The Bluegrass Mystery

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[01:48] She wrote how scared she was. And then the phone recordings. I'm done. I'm done with you. You're a monster. I was terrified. Any day might be her last. A phone, a diary, secret recordings, all clues she left behind. Could a missing mom help solve her own mystery? I'm Lester Holt, and this is Dateline. [02:18] Here is Blaine Alexander with the Bluegrass Mystery. [02:35] And to me, she was perfect. [02:39] She loved me. She cared for me. [02:43] She made me feel safe, happy, and loved. It's a beautiful song. It was the only thing Alex Jackson could give his mother. His words, loving memories. [02:56] captured on tape. My mom deserved peace. She deserved safety. She deserved to live without fear. The depth of that fear, we'll likely never know. But we do know that on October 20th, 2019, Ella Jackson vanished from her home in Richmond, Kentucky.

[03:27] The first sign of trouble came when Ella's husband, Glenn, called 911. [03:32] I haven't heard through my wife in over 24 hours. He said his wife of seven years left a day earlier while he was at the dog park with their five-year-old son, Alex. Okay, is the child with you? Yes, yes, and he's fine. Everything's great. I don't personally think anything is wrong, but I heard on the show a while back that you don't wait three or four days to report somebody missing. Right. Has she ever done this before? [04:02] weeks, but it's been a long time since she did. [04:12] Glenn made it very clear that she wasn't missing, that she just left, which [04:17] That in and of itself... [04:19] isn't [04:20] a crime and that's not a cause for an investigation. [04:23] And so from that, really nothing happens. Right. That is until the next day when they got another 911 call. Hi, I need a wellness check done on my mom. I'm sorry, welfare. What's going on with her? Um, I last heard anything from her on Sunday. The call was from Philip Hans, Ella's 29-year-old son from another marriage. I sent her a message yesterday. [04:53] I mean, I talk to her every day all day long. [04:56] I just want to know that she's okay. If she's even there.

[05:00] This time, dispatch sent Officer Walker Crace and his partner to Glenn and Ella's home. So when I first got here, it was just like this. This dorm door was closed, but the main door was open. [05:14] We knock and announce and we do a sweep of the residence. No one was home and there were no obvious signs of foul play. So they did some basic background checks on the couple. [05:24] Glenn was a respected English lecturer at a nearby college. [05:28] Everybody's familiar with him, especially people that are local, especially people that go to Eastern Kentucky University. [05:35] They learned Ella was Russian and had immigrated from Ukraine to the U.S. about 15 years earlier. From what we had learned, she has no family here. She is not from here. So at this point in time, we have Miss Jackson is gone. [05:49] No one knows where she's at. The officers later found Glenn back at the home. [05:56] The couple's young son, Alex, was playing outside. What kind of games you play? I just play a lot of woodlots. Glenn said he was now getting concerned. When his wife had left before, she had always checked in by this point. And the fact that she didn't even call to yell at me. Didn't respond to my texts, my message, or eventually my email. [06:19] Bye. [06:19] And that's happened before, but on that for a few hours. Glenn added that on the day she left, he overheard her on a lengthy Skype call with someone overseas. [06:29] She was speaking Russian, but he did make out a few words in English.

[06:39] Police also called Ella's adult son, Philip, and asked him to come to the house, but to wait at the top of the driveway. [06:46] After he arrived, Officer Kreis tried to reassure him. I'm pervary. I honestly feel like it's nothing foul. [06:54] But Phillip said he was worried and confused after trying to reach his mom, when all of a sudden, her phone appeared to be back online. [07:12] Her phone turned on. It started ringing. There was no answer. Philip hadn't arrived alone. He brought along a man named Jason Hans, Ella's ex-husband. Many times she has contacted me when something happens. She was feeling... [07:29] upset [07:30] unsafe uh [07:32] needing someone to talk to. [07:35] Investigators felt something wasn't right, but couldn't put a finger on it. Not yet. It's a lot of circumstantial things. Nothing to say anybody's guilty, but definitely something to tell us [07:47] Something's going on here. [07:49] All three men were brought to the station for further questioning. Phillip was on your radar. Everybody was on our radar. This is... When you learned that detail about Ella's ex-husband, what did you think? I thought, oh man, that's not good. Especially when I learned exactly what took place surrounding her murder. Now, police would zero in on Ella's inner circle. Everything okay? Any other reason why you're on your knees right now?

