so weird. Shoes, wrestling shoes. It's weird how you, you know, like wrestling shoes would change everything. You get so much more grip on the cage. So much more ability to move. [2:18:06] But the wrestlers would love it. More foot locks. Yeah, that would be a problem. Oh, heel hooks would be a real problem. When I first started training, I remember with Kukuk back in the day, he used to wear wrestling sneakers and stuff. And I'm going to be like, you know, I wanted as much for the street as possible. I remember that was my mentality. So I'd wear the wrestling sneakers. I'm like, yo, fuck this. Guys are grabbing your foot. I'm like, yo, fuck that. It also like lose your whole field. Setting up arm bars and stuff. Like when you try to grab the foot and throw it over it. [2:18:36] that's like text, textile. Like, you could hold on to that motherfucker. A foot is, foot's hard to hold on to. They get sweaty and shit. They're all slippery. Nah, no good. You know, when I hear a little Jens Pover, I was like, he gonna wear shoes? Right. Oh, word? That was, hey, Jamie, can you find Dean Thomas' rolling knee bar on Jens Pover? Oh, it was beautiful. I bet they don't even have that. I think Jamie can find that. Oh, it has to be online. Everything's online. Hey, Dean Thomas. Those fights?

[2:19:06] Those old fights, I mean, those are history. I'm a shooter-fighter, you know. I remember seeing that interview. You remember seeing it? I studied it because I was going to fight you. Oh, okay. [2:19:13] And I'm like, ah, try that knee bar on me, motherfucker. Jens Pulver had some laser beam punches back in the day. I know. I remember when he knocked out John Lewis. Ooh, I was like, I got to fight this guy. Sure, that was a bad one. Jens Pulver. You got him in his prime, too. Yeah, but I did not want that guy punching me. Yeah, you can't be wearing shoes. It's just a knee bar. Yeah. Yeah. [2:19:34] It's just too much. [2:19:36] Too much of an advantage. That was an old school one, too. You did it almost like you're going to give your back to him and he fucking rolled. I think you should let him. Look at this. Look at this. Here it is. Look at this. Who is that fucking youngster? Look how it's lean. Oh, man. This is nasty. Inside heel hook and shoes. Inside heel hook with shoes on. That's a wrap. That's the worst. He has no way to. Tap, tap, tap. You should have tapped a long time ago. Thomas. Oh, my God. That must have hurt. What did it feel like? Did you feel a bust? I heard all the pop. [2:20:03] How bad was the injury? I don't know. [2:20:06] I never called him afterwards, but... [2:20:07] It had to be real bad, dude. It had to be real bad. [2:20:12] With the shoes and everything. Like, my God. Look at that. Look how you rolled into that. That's so pretty. Look at you. Look at you. Right into the inside. Look. [2:20:19] Oh my God, he knows he's fucks Bill. [2:20:23] I heard it pop you mean Dean Thomas yeah I heard that pop a few times that's awesome [2:20:31] How good does that feel? [2:20:32] It feels good. [2:20:34] I've watched myself get knocked out by BJ Penn over and over and over for years. I'm like, about time I get one. Come on. Those heel hook ones are the ones that you – While you're watching them, you're grabbing them. Yeah, you know. You're already – you're like –