[08:17] No, I'm sorry. I'm a teacher, so I get down to talk to students. [08:38] Richmond, Kentucky. Population about 40,000. [08:44] Is nestled among the rolling hills of the bluegrass state. Here, the bourbon is strong and horse farms are king. For people who've never been here, what is this community like? [08:56] Richmond, I call it one of the [08:59] Smallest big town you'll ever be in. Huh. [09:02] It's got the small town feel where everybody knows everything that's going on. [09:08] Rodney Richardson is the police chief. Ella Jackson was missing, but so far there were no signs of a crime. Still, investigators wanted to know more about three men in her life, her ex, her son, and her husband, Glenn. What do you come to learn about Glenn? Just his standing in the community. [09:26] He was teaching college kids, just being the average husband in a quiet little community. [09:32] whose wife had walked away. And that's what Glenn told investigators. What do you think happened to her? Where do you think she's at? [09:41] I don't know. Going to get her mother is my best guess because it's lights up so nice on time. He said after overhearing Ella's Skype call, he thought she might have gone to meet her mother, possibly in Russia. Glenn told police he cared about his wife and wanted her home soon.

[10:02] and we were together five years before we got married. [10:05] um [10:06] I've just always been horribly serious about it. [10:09] marriage. They just always seemed absolutely happy and just full of, you know, love and seemed like a wonderful couple. Joe Hamm thought the world of his close buddy Glenn. He kind of had all the [10:22] All the chicks, you know, as far as being a good neighbor, being somebody that you could rely on. It just provides a cycle warmth and just a sense of belonging and connection. Dana Caproni was one of Ella's best friends. Do you remember what she first told you about him? [10:37] You know, she's falling for [10:39] Him... [10:40] He's... [10:40] He's kind, he's a professor. - Does she seem excited about him? [10:44] Yeah, I think she was giddy. [10:48] And these home videos captured that giddiness. That's Ella laughing off camera with baby Alex and Glenn. A seemingly perfect family picture. [11:00] JoLynn Stevenson says she and Ella evolved from neighbors to confidants. [11:06] What was your first impression of Ella? Soft-spoken. Very easy to smile. She had a comfort about her, like, you know, good old Southern cooking or something. She wasn't nice. [11:19] I feel like there's a difference between nice and kind. Nice is very surface level. [11:23] But she would go, "How are you?" [11:27] And she would wait for that real answer. She really wanted to know. She wanted to know. [11:31] She cared. Right.

[11:34] In fact, Ella was a friend to many, including her ex-husband Jason. [11:40] They met in 2003 when he was traveling in Ukraine, where Ella was living after a recent divorce. [11:47] She's like the most intelligent woman I've ever met. That's something that really stood out to you. Yeah, absolutely. [11:54] Jason and Ella got married and moved to the U.S. with her young son, Phillip. [11:59] Jason was a professor at the University of Kentucky. [12:03] Their marriage ended after five years. He said they just couldn't make it work. To have two people who are married go through a divorce, but then still remain very close, very present in each other's lives. [12:15] close friends, [12:17] You don't see that very often. Yeah. [12:19] I didn't want to be married to her, but I still loved her. Jason had remarried, but was he still in love with Ella? [12:28] That's something Glenn wondered, too. [12:31] Have you ever questioned that she might be doing something that would be adultery-wise as far as your guys' relationship? I have. [12:39] - I have, and including her. [12:41] Most recent ex-husband, she talks to him regularly. When we were outside the house that night... I do know you guys were pretty tight. From what I can gather, y'all very close. The police officer asked me, knowing our past and our relationship and that we remain close and so on, you know, he's like, you know, sometimes couples who break up, they... [13:03] get back together for flings or whatever. Do you know that she might have ran all the way out for her? No.