[2:20:46] I hate them [2:20:47] I hate them with a passion. Yeah. Because they ruin your whole career. Hey, did you ever see a Kimura dislocate? Oh, yeah. Well, I saw... That's just ugly, man. It's like you almost want to push it back in. You're like... Frank Mir. Right? Oh, dude. Oh. That... Straight jiu-jitsu tournament, I'd snap the dude's humor. It's just like straight up key locks. Because he didn't tap. My coach is yelling, like, protect your fighter. Oh. Jesus. God, that's horrible. And you don't recover fully from that. [2:21:17] surgery. Sounded like a [2:21:19] pool stick snapping. I'll never forget the sound of Weidman. Oh, my God. That's like a chalkboard. Never forget that sound. I remember that. That one was so loud. That wasn't in the corner for that one. It was so loud. [2:21:37] Anderson does it to, you know, he does it to Anderson, and then it fucking happens to him, too. It's only happened to four guys in the UFC. It's scary. [2:21:46] Conor's one. Corey Hill's the first one. I remember the Corey Hill one because the referee didn't see it. And I put my headphones on. I'm screaming, stop the fight, stop the fight. He passed away. Stop the fight. Did he? Yeah. Young. [2:21:59] Yeah. Was it related to that? No, I think he has some kind of disease. [2:22:02] Bro, a break of a bone is a traumatic injury. You have to understand, there's such a difference between breaking your hand, which I think we've all done. I broke my arm when I was a little kid. Breaking your shin in half like that, it's such a traumatic injury. Stepping down on it and it just gives up. How about Frank Mir? Broke his femur in a car accident. A guy T-boned him on a motorcycle, snapped his thigh bone.

[2:22:29] Well, Frank wasn't the same for years. [2:22:32] him to come back to full form again. That's rough, man. [2:22:36] So this is the other question about Connor. How much can he use that left leg? [2:22:41] His left leg snapped in half. [2:22:44] Okay. And I see him kicking the bag and I see him doing all these things and that's great. And I hope it's a hundred percent, but I mean, I seen Chris Wyman kicking heck the Lombard. [2:22:55] they had a weird thing where I think it's only body punches and leg kicks you see what I'm talking about? you know what I'm talking about? but it wasn't jiu-jitsu they did jiu-jitsu too they were allowed to leg kick and body punch it was the oddest thing I just saw Chris just kicking him and Hector was like punching him in the neck I'm like what the fuck kind of rules is this? it's crazy [2:23:20] I didn't know what I was watching. Those ones where the dudes stand next to each other and just leg kick each other into submission. Oh, yeah. That shit's pretty nasty. That's so crazy. Who does that? I don't know, man, but there's a lot of those videos. It's almost as dumb as slap. [2:23:36] Almost. I mean, kind of almost, because you could really ruin your life. You don't understand. Pedro Hizzo, one of those kind of guys. Could you imagine doing that with Pedro Hizzo? Look at the damage Hizzo did to Randleman's leg. That shit had a different vein pattern. Randy Couture. After he got done with him. Randy Couture, it was like six months for him to recover. Two fights. I remember this year in an MMA fight. Goddamn, man. In a heavyweight fight. Oh, Jesus. Are we going to have to eat later, man? Fuck.

[2:24:06] He's sick. [2:24:07] It's a horrible, horrible injury, man. [2:24:10] And I know how hard Chris kicks... [2:24:12] Mongo was like backstage. He was killing the pads. It was hard to hold them. That's such a great impression. Then he went out there and Jesus. Wogan's making me feel bad for being 68. Oh, yeah. He was telling me. He's so funny. Then he was asking about a peptide. I have to text him later. He's the best. He's the best. [2:24:31] You two together, I swear to God, it should be a show. Come on. It should be a show. Just fucking follow them around. Yeah, just follow you guys around. Follow you to the pizza place. I've seen it yesterday. It'd be a great fucking show. It'd be a great fucking show. Are you kidding me? It really would. You get one of them keep it up with Kardashians people who know how to do a reality show. Film the two of you guys together hanging out, drinking coffee, talking shit, training fighters. Oh, a thousand percent. Yeah. Epic. Epic. [2:24:55] I mean, don't wait too long. He's getting older. And also, think about how many guys you've worked with, like super high level guys like Aljo and Marab and, you know, just that. And Weidman. Being with them and Weidman, being with them at the UFCs. Yeah. We have a great fucking show. Kidding me? We have a good time. Who's best to have mics on in the corner than those two? Come on. Guys are the best. It's so funny. I like that. [2:25:19] comedians are making comedies again. I'm looking at Holland. This is Holland Williams. Yeah. Holland Williams. He put a gourd in his fucking underwear. I love that guy. Oh, my God. I think that guy's hysterical. With the fake legs. He's so funny, man. His movie, you know, I love movies. His movie Wingman. [2:25:35] It's funny. It's funny. Of course it's funny. He's funny in everything he does. Yeah. I miss those. Him and Nasty Nate. Yeah. You know what it is? These comedians are now funding it themselves, like Theo Vaughn and David Spade, the Busboys. Yes. Tom Segura's doing a bunch of shows like that, too. Theo and David Spade did one together. Yeah. Theo's real-life Joe Dirt, so that's a... You know, I like that they're just doing it where they don't have to get okayed by anybody. Yeah. And the other one, I keep...