[13:11] She's... [13:11] Shh. [13:13] How to say? [13:15] You can tell me how you got to tell me. I'm just no, see, that's not. [13:19] Her character? While the officer never directly asked Jason if he was sleeping with Ella, Jason understood what he meant. You know, were you guys sort of fooling around? What's going on here? And you can kind of see in his questioning that he's trying to see what were you up to? Yeah. That was only the beginning of the questions police had for Ella's ex. [13:41] especially after they discovered something about his first wife. [13:47] You talk to her ex-husband, [13:48] and find out that his previous wife was murdered, in a case that is still unsolved. [13:54] I mean, does that just kind of stop you in your tracks? Sure. It's enough to raise our eyebrows. [14:24] for the biggest event of the summer, SummerSlam. I know, I can't wait. There's nothing better to do while we're waiting than playing Chumbo Casino. Sign up today and you can win a VIP experience. With Chumbo Casino and with WWE for SummerSlam. So what are you waiting for? Play Chumbo Casino and enter for your chance to win. Let's Chumbo, yeet! No purchase necessary. VGW Group, void where prohibited by law. CT&C's 21 Plus, sponsored by Chumbo Casino. Hey guys, Willie Geist here, reminding you to check out the Sunday Sit-Down Podcast.

[14:54] I get together with one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, Matt Damon, as he leads the highly anticipated and truly epic Christopher Nolan movie, The Odyssey. You can get my conversation with Matt for free wherever you download your podcasts. [15:21] People are reported missing every day, and people come back or they make contact with a family member, so then we know what happened to them. But that hadn't happened with Ella Jackson. At some point does this shift to maybe she ran away to maybe something was done to her? Yeah, I think it does. [15:42] that left a child behind. Her car that was still there with her purse still in it. Car keys were still there. They had asked Glenn about that. How would she leave if her car is at the house now? Well, I always say that she did pick up what she has done before. Who's picking her up? [15:59] She says that she calls Uber. I never noticed a deal from that or anything, but she talked about it. And there was something else. Ella hadn't taken her phone with her. Glenn said he found it the day after she went missing and turned it over to police. [16:16] Almost everybody. We're connected with our phone and... [16:20] Most of us wouldn't leave our phone behind. You don't go five feet without taking your phone with you. Mm-mm.

[16:25] 48-year-old Ella Jackson has been missing since Sunday afternoon. Police had added Ella to the missing persons database, and after five days with no sign of her, Chief Richardson decided it was time to ask the public for help. We're concerned. We're deeply concerned. But like I said, we're going to eventually find out what happened to Ms. Jackson. In those first days, what message were you trying to get across? Yes. [16:47] We're looking for any information that anybody has. As the search for Ella grew, even Glenn called the police tip line. I'm worried about the missing poster that I just saw for my wife, Ella Jackson. Uh-huh. He'd spotted something wrong. The problem is one of the two pictures is not my wife. It's someone else in her family, and I'm worried that that is not going to help locate her. Family and friends were doing everything they could to find out what happened to Ella. [17:16] We went to the places where we had known [17:18] that we had gone to her with. We went to the park, we had gone to the libraries. No luck. [17:28] Detectives considered every lead, including one more than 500 miles away. [17:35] It happened 17 years earlier. A young woman was shot and killed walking home from a metro station in Prince George's County, Maryland. [17:43] When something like this happens in the community, does it just kind of strike a sense of fear? It is very scary because Prince George's County is a pretty safe place. County Executive Aisha Brave Boy oversees the police department in charge of the case. I think it's just the randomness of it. A young woman to have her dreams cut short because of a gunshot. Sergeant Greg McDonald worked the case. Where was she found?