[2:26:05] him what to do. How to fucking be in a cult. How to start a cult with the Greek guy, the heavy set Greek guy. Is that Stavros? Yeah. That's a funny one. Dude. That one made me fucking laugh. Stavros is very funny. He's from Baltimore and he does a Baltimore Ravens fan after every win or loss during the season. You have to fucking see it because it's fucking hilarious. Very funny dude. Yeah, man. I like this. It's a good time for comedy because there's like pushback. [2:26:35] when there's pushback, then people get excited when someone doesn't give into it, and they make their own shit. But if you want to try to make a comedy movie with a studio, you have to deal with so many people telling you what you can and can't say. You're way better off just doing it on your own. Like, they don't really know what funny is. They're trying to protect their job. They have a Mercedes. Man, they were cranking them out for a while there, like Talladega Nights and fucking Tropic Thunder. You know what happened? The fucking internet happened. People started complaining in real life. [2:27:05] view comedy [2:27:07] So ridiculous. Meanwhile, it didn't affect the way we view violence, which is crazy. Like, you could have a super hyper-violent movie and nobody has a problem with it, right? Yeah, more now. It's the dumbest shit of all time. But if you have some crazy... Like, if you tried to make a movie like... [2:27:22] Like super bad. [2:27:24] fucking hilarious to try to make that today couldn't make it you couldn't make it tell or tropic thunder trying to make traffic thunder make it fucking robert downey jr straight and blackface straight and black and then ben stiller full retard yeah i asked him i said do you think robert downey jr i said do you think you could make that movie videos

[2:27:45] Oh, you could, mate. [2:27:49] Most of it, right? The 80s comedy is about... [2:27:53] guy's trying to get laid i mean the premise alone is not gonna make it right you know what i mean it's funny man it's like we're allowed the most hyper violent movies and celebrate them oh this is awesome like i just watched collateral again the other day oh what a fucking love that's awesome we watched the scene in the in one of the one of the episodes we did we watched that scene where shoots those guys in the alley and i got so into it i don't need to watch that movie again [2:28:23] But comedy, let's make you laugh. [2:28:28] Isn't there spoilers? I don't want to spoil it, but doesn't Jamie Foxx kill him or something at the end? Well, in the end, he dies. Well, I mean, he dies somehow, but isn't it kind of unbelievable that he kills the man, the assassin, the taxi driver? I think he wanted to die. I think when you kill a bunch of people over a long period of time... Oh, it's one of those? It's deeper than that? You wait for your turn. You know, it's supposed to be Russell Crowe and Adam Sandler in that movie, originally. Are you serious? That's crazy. Interesting. I think one of them dropped off. Yeah, right. That's interesting. [2:28:57] I'll tell you what, Tom Cruise was good. Phenomenal. He's pretty much good in everything. Dude, they say they used that clip. [2:29:03] of him in that alley for training, like CIA motherfuckers. Because it was sat clean. Do you know the scene? No. Oh, one of my favorite scenes. I've got to watch Jamie pull it up. One of my favorite scenes in any movie. Two idiots.