[18:13] She made it to this point here. She was fatally shot. [18:17] Shot in the head, left right here. Shot in the head, left right here. [18:19] It appears as soon as she didn't see it coming. Police found her clutching a can of mace, but no signs of a struggle. How far do you think that the shooter was? Six feet minimum. Was it somebody who was almost laying in wait for her, maybe? Possibly. A day planner, credit cards, and work ID were all still in her backpack. That's how police were able to identify her as 26-year-old Irina Hans. [18:49] At two in the morning, two police officers knocked on UK Professor Jason Hans' door. [18:58] I was pretty much, I was a mess. If we catch the person or persons that did this, will it give me satisfaction? No. When you learned that detail about Ella's ex-husband, what did you think? [19:09] I thought, [19:11] Oh, man, that's not good. [19:13] You've still got an unsolved murder of a wife. [19:17] And then we have a wife that's missing, [19:19] who's still really close with the ex-husband. Whether something's happening to her, whether she left, this is going to be a tough one. And now, here he was again, two decades later, talking to police about his ex-wife who'd gone missing. I've got to keep an open mind as in. [19:37] She's lit. Right. [19:39] That's, and I know, that's [19:42] There's a lot of stuff that keeps me wanting to go down that trail very far. I've tried to go down that. Yes, there are things that don't allow it. Jason said he only wanted to help the investigation. Is there anything...

[19:55] We can do more. And, you know, it's not comfortable to sit at home and not do anything at this point. Oh, I know. Meanwhile, police turn to someone else close to Ella, her son. The more they learn about Philip, I think he's definitely somebody that we would want to look into. [20:10] What was it about Philip that made you say, let's take a closer look? I think him just being as close to his mother as he was and that he used to live there and now he's not. When did you move out? [20:27] A couple months back. [20:29] But we've also come back. Like me and my girlfriend come back and like stay a couple, three weeks, not too long ago, maybe three weeks ago or something like that. [20:40] or any number of questions. Did Ella ask him to leave? Yeah. Was he there too long? Did he overstay his welcome? I was actually planning to move back in, um... [20:51] this Sunday when the line time I spoke to her was. The three men were giving investigators a lot to ponder. An ex-husband with a past, a son who couldn't pull away, and a husband who would keep drawing attention to himself. What's wrong? Okay. Is everything okay with you?

[21:26] After more than a week with no word from Ella, police concluded she must have been the victim of foul play. But they didn't know what happened or who was responsible. Initially, yeah. [21:37] Everybody was on her radar. That included Ella's son, Phillip. But he insisted he had a great relationship with his mom. And he knew she would never leave her young son, Alex. I know something happened and that's why I've been crying all day and I'm trying to keep... I understand. I understand what it was literally. Both Phillip and Ella's ex-husband Jason said they were with other people in another town when Ella went missing and those alibis checked out. Jason also said he did not have an affair with Ella. [22:07] that he did and also learned Jason was never a suspect in his first wife's murder. [22:14] we were able to substantiate all of it. [22:17] So you talk to Jason. [22:18] You talk to Philip. [22:19] You'd clear them both. Yes. [22:22] That's right. Philip was adamant that they needed to take a second look at his mother's current husband, Glenn. She's told me numerous times that if she ever goes missing... [22:33] that she would never, ever, ever do that. She would never just take off and that it's not an accident, anything like that happens, that it's him. [22:41] 100%. The detective was ready to take that second look. Glenn's a very smart guy. And you kind of get the sense when you talk to Glenn that he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. Nine days after Ella went missing, police got a search warrant and collected evidence from Glenn's house and his car. And detective friend brought him to the station for another chat. Even though we brought you up here?