[2:29:16] I love a good tactical draw. Because I love a guy who practices. It's underrated. It's a fucking... It's a live, die, repeat. Yes! The Tom Cruise one. It might have been called something else. Edge of Tomorrow. Yeah. [2:29:29] What is it? Edge of Tomorrow. Yes. Is that the space line? It was really good. It kept coming back, coming back. This is a scene. So Jamie Foxx is strapped to the car. He's zip-tied him to the steering wheel and took the keys. [2:29:42] Oh. That's fine. But you can't have a bunch of guys trying to get laid. That's unrealistic. You're sending a bad message. [2:29:50] Spring break. I never thought of it that way, actually. It's ridiculous. [2:29:56] the comedians like rebuttal to it. [2:29:59] to not being able to make the movies they want to make. Well, it's only empowered the clubs. Clubs are packed. Everybody wants... Because you go to the mothership, you're going to hear some wild shit. People want to laugh. They don't... [2:30:11] It doesn't mean you mean what you're saying. Right, right, right. It's a joke. Bob Marley didn't really shoot the sheriff. Right. It's like, what you're doing is fucking around. We all know. We've always been talking shit. Talking shit has been a natural part of humans. We talk shit. We joke around. And the idea that that's supposed to be up to someone's standards or someone else's parameters of what you can and can't talk. Fuck you. Fuck you. Just don't go. Just don't go watch it. [2:30:41] kind of brought it back. In a big way. [2:30:43] Yeah, in a big way. [2:30:44] Yeah, the Tom Brady roast, I think, cracked the egg because that thing got like 55 million views on Netflix alone, like within the first week. Joe, can I get that water, please? Yeah. Are people still getting canceled now? I think it's kind of past. I think it doesn't work. You can't because everybody can just – people get mad. Put your own stuff on. Yeah. You can just do your own stuff. Well, it's also when people get canceled, people just flock to those people now. Yeah. It makes them more popular. Yeah. Look at Kanye. Kanye is selling out the biggest fucking places in the world doing pop-up shows. Yeah, yeah. He's doing arena pop-up shows.

[2:31:14] he just did one in Miami a couple weeks ago my son went to it he's doing one this weekend in San Antonio really? just a pop-up show Tony Hinchcliffe just went to the one in Tampa he said it was insane this is the greatest show he's ever seen in his life [2:31:27] He's on top of a world. He's standing on top of a globe. And like it's spinning while he's up there doing two and a half hours of... [2:31:35] bangers. Yeah. Like you, you realize, Tony goes, you realize how many hits this guy has. Who is it? [2:31:40] Kanye motherfucking ass. Oh, Kanye. Yeah. Shit. Otherwise known as Ye. Yeah. That's right. Yeezy. Yeah, no one wants to do a versus battle against Kanye. No. He's going to eat you up. He's so prolific. Yeah. And Tony said that every aspect of the show he produced. So every sound has a purpose, every lighting effect. It's all coordinated. He said it's amazing. He's a genius. Legit. Crazy as fucking a shithouse rat. But that's how you have to be. He's out there. [2:32:10] 100%. You don't get that good by being normal. He's too good. Normal's overrated. The guy comes back from wearing a diamond encrusted swastika. [2:32:24] *knock* [2:32:24] to selling out the biggest arenas in the world. He has a song called Heil Hitler. A year later, he's selling out the biggest arenas in the world, like instantaneously. You know, he's the GOAT. [2:32:36] Like, no one's even close. [2:32:38] He's like one of the greatest performers of all time. Yeah. [2:32:40] No one's even close. With the stuff that he does, he can compare it to his contemporaries. He's out on it. Yeah, he's so far ahead of everybody else. Out there. Prince was like that, too. All the hits he had and all the hits he's written for people. Yeah, man. When that Freddie Gray shit happened in Baltimore, he called the city and wanted to do a benefit concert or whatever.