[23:07] you know you can [23:09] You can leave anytime you want to. Glenn didn't leave. In fact, he stayed in that tiny room for more than six hours. He definitely likes to talk. The way he would pontificate, [23:21] It almost felt like a verbal judo [23:24] He wanted to be the smartest one in the room. [23:27] Did you kind of lean into that a little bit? Sure. Yeah. [23:30] I even call it my Columbo. Columbo, the famous detective, he would give the impression that he was not very smart, that he was a duller. You've read too many mystery stories, Columbo. Oh no, sir, I never read them. I tried. [23:44] Can't figure them out. [23:47] And that was this detective strategy. Let Glenn be the smart one and do all the talking. When they have that boost of confidence... [23:55] and they're more likely to say things that they probably shouldn't have said. Friend focused on the day Ella went missing. [24:02] I would ask him a very straightforward question. I would say, "Glenn, what were you wearing on October 20th, 2019?" And he would say, "Well..." I almost never put jeans on anymore. I don't wear boots. [24:13] Uh... [24:14] I've just got a whole lot. Close the book just like this. Because you can't remember exactly what color shirt or anything like that? [24:22] I had very recently found my green flannel, but I don't think I had that on. Not only had he not answered the question, [24:29] But we ended up on a completely different level. [24:33] topic of conversation. And never has he told you what he was wearing on that day. Glenn said he went to a dog park that Sunday, and when he got home, Ella was gone. What route did you guys take to get a dog park? Glenn launched into a long detour, talking about a police officer he met at the park. He's in an English class with a guy that...

[24:56] is my [24:57] former office mate, and the reason that that's especially ridiculous is that he was the guy that claimed [25:03] the, that, or the [25:05] Booey. In case you forgot, the question was, what route did you take to the dog park? And you're just sitting back letting him do all of this. I was letting him talk. He's giving you a dissertation. Yeah. He would veer off. [25:18] the conversation. It was just, it was weird. It was a quirky interview, but useful, and created a detailed record to investigate. And a lot of what Glenn described did check out. We drove to the dog park, and it's two minutes away or something. Surveillance cameras confirmed Glenn was at the dog park that Sunday. That was important for the investigation, but the rest of what Glenn said about that visit and his dog just felt like too much. [25:48] You've never been in part as a new dog, Clark. Sure. Well, we got this new dog by all us running over. One thing was clear after Detective Friend's marathon conversation. Glenn's behavior was odd. But odd isn't a crime. And Glenn was sticking to his story that he had nothing to do with Ella's disappearance. What could have happened to her? I just don't know. [26:13] I just don't know. Investigators were stuck too, awaiting results from the crime lab on that evidence taken during the search. And that's where things stood when a call came in to the Richmond PD that seemed to have nothing to do with the case.

[26:27] We get a call for a suspicious male that is approaching females at the park, and the females thought it was creepy, so they called 911. That guy turned out to be Glenn. An officer's body camera captured the scene. What's going on? Glenn, what's going on today? [26:49] Nothing. I don't want to shake hands, sir. [26:53] He was aggressively and insistently trying to flirt with females at the dog park. Hitting on women when your wife is missing? What was going on? What's wrong? Okay. Is everything okay with you? I'm okay. Any of the reasons why you're on your knees right now? No, I'm sorry. I'm a teacher, so... [27:13] I get down to talk to students. Really? Dropping to your knees might make sense for a kindergarten teacher. Glenn taught college students. It completely crumbles. [27:25] He falls to his knees. He goes, "Yeah, no, I normally do this." The officer said, "No, [27:30] What? [27:31] What are you talking about? I mean, since I've gotten here, the most odd thing is you getting down on your knees. I'm a teacher. I just... They're down there. I'm tall. They're in a chair. Okay. I'm shorter than you, but I don't feel like you need to get me on your knees to... No. You're... [27:47] address me with anything right sir thank you I'll do a fist bump how's that [27:52] "It is very, very bizarre." "What's wrong?" Glenn denied harassing anyone and wasn't arrested. But his interaction with the officer was bizarre and suspicious.

[28:03] - Still, Detective Friend needed more than suspicions to prove Glenn had something to do with Ella's disappearance. And he would get much more, in a most unusual way, from Ella herself. - She had a secret recorder app [28:19] on her phone. You're a monster. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done with you. [28:49] TheSameMonday.com with an easy and intuitive setup. Go to Monday.com and try it for free. Yes, TheSameMonday.com. [28:58] Yo, it's Jay Uso from WWE. And I'm Jimmy Uso. Chumba Casino and WWE are hyped for the biggest event of the summer. Summer Slam. I know. I can't wait. There's nothing better to do while we're waiting than playing Chumba Casino. Sign up today and you can win a VIP experience. With Chumba Casino and with WWE for Summer Slam. So what are you waiting for? Play Chumba Casino and enter for your chance to win. Let's Chumba. Only available in permitted states. No purchase necessary. See terms and conditions for details. VGW group. [29:28] by Jump in Casino. [29:29] July means you're halfway through the year, but there's still time to reach your 2026 wellness goals with half off an annual subscription to the Start Today app. Hi, everyone. I'm Joy Bauer, the Today Show's nutrition expert. And as part of the Start Today family, we offer easy to follow meal and fitness plans. And we support you with simple, realistic tools that keep you inspired to reach your goals. Go to today.com slash start and download now because it's never too late to start today.

[29:59] renews each year at $65.99 plus taxes and fees until canceled. Offer ends July 31st, 2026. Prices subject to change. Visit today.com slash start for full offer terms and details. [30:11] you [30:20] The incident in the park was as strange as it was suspicious. Everything okay? Any reason why you're on your knees right now? I'm a teacher, so I get down to talk to students. And like the growing list of evidence, it led police to look at Glyn Jackson as the prime suspect in his wife's disappearance. Remember that Skype call Glyn said Ella made? [30:42] actually did have about [30:44] an hour 45 minute long skype conversation with her family member but when the detective reached out to ella's family in russia they said she wasn't there and they gave a very different version of the conversation did they talk about uber motel 6 airport passport [31:02] No. [31:03] None of those four things came up. None of those four things came up. It looked like Glenn was caught in a lie, spun to make officers believe Ella did run away. [31:13] Other evidence painted an ugly picture of Glenn. [31:17] You find a notebook. [31:18] And you come to find out it's her diary. That's right. [31:21] We find that in her bedroom and it's kind of, [31:24] Hidden. [31:26] A diary with just one very disturbing entry. She had wrote how scared she was of Glenn. She called him a pathological liar.

[31:37] and a narcissist, [31:38] A sociopath? I mean, I'm just stunned by that. In this whole diary, there's only one entry. [31:44] And it's just detailing how terrified she is of her husband. That's right. Like she was leaving clues for someone to, if necessary, find later. Yeah. Ella's phone revealed even more clues she left behind. She had a secret recorder app. [32:05] on her phone that she had downloaded on her phone. There was about [32:10] 70 or 75 different recordings on that app. [32:14] And most of them were... [32:16] arguments that she had had with Glenn. Wow. In one of the arguments, Ella accused Glenn of having a tryst at a hotel. [32:24] You ended up going then, having the dinner, and then checking into the hotel with the woman. I will divorce you. I want you to be truthful. I'm being truthful. I will divorce you. I will actually divorce you. So you hear this. [32:41] I mean, immediately, are you thinking, okay, [32:43] I've caught him in a lie. Absolutely. [32:46] Yep. [32:47] Point number one. [32:48] He was very specific to the truth. [32:51] to... [32:52] tell me that their marriage was great. Dozens of conversations recorded over several months clearly showed not only was this marriage not great, it was downright toxic. You are mean. Yes, you're a monster. You are destroying me physically and mentally every single day. You just injured me. I have no.