[2:33:02] And I was able to go to it. [2:33:03] And at one point on the stage, he's doing all these songs and he goes, God damn, I forgot all the good shit. And then he kept going. But the best story was on soundcheck, like he tunes. Everything's got to be the way he wants it. [2:33:20] And, uh... [2:33:21] Jay-Z, Beyonce, and somebody else. I don't know who the third person was, but they were going to come and be part of it. So they asked him if he could come. He's like, yeah, sure. So when they came, they started to go on stage for soundcheck. And a friend of mine at the building said, Prince is like, whoa. [2:33:39] What are you doing up on the fucking stage? And they're like, oh, you know, we want to get our shit straight. And he goes, no, this is my shit. You want to come and be a part of it? Fine. If not, get the fuck off the stage. Whoa. And they walked in and left and got out of there. Well, you got to be careful with other stars because they do like the metal. Yeah. I went like this. Yeah. I want the lighting. And that dude, you know, shit was getting done how he wanted it done. A hundred percent. It has to be. He was too good. Yeah. He's a fucking genius. [2:34:09] at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Oh, my God. [2:34:12] He could do anything. Yeah. He could play any musical instrument. He used to play all the musical instruments. [2:34:16] And he could play basketball [2:34:19] Yeah. Yeah. [2:34:21] Did you watch that Michael Jackson? I didn't. Michael Jackson. I saw it. [2:34:25] Did you watch it? I did, yeah. How was it? I thought it was good. Ray liked it. You didn't see it yet? I didn't see it. Oh, it's good. No, it's good. But Longo watched it, and then he told me. You know what he told me? What?

[2:34:35] I mean, it's a good thing, I guess. After he's seen it, he goes, he didn't touch any kids. [2:34:42] I'll tell you right now, he didn't fucking touch any kids. So I'm like, what, Longo? So I want to know your thoughts on it. That's hilarious. No, because his father was fucked up. Yeah, his father was fucked up. No, it's a good movie, and the guy who played it, his nephew, nailed it. [2:34:58] Yeah, man. Nailed my life. My family loved it. My wife, my kids, they loved it. [2:35:03] I didn't see it, though. [2:35:04] It's a cautionary tale. [2:35:06] The Michael Jackson story is like when kids get that famous, no one can handle it. That's what that is. Yeah, yeah. There's also the weirdness of the doctor saying that he was chemically castrated. Yeah. [2:35:15] Thank you. [2:35:16] His doctor, the same guy that killed him. The same guy that killed him with the profanol. The guy that put him to sleep with... [2:35:21] Yeah. Anesthesia? Uh-huh. That guy said that when he was young, his father chemically castrated him to preserve his voice. Are you serious? Yeah. They didn't get into that part. Which totally makes sense. When you look at him in comparison to all the other guys in his family, he's really thin. Like, he has no testosterone. I never really thought about that. All the brothers are all big men. They're men. Like, you look at Jermaine. For sure. They're big men. He's really thin, and he kept that high-pitched voice.

[2:35:51] in the human nature. Like, that voice is insane. Yeah. We can't play it on the show, but Jamie, play Human Nature by Michael Jackson real quick. [2:35:59] Why did Varus get plump on Game of Thrones when he cut off his balls? Well, I don't think that was real. [2:36:08] There's also dragons in there. You can still get fat. [2:36:10] But you can't – you know, you don't get muscle. Right. [2:36:14] Like, you don't have any testosterone. It's gone. You're a unit. They probably weren't feeding that guy either to keep him thin so he could dance. Right. Oh, man. Well, also, he's probably performing every night. Every night. So he's burning off shit tons of calories. They put a Fitbit on that dude, the amount of steps that he's taking. Dude, it's pretty crazy. Like, I'm a front man for a band. Fucking running. They're doing it all night long. We're going to play this song. Human Nature. Ooh, the official music video. Oh, man. That voice. I don't think you get that voice from a man. No. [2:36:44] A regular man that has a testicle. How do you chemically castrate somebody? The same way that they do it with puberty blockers that they use on kids. Just like pills and stuff? No. Like when they do puberty blockers, that's what puberty blockers do. Yeah. What they're doing is they're just blocking all of your testosterone production. And so they used to do it to criminals. So if they had a sex offender, they would chemically castrate them. I'm all for that. Yeah. Chop their dicks off. Just eliminate them. We just eliminate them. Yeah. [2:37:14] But the the chemically castration thing these do with opera singers they call them castratos and they but not chemically castrated these use a knife chop their balls off when they were young so that they could sing like like a woman.