[33:16] Bruises. Another piece of evidence, "Ella's Fitbit," found at the house, [33:23] It recorded, among other things, her heart rate on the day she went missing. [33:27] 6.15 p.m. [33:30] That evening on Sunday, she had a... [33:34] Brief. [33:36] and sudden... [33:38] heart rate spike after a few minutes. [33:42] of [33:43] a high heart rate, [33:45] The biometric data [33:47] went blank. [33:49] It stopped. It stopped. [33:50] What does that show? Well, you can interpret that as Ella taking off her Fitbit. Another way you can interpret that as Ella, [33:59] loss of biometric data. [34:01] is she didn't have a heart rate. - That her heart stopped. - Her heart stopped. - Glenn said he was at the dog park at 6:15 that evening. Detective Friend wasn't buying it. - We knew that was a lie because I had gotten surveillance [34:16] from around the neighborhood showing when he actually went to the dog park. Glenn was at that [34:22] at the house at that time. Detective Friend had built a circumstantial case, but he still didn't have news from the crime lab about evidence taken months earlier during the search of Glenn's house and car. So he waited and waited. You all were sitting on waiting on pins and needles for this to come back. That had to have felt like an eternity. It was. [34:45] Yep, it did. [34:46] It was a long time. Six months after Ella disappeared, the detective called Glenn in for another interview. It was different than the original six-hour-long interview.

[34:57] Different tone. Different tone. It was more confrontational. The Colombo Act is over. [35:03] Because up until this point, I wanted him to believe I was just this bumbling idiot that, [35:09] of a detective. He had never talked to the real detective friend before. And he met you that day? He met me that day. She's dead and she's not coming back. I don't know that she is. Yes, you do, Glenn. The detective told Glenn about Ella's secret recordings. Turn my little laptop around. Well, let's listen to him, Glenn. You brought out the receipts. I brought the receipts. That's right. You're a mean. Yes, you're a monster. You're a monster. [35:32] He's getting me to believe, oh, she was just joking. That was just a joke. She meant it just like, you know, a daddy monster. Uh-huh. It's that intellectual karate match. He still thinks he can outwit me. So every time... [35:46] that he tries to lie or manipulate, I cut him off and say, "No, Glenn, no." [35:52] No, I'm not going to let you do that. Stop. Stop. Enough with it. Stop it. [36:00] We are so far beyond you trying to lie anymore. I said that to him. [36:08] I know [36:09] that you're responsible for your life stuff. [36:12] So, [36:13] We're not playing around anymore. [36:15] Friend repeatedly pushed Glenn to confess, to tell the truth for his son Alex's sake. Are you going to let him go throughout his entire life? [36:25] without knowing the truth about what happened to his mother. [36:27] This is the time where you tell me the truth.

[36:30] with [36:31] what actually happened to Ella. Friend pushed for hours, but there was no confession, at least not to him. He says, I bet you didn't think I was that evil. What did you say? I just kind of was flabbergasted and just kind of in shock. [37:00] - The interview was tense, combative. Detective Friend already had Glenn on the defensive. Then the detective hit him with a piece of evidence from the crime lab report that had just come in, and it was a game changer. - I know there was bloodshed. I know there was bloodshed. - Why? - Ella shed her blood. - 'Cause we found her blood. [37:21] Friend spelled it all out in detail. DNA testing showed Ella's blood was in the trunk of Glenn's car, and someone had tried to clean it up with bleach. So we know 100% that that was Ella's blood. Then you know more than I do. There was a struggle. We know that there was bloodshed. [37:47] But there was there was [37:50] There was one. [37:52] But I've never hurt anyone physically. [37:55] Stop, Glenn. [37:57] It's enough. [37:59] We're done. [38:00] What are you thinking in that moment?

[38:01] I'm thinking that [38:03] It's time... [38:05] that he's arrested. The jig is up and you know the jig is up. You are being arrested today and you will be transported to the Madison County Detention Center. That's going to happen. [38:15] Glenn Jackson was charged with murder, even though Ella's body had never been found. That could have been a problem for prosecutors. [38:24] But just four days after Glenn's arrest, a group of mushroom hunters stumbled upon human remains in a forest about an hour from Glenn's home. Dental records confirmed it was Ella. [38:39] The not knowing you think in the moment is the worst pain. Because even in the waiting, you could still have hope. You had hope. There was still hope. [38:49] Thank you. [38:50] And now that's gone. [38:52] And now there's just this deep sadness. [38:56] Thank you. [38:57] That just never leaves. [39:01] When Glenn's friend Joe Hamm learned Ella's body had been found, it forced him to reckon with a shocking conversation he'd had with Glenn. It happened months earlier. Joe and his daughter were visiting Glenn and Alex. The kids were inside playing when Glenn pulled Joe aside. He just looks at me and just point blank says that I effing killed her. I bet you didn't think I was that evil. [39:25] He says this to you? Yeah. I just kind of was flabbergasted and just kind of... [39:29] In shock. After he told you, I mean, there were months that went by before he was arrested. Why didn't you call an investigator? Because...

[39:37] She was still technically missing. And I didn't know if he was just having like some kind of complex situation. [39:43] post-traumatic stress disorder from his wife missing. You know what I mean? You didn't know if this was a real confession or not. Yeah, that's exactly right. [39:51] After pleading not guilty, Glenn was released on bond. [39:57] He then spent more than five years under house arrest awaiting trial. Ella's friend Dana couldn't believe it. I don't understand it. Someone needs to start asking questions on that one. Why do you think that he was able to spend so much time on house arrest? [40:13] good lawyer. [40:14] - All right, good morning, everybody. I'm Judge Mayer. - Then, just days before his trial was set to begin, [40:19] Jackson took an Alford plea, acknowledging there was enough evidence to convict him, but not admitting guilt. [40:27] Detective Friend was outraged. Either... [40:31] Take it to trial and let him be acquitted or convicted. [40:34] But having this [40:36] red tape loophole. Oh, I'll plead kind of guilty, but I'm not going to admit to anything. I mean, that's that's that's ludicrous. What is happening here is not truly justice for others. To guarantee Glenn didn't walk free, the prosecutor said she agreed to the deal for one person. [40:57] I think it is the one thing that Ella would have wanted most of all, and that is that Alexander would never be subject to Mr. Jackson again. In May of 2026, Glenn was sentenced for manslaughter, abuse of a corpse and tampering with evidence.

[41:21] - Alderman concurrent for a 14-year total sentence. [41:26] - 14 years. [41:27] With credit for time served, Glenn could be out as early as 2032. [41:32] He and his attorney declined our request for an interview. [41:37] He's getting a very lenient sentence. [41:41] for never expressing remorse and, [41:43] never admitting what he did. In fact, lying for years, [41:48] about what he did because he was comfortable sitting at home, it's frustrating. [41:54] Is it hard for you coming here knowing? The house where Glenn, Ella, and their son Alex lived had become run down and overgrown. [42:05] Jason told us how much it meant to Ella. When she first moved in here, she was sending me pictures and she just loved it. She loved the trees, the nature, the yard. I'm so struck just looking around here. [42:16] I see shadows of a sweet childhood for Alex. This play place [42:23] equipment over there. [42:25] where he could have fun as a kid. [42:28] Alex. After his father was arrested, it wasn't clear what would happen to him. [42:37] That's when Jason turned to his wife, Natalia. [42:41] we were thinking more about [42:42] Alex? Like, where he's gonna go? Having no children of their own, they decided to take Alex in until they could find a permanent home. He came to us

[42:54] So calm. Perfect. Respectful. Intelligent. [43:02] And that's when a bright light suddenly filled a black hole. When he came to our house, [43:08] before we won't love with him. [43:12] The couple is adopting Alex, [43:14] Now 12 years old and a top student, [43:18] He asked us not to show what he looks like today [43:21] But he did want to share one of the only keepsakes he has from his mom. [43:25] Her favorite necklace. [43:27] My mom mattered. [43:29] her life mattered. Back when his dad was sentenced, Alex decided not to go to the hearing. [43:37] Instead, he sent this recording that was played in court. [43:50] I didn't know my mom had been taken from me forever. [43:53] What do you want him to know about his mom? [43:55] I want him to know how much she loved him. [44:00] how much happiness I saw in her. [44:02] after he was born. - He he he! - She should have been here to watch me grow up. She should have been here for my childhood, my teenage years, [44:18] in the future. [44:23] Amen.

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