[2:37:28] It was a very haunting sound. Like, there's only one recording of a castrato that's from, like, Jimmy, when was it from? Like, the 1800s? [2:37:35] Amen. [2:37:36] Wow, really? There's one recording of a guy singing that had no balls. And then they do it to him when they're really young. They do it to him when they're kids. No kidding. Yeah, like your family sells you off to some opera, and they slice your balls off and keep you that way forever. Ugh. [2:37:51] Man. Crazy. Damn. [2:37:54] Yeah. And the sound. Find that castrato recording. The sound is haunting, man. You hear the guy singing and he creeps you out. [2:38:02] You're like, oh my God, this guy was a little boy, and they cut his balls off so he could sing like this. [2:38:07] Oh, that's so... [2:38:09] Yeah, and I think that's what they did to Michael Jackson. [2:38:12] and [2:38:13] Well, at least that's what the doctor says. It makes sense. I mean, it makes sense like even watching a movie how hard his father was on him and how much he demanded of him. [2:38:21] Oh, man, you're going to creep us out now. Listen to this guy's voice. Okay. Oh, Jesus Christ. That's depressing. But we know that that was an actual process. That was an actual practice that really did chop boys' brains. [2:38:34] Falls off so they could sing better. Went from happy human nature to sound like somebody was fucking dying. I know. It's really nuts if you think about the horrible things that people are willing to do. It's not disproving it or anything. It's just the guy saying he went to search where they were doing it. And I think he said he was having very trouble, a lot of trouble finding. [2:38:52] A lot of information. About Castratos? Yeah, and where they did it or how they did it. [2:38:56] But they hide that. I was chopping nuts off. Oh, yeah. Let me take you to the lab.

[2:39:06] We'll show you what we do with the balls. Are you doing those peptides? Many eunuchs were castrated after puberty, and thus castration had no effect on their voices. Oh, that's a eunuch, though. Oh, that's just puberty. Oh, after puberty, then, yeah. Right. So you've got to catch them young. Yeah, right. You've got to catch them before they... [2:39:24] They grow their nuts. That's so horrible. It says it goes back to 400 AD, but... [2:39:29] boy Constantinople [2:39:32] Boy. [2:39:33] Who came up with that idea? I have an idea. Right? [2:39:40] I mean, how many of them died from an infection from getting their nuts chopped off, you know? Probably a lot. You know? Back then, they didn't even know what fucking cooties were. They had no idea. Yeah, they didn't clean the night. Come on. Yeah. No. Disgusting. It started off as a punishment. It wasn't a choice. And then they realized, these guys sing really nice in prison. [2:40:01] It's kind of cool. [2:40:03] They sing in the shower. I really like it. Oh, mine. Gentlemen, this was a lot of fun. [2:40:11] As always. We always have such a good time. Matt, how are you feeling? Why me? [2:40:18] Why out of everybody are you asking me? 100 milligrams. [2:40:21] You're right. Handle like a boss? Like a boss. Give me another. Your eyes are a little thin. I was going to say, some Italian looks a little Asian right now. My Italian. My Italian. [2:40:32] Guys. You handled it. I had a great time. It's always fun. Let's go eat.

[2:40:36] Is it Italian? We can go wherever we want. But what did you want? Did you want to do Italian? Let's cut this off. [2:40:46] Matt Serra, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Matt Serra channel on YouTube. That too. [2:40:51] Yeah. And you can actually train at Matt's gym. Yeah. He can come there, too. But subscribe to that thing. Subscribe to that. Yeah. Ground Control. Yep. Ground Control USA dot com has all the locations. We just opened in Stewart, Florida and Shogun Fights dot com. Next show is November 14th. Dean Thomas, fight expert slash movie producer. Slash. Deep Waters every Monday. Myself, Jorge Masvidal, Chris Weidman and Dustin Poirier. Monday at noon. Deep Waters on Paramount Plus. [2:41:21] your film. And my film, Flowers. It's coming out soon. I loved it. I loved it. I seen it. I loved it. [2:41:29] Phenomenal ending. Gentlemen, we did it. Another one. Thank you, buddy. Thank you, guys. Bye, everybody